"traveller" wrote in message
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tim..... Wrote:
"traveller" wrote in message
...-

I got on the bus because i didn't hear the 'reject' sound, it's an
easy
mistake to make. There was a scrum of people crowding onto the bus,
you
have a split second to swipe your card before the person behind you
swipes theirs-

This is a different bus to the one that I last got on.

On that you stand in front of the pad and the person
behind has no chance to touch it with their card until
you get out of the way. It's your choice to do that in
'a second', not theirs.

tim

If you think that everyone queues up, patiently waiting to touch their
card against the reader, you've obviously never travelled on a London
bus.

Why is it obvious (and I can assure you it is false)

I didn't say that everyone qued up patiently. I said that
whether the next person pushes in front of you is
entirely up to you.

If you have a PAYG card, it is in your interest to make
sure that they don't. Not doing so is not an excuse for
missing the 'fail' beep.

tim

What you completely fail to acknowledge is that the driver also has a responsibility to alert the passenger to the fact that their card has not registered. Some do and some don't. I suspect that the driver didn't do it in this case because, like me, he didn't hear the machine beep twice in the scrum of passengers attempting to board the bus.

traveller wrote:
Neil Williams Wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 12:29:14 +0100, asdf lid
wrote:
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Are you talking about a different London? I use London buses all
the time and that's exactly what happens.-

Funnily enough I was thinking that. Indeed, I sometimes keep my
card in my wallet and touch my wallet on the reader, which seems
to work 90% of times. When it hasn't, I've never felt that I
would be causing a dangerous situation, nor have I been barged by
others, when taking the few seconds to remove the card from my
wallet and touch it straight onto the machine.

Well pardon me but i wasn't aware that either of you were on the bus
that i used. Can the holier-than-thou brigade just give it a rest?
The original question i posed was about procedure carried out by
Revenue Protection Officers. If you haven't got anything relevant
to contribute then don't waste my time or yours posting!

Discussion of how to go about touching-in so that you *do* notice the
response from the machine is entirely relevant to the situation you find
yourself in. You might even learn how to avoid it happening again.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On Mon, 28 May 2007 09:59:11 -0400, David of Broadway
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:

For those of us who are colour blind the lights are useless given that
there is only one small "pinhole" light that changes colour. The old
trial on route 212 had a clear display and obvious illuminated segments,
like a traffic light, which were lit depending on the card status. At
least then the relative position of the lights was an aid to those who
are colour blind.

Interesting point. I don't think we have colo(u)red lights -- we have
the text display and a beep or boop.

I've not noticed any coloured lights on the subway thus far - just a
dot matrix display that says "GO" when you can go. (I'm yet to
discover what it says when you can't go, and also yet to take a bus.
But I'm here for a few more days yet, so I'll keep 'em peeled...)

traveller wrote:
tim..... Wrote:

I didn't say that everyone qued up patiently. I said that
whether the next person pushes in front of you is
entirely up to you.

If you have a PAYG card, it is in your interest to make
sure that they don't. Not doing so is not an excuse for
missing the 'fail' beep.

What you completely fail to acknowledge is that the driver also has
a responsibility to alert the passenger to the fact that their card
has not registered. Some do and some don't. I suspect that the
driver didn't do it in this case because, like me, he didn't hear
the machine beep twice in the scrum of passengers attempting to
board the bus.

What you completely fail to acknowledge, apparently, is that it's your
responsibility to ensure that you pay for your journey. If you use a
PAYG Oyster without knowing what the balance is, and neglect to notice
both the red light and the reject bleep, then it's *your fault*. Stop
trying to blame the driver and the revenue inspector for your own
negligence.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On 27 May, 15:52, traveller
wrote:
Revenue Inspectors can tell whether a card is registered but mine isn't.

Its quite simple to register a card to a false address, just make up
one when you fill the form in. In my experience they never seem to ask
for proof.

B2003

Remind us all who said the following on another thread:

'There is indeed a coloured light that you could hardly miss if you were
interested in it, but TfL have never AFAIK told passengers to check that
it changes to green when they touch their Oyster cards on the reader.
In the absence of such advice, it's not surprising that people ignore
this unlabelled light and don't understand its significance.'

Oh that's right, it was YOU wasn't it, 'Richard J.'?! Make your mind up Mr. Self-Righteous!!!

traveller wrote:
Richard J. Wrote:
What you completely fail to acknowledge, apparently, is that it's
your responsibility to ensure that you pay for your journey. If
you use a PAYG Oyster without knowing what the balance is, and
neglect to notice both the red light and the reject bleep, then
it's *your fault*. Stop trying to blame the driver and the
revenue inspector for your own negligence.

Remind us all who said the following on another thread:

'There is indeed a coloured light that you could hardly miss if you
were interested in it, but TfL have never AFAIK told passengers to
check that it changes to green when they touch their Oyster cards on
the
reader. In the absence of such advice, it's not surprising that
people ignore this unlabelled light and don't understand its
significance.'

Oh that's right, it was YOU wasn't it, 'Richard J.'?! Make your
mind up Mr. Self-Righteous!!!

There's no inconsistency. If a passenger ignored the lights through
ignorance, he would still be responsible for ensuring that his Oyster
card had enough credit, just as, if he had a season ticket, he would be
responsible for ensuring it hadn't expired.

But that old post of mine that you discovered (full marks for detective
work!) was sent in October 2005, and the bit about the lack of advice
from TfL is no longer true. Since September 2006, the TfL fares
leaflets have included advice to check for the green light. The January
2007 edition says "Please check for the green light when you touch in
and/or out to ensure that your Oyster card has been validated. Failure
to touch in and/or out may result in a penalty fare or you being
prosecuted."

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:

But that old post of mine that you discovered (full marks for detective
work!) was sent in October 2005, and the bit about the lack of advice
from TfL is no longer true. Since September 2006, the TfL fares
leaflets have included advice to check for the green light. The January
2007 edition says "Please check for the green light when you touch in
and/or out to ensure that your Oyster card has been validated. Failure
to touch in and/or out may result in a penalty fare or you being
prosecuted."

Is everyone supposed to read the small print in the fares leaflet every
year?
--
Michael Hoffman

On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:56:49PM +0100, traveller wrote:
'There is indeed a coloured light that you could hardly miss if you
were
interested in it, but TfL have never AFAIK told passengers to check
that
it changes to green when they touch their Oyster cards on the reader.

That's covered in the instructions stuck up on the ceiling on the no 38
bus. But by the time you can see them, you're already on board and the
driver has moved off, making them pretty pointless. The instructions
should be at bus stops so that you have a reasonable chance of reading
them before disobeying them by mistake.

--
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

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I don't configure peripherals or networks before using them. I have
a computer to do all that. I have a Macintosh, not a hobby.
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