In article , Tom
Anderson writes
I should mention that the tube data was lifted wholesale from CULG; i
really should have asked Clive permission before posting this.
Apologies Clive. I'll ask you properly, and add whatever attribution
you like, before i post it properly.

That's okay.

So long as there's a proper acknowledgement and link to CULG, that's
fine.

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In article , Roland Perry
writes
The DLR also does two right-angle bends either side of Heron Quays.

I don't think so! It's straight from West India Quay to Heron Quays,
though there's a right-angle bend south of the latter.

* There is cross-plaform interchange between the Northern Line
branches at Kennington.
I think the City branch of the Northern Line goes west of Mornington
Crescent.

Well west.

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In article . com, MIG
writes
Victoria Line and City branch of the Northern Line do have cross-platform
interchange at Euston.
[...]
They probably did it that one on the assumption that someone was more
likely to want to change northbound - northbound (eg Green Park to
Tufnell Park) or southbound - southbound (eg Highbury to Angel
[dubious]).

Before the Victoria Line was built, the CX branch saw a *lot* more
traffic than the Bank branch, because of people from the north
travelling to the West End (the City wasn't such a big attractor of
commuters back then). Therefore the easy interchange to the Victoria
Line was put on the Bank branch to even out the flows, and the Warren
Street interchange on the CX branch is deliberately less convenient (it
nearly got omitted entirely).

The layout of the interchange is presumably the reason why the
Victoria Line runs "wrong way" from Warren Street to Kings Cross
(inclusive).

Correct. There wasn't room to fix it any closer.

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On Tue, 8 May 2007, Roland Perry wrote:

In message .com, at
02:12:40 on Tue, 8 May 2007, alex_t remarked:

Maybe needs a suitable symbol, rather than being completely missing.

Well, it is closed anyway - you can use it. So why show it?

So people can plan their future journeys for when it reopens,

?!?!

When it reopens, there'll be a new map showing it! Do you anticipate
people needing to plan journeys far enough in advance that they need suhc
a map now?

and you don't have much to do, to update the map, when that happens.

That makes no sense at all. How does adding it now save effort over adding
it later?

In the mean time it will help them pick the closest *open* station.

I don't think this makes sense either. Who deals with station closure by
picking the nearest open station? You look at a map to see which surviving
station is closest to your actual destination, and then go to the tube map
to work out how to get there.

In any case, this map isn't aimed at people wanting to plan journeys - as
Alex said at the top of the thread, apart from being for his own
amusement, it's part of a railfannish project to create maps of variants
of the network - as well as his current and disrupted maps, i assume he's
going to draw one with the ELLX open, one with Crossrail, and ones for
various other ideas that are floating around, like the Central line to
Richmond, Chelsea - Hackney, Crossrail 3, Bakerloo to Camberwell, etc.

Having said all that, one of the variants could be one showing closed
stations greyed out - with permanently and temporarily closed stations
indicated differently, perhaps.

Personally, i'd suggest he do the variants as transparent PNG overlays to
go on top of the base map, so he can do super-funky CSS2 tricks. Would be
fun to have a web page with a map on the right, and a set of tickboxes on
the left with which you can turn off and on various extensions in any
combination you like.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 8 May 2007, Roland Perry wrote:

In message .com,
at 02:12:40 on Tue, 8 May 2007, alex_t
remarked:
Maybe needs a suitable symbol, rather than being completely
missing.

Well, it is closed anyway - you can use it. So why show it?

So people can plan their future journeys for when it reopens,

?!?!

When it reopens, there'll be a new map showing it! Do you anticipate
people needing to plan journeys far enough in advance that they need
suhc a map now?

They do if they're buying a house or changing jobs.

On Fri, 3 May 2007, alex_t wrote:

Don't like your Kennington - you imply there are separate bits of the
station for each branch, when really it's cross-platform. Ditto Mile
End, Oxford Circus, etc. I accept that you may have your reasons for
this, though.

I need to "invent" something special for the cross-platform interchanges
- otherwise they will look just like shared tracks. I'm thinking of
circle split in half or crossed circle.

Your new notation makes cross-platform interchange clearer, but still
looks pretty icky.

How about having cross- or same-platform interchange shown by having both
lines go through a single circle, rather than having two joined circles?
This might make the map look a bit simpler, too. Or are you reserving that
for shared tracks only?

How about having cross-platform circles touching, rather than joined by a
stem. A little bit like the Specsavers logo:

http://www.honitonrc.com/images/specsavers.jpg

Or, indeed, the way it's done at South Ken on the normal tube map:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/images/...-colourmap.gif

Incidentally, can i bring to people's attention the following science:

http://www.tom-carden.co.uk/p5/tube_..._times/applet/

tom

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On May 8, 2:49 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
How about having cross- or same-platform interchange shown by having both
lines go through a single circle, rather than having two joined circles?
This might make the map look a bit simpler, too. Or are you reserving that
for shared tracks only?

What about splitting each tube line into two half-width lines, which
then
join up with their respective other halves? So that then there will be
3 circles at Oxford Circus, for example, two of which will have a
light-blue/brown split line going through them, and the other a red
line...

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On Sat, 5 May 2007 23:03:37 +0100, Recliner wrote:

Does the little line on the stations (like between the bakerloo and
Jubilee at Bakers Street) indicate a same level interchange? If so,
Bakerloo - Victoria lines at Oxford Circus is same level, rather than
central - Vic.

Central-District at Ealing Broadway is also same-level, as it is (and is
correctly shown) at Mile End.

District to Central at Ealing Broadway isn't necessarily same-level -
if your train arrives at Platform 9, you must use stairs to reach the
Central (or else return to Hammersmith, use the lifts to get to the
westbound platforms, and pick up another Ealing Broadway train for
another go!).

Tom Anderson wrote:

How about having cross- or same-platform interchange shown by having
both lines go through a single circle, rather than having two joined
circles?

Bizarrely I came to the same conclusion less than a minute before reading
your post. I also think that the Vic and Northern should go through their
shared circle in a north-south direction to make the direction of the
cross-platform interchange clear.

This might make the map look a bit simpler, too. Or are you
reserving that for shared tracks only?

There is no reason for a passenger looking at a tube map to be told which
interchanges are shared-track and which are cross-platform.

Incidentally, can i bring to people's attention the following science:

http://www.tom-carden.co.uk/p5/tube_..._times/applet/

You certainly can, and thanks!

How about having cross- or same-platform interchange shown by having both
lines go through a single circle, rather than having two joined circles?
This might make the map look a bit simpler, too. Or are you reserving that
for shared tracks only?

That's the major problem - if I will put cross-platform interchanges
in one circle, then how would I mark the stations which some line
passes through but does not stop (like Neasden for Metropolitan and
Jubilee, or Chiswick Pack for District and Piccadilly). I was thinking
about half-circles (to the side of the stopping line), but it looks
somewhat weird (especially 'cause it's only for 11 stations).