Hi, I recently heard that from the moment of touching in, I have 2
hours to touch out, otherwise I will pay the penalty for not touching
out. Is that true?

If it is, then it adds a nice feature to travelling to DLR and other
stations without the barriers. I can just go to Canary Wharf shopping
centre, buy some stuff, and go back, paying just 1 quid (i live in
Z2). Is there anything that can go wrong in this method? Any exception
from entering and exiting at the same station etc.?

And last question - is there any website I can check what exact fare
would I be charged when travelling between two stations? On some
journeys there is a choice of going through Z1 or not, and I would
like to know which of these applies on the particular journey.

XmaX wrote:

If it is, then it adds a nice feature to travelling to DLR and other
stations without the barriers. I can just go to Canary Wharf shopping
centre, buy some stuff, and go back, paying just 1 quid (i live in
Z2). Is there anything that can go wrong in this method? Any exception
from entering and exiting at the same station etc.?

If you don't touch out and then back in again at Canary Wharf, you could
be done for fare evasion.

And last question - is there any website I can check what exact fare
would I be charged when travelling between two stations? On some
journeys there is a choice of going through Z1 or not, and I would
like to know which of these applies on the particular journey.

Yeah, it's on TfL's web site.
--
Michael Hoffman

On May 30, 8:37 pm, XmaX wrote:
If it is, then it adds a nice feature to travelling to DLR and other
stations without the barriers. I can just go to Canary Wharf shopping
centre, buy some stuff, and go back, paying just 1 quid (i live in
Z2). Is there anything that can go wrong in this method? Any exception
from entering and exiting at the same station etc.?

If the ticket inspector stops you on the journey back they may get
suspicious about what you're playing at, although it's not clear if
they're likely to do anything about it.

And last question - is there any website I can check what exact fare
would I be charged when travelling between two stations? On some
journeys there is a choice of going through Z1 or not, and I would
like to know which of these applies on the particular journey.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/farefinder/

U

If it is, then it adds a nice feature to travelling to DLR and other
stations without the barriers. I can just go to Canary Wharf shopping
centre, buy some stuff, and go back, paying just 1 quid (i live in
Z2). Is there anything that can go wrong in this method? Any exception
from entering and exiting at the same station etc.?

You'll be charged two maximum fares - one for your outbound journey and one
for your return.

If you don't touch out and then back in again at Canary Wharf, you could
be done for fare evasion.

I suppose you're right, but how can anybody know that I am evading?
OK, it might look a bit strange that I went there and then I go back,
but what's wrong with it? I might have just got a phone call to go
back, or went to meet someone at the station, or just wanted to visit
every single DLR station. Nothing illegeal so far, and nobody can
prove me anything, unless they check CCTV.

But anyway, for the most important question - is this time limit 2
hours?

On 30 May 2007 13:19:22 -0700, Mr Thant
wrote:

If the ticket inspector stops you on the journey back they may get
suspicious about what you're playing at, although it's not clear if
they're likely to do anything about it.

Would they? ISTR that the Oyster-checking devices used by DLR can
only give a red or green light and don't have any other sort of
display. That being the case, all they can determine is that you've
touched in validly.

(It's notable that the Dutch Strippenkaart specifically allows return
journeys completed within an hour (in practice up to 1h15) from
stamping. Perhaps it would be easier for Oyster to allow it as so few
people are likely to take advantage?)

Neil

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[Michael Hoffman]
If you don't touch out and then back in again at Canary Wharf, you could
be done for fare evasion.

[XmaX]
I suppose you're right, but how can anybody know that I am evading?
OK, it might look a bit strange that I went there and then I go back,
but what's wrong with it? I might have just got a phone call to go
back, or went to meet someone at the station, or just wanted to visit
every single DLR station. Nothing illegeal so far, and nobody can
prove me anything, unless they check CCTV.

Well you'll have your shopping on you, so that's one way.

Another way is if you were caught not touching in or out by an
undercover inspector. Or if, when questioned on the train about your
anomalous touch-in, a witness stepped up. Or they could have CCTV tapes
checked if there are any.
--
Michael Hoffman

On May 30, 9:35 pm, "dB" wrote:
If it is, then it adds a nice feature to travelling to DLR and other
stations without the barriers. I can just go to Canary Wharf shopping
centre, buy some stuff, and go back, paying just 1 quid (i live in
Z2). Is there anything that can go wrong in this method? Any exception
from entering and exiting at the same station etc.?

You'll be charged two maximum fares - one for your outbound journey and one
for your return.



It may depend on the station and how it's programmed. A few months
ago, forgetting that I was on pay as you go instead of travelcard, I
avoided a blockage at Euston by being waved in through the open gate
by a member of staff and didn't think of touching.

On the train I realised that I hadn't touched in and might face the
penalty.

I got off at Bank (roughly as planned), went via the DLR platform and
touched "in" at the mysterious DLR pads, then went up the escalator
and out through the barrier at Monument, where I was charged for a
single journey in zone 1.

Where I was meant to have been I don't know.

On 30 May, 22:18, Michael Hoffman wrote:

Well you'll have your shopping on you, so that's one way.

Another way is if you were caught not touching in or out by an
undercover inspector. Or if, when questioned on the train about your
anomalous touch-in, a witness stepped up. Or they could have CCTV tapes
checked if there are any.
--
Michael Hoffman

Yes of course, you can use these methods, but i suppose it's unlikely
they would just check andy analyse CCTV footage to check who didn't
touch out, and then to try to find him not touching in. Also, in
Canary Wharf station, there are just so many Oyster readers all over
the place, that undercover inspectors job would be extremely hard.

Shopping is a good point, but you can always put stuff to your
backpack (which I usually do)

Also, regarding to time limit, I found this:
"The two-hour Maximum Journey Time (MJT) was determined when Pay As
You Go (PAYG) was launched on the basis that Journey Planner didn't
quote any journey on the Tube and DLR taking longer than this." -
http://www.ealingtimes.co.uk/oyster/weekone/

That means that I can go shopping or just walk around for more than an
hour for the price of a single fare

XmaX wrote:

Yes of course, you can use these methods, but i suppose it's unlikely
they would just check andy analyse CCTV footage to check who didn't
touch out, and then to try to find him not touching in.

You'd think that, wouldn't you?
--
Michael Hoffman