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East London Railway
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The east london line is, as I'm sure you're aware, being extended. I am very puzzled by one point. The old NLL City branch viaduct is capable of taking four tracks. Most of the bridges have been replaces or repaired over the last year or so. Are the replacement bridges capable of taking four tracks? If so does OK (Our ken) have it in mind to run a semi fast service along the line (missing out Hoxton and Haggerston) as well as a stopping service? After all on the original NLL the trains from Broad Street to Richmond/Watford ran fast to Dalston Junction, with only those to Poplar stopping at Shoreditch and Haggerston. Paula Oh and PS hi everyone this is my first post here. |
East London Railway
On May 23, 10:45 pm, Paula wrote:
Most of the bridges have been replaces or repaired over the last year or so. Are the replacement bridges capable of taking four tracks? If so does OK (Our ken) have it in mind to run a semi fast service along the line (missing out Hoxton and Haggerston) as well as a stopping service? No, at Hoxton the extra width is being used for the platforms, and the replacement bridges are all two-track only in the plans (haven't been to look yet at what's been built). I presume the rest will be empty space. There was never a station at Hoxton before - the station between Haggerston and Broad St was Shoreditch, and was much further south. U |
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On May 24, 8:47 am, Paula wrote:
Actually the original Shoreditch station was on the corner of Old Street and Kingsland Road. The new Hoxton station is going to be behind the Geffrye Museum. Not that far apart... OK, it's only a third of a mile, but importantly is the viaduct there is only four tracks wide, not four tracks plus platforms, so building a station there with through tracks would be much more expensive. U |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007, Paula wrote:
I am very puzzled by one point. The old NLL City branch viaduct is capable of taking four tracks. Most of the bridges have been replaces or repaired over the last year or so. Are the replacement bridges capable of taking four tracks? Previous discussion on the matter: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....320466cb6cf536 If so does OK (Our ken) have it in mind to run a semi fast service along the line (missing out Hoxton and Haggerston) as well as a stopping service? Suppose not. I'd be a little skeptical about the utility of such a service anyway; missing two stops doesn't save you a lot of time, really. After all on the original NLL the trains from Broad Street to Richmond/Watford ran fast to Dalston Junction, with only those to Poplar stopping at Shoreditch and Haggerston. I suspect this was mainly a way of segregating the two branches (Poplar and Willesden), so preventing performance pollution spreading between them, than anything else. Since the ELLX only has one northern branch, it's not so much use now. This is purely speculation, though. Oh and PS hi everyone this is my first post here. Hello and welcome. tom -- Death to all vowels! The Ministry of Truth says vowels are plus undoublethink. Vowels are a Eurasian plot! Big Brother, leading us proles to victory! |
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 08:47:08 +0100, Paula wrote:
No, at Hoxton the extra width is being used for the platforms, and the replacement bridges are all two-track only in the plans (haven't been to look yet at what's been built). I presume the rest will be empty space. Oh well opportunities and the loosing of them! I don't think there was ever much of an opportunity there. There would be no real point in skipping Hoxton and Haggerston - Hackney is one of the main areas that the line is supposed to serve. Even if some trains were to skip those stops, there'd be no need for extra tracks unless trains were going to overtake each other (which there probably wouldn't be time for with just two stops, without delaying the train being overtaken). |
East London Railway
On May 25, 1:42 am, asdf wrote:
I don't think there was ever much of an opportunity there. There would be no real point in skipping Hoxton and Haggerston - Hackney is one of the main areas that the line is supposed to serve. Even if some trains were to skip those stops, there'd be no need for extra tracks unless trains were going to overtake each other (which there probably wouldn't be time for with just two stops, without delaying the train being overtaken). You could run freight on the extra pair of tracks, arriving from the Great Eastern Main Line, providing an alternative to the two track section of the North London Line from Stratford to Daltson. We'll ignore that the approach to Liverpool St is even more congested than the NLL, because that pretty much kills the idea. I went and had a look yesterday. All of the new bridges are much narrower than the viaduct. U |
East London Railway
In article . com,
Mr Thant wrote: I went and had a look yesterday. All of the new bridges are much narrower than the viaduct. Indeed. I think we should be thankful that it's happening at all given the appalling transport record in this country. E. |
East London Railway
On 25 May, 08:33, eastender wrote:
In article . com, Mr Thant wrote: I went and had a look yesterday. All of the new bridges are much narrower than the viaduct. Indeed. I think we should be thankful that it's happening at all given the appalling transport record in this country. Its a fairly half hearted effort though. In reality what are they building? 1 new viaduct and a few new bridges , refurbishing a disused route and putting a link to NR down at new cross gate. Dalston Junction is a pointless terminus and Highbury isn't much better since it'll cause immense crowding on the victoria line as everyone goes 1 stop from Finsbury park. Finsbury was the obvious terminus but for reasons best know to themselves thats not going to happen even though they could still have had the NLL link anyway. B2003 |
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