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On Jun 11, 7:14 pm, Roland Perry wrote:

No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the
platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right.
Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or
straight ahead.


In which case we shall have to defer judgement on St.Pancras Whatever-
They-Call-It until it is finally open and complete - because it may be
intuitive once we have the final solution.

Hard to see from today I agree, but you never know, it might be.

--
Nick

St Pancras Thameslink Platforms (Midland Rd)
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:29:53 on Mon, 11
Jun 2007, Matt Wheeler remarked:
London Victoria with 3 sets ?
South Eastern Side, then, two sets of "south central" platforms, the
"middle" ones where Gatwick Express is located, and then the
high-numbered ones for longer distance Southern services to the coast
which are down past the escalators to Victoria Place.

No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the
platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right.

Pedantically, can you see them all from one point, or would either WHS
(Chatham side) or the escalators up (high numbers) be in the way?


Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or
straight ahead.


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

St Pancras Thameslink Platforms (Midland Rd)
 

On 11 Jun, 20:15, "Paul Scott" wrote:
No one AFAICT - but it is implied quite strongly in FCC's current timetable
booklet, which clearly refers to their trains stopping at 'St Pancras
International' from Dec 9th. It was discussed in uk.transport.london a month
or so back.

It makes perfect sense to capitalise on the International part. FCC
Thameslink will ultimately run a service that takes in Gatwick
Airport, St Pancras Eurostar and Luton Airport - as well as very good
connections through central London (many people still not even
considering it as a good way to get from north London to south London
in a few minutes, instead of - most likely - going around the Circle
line or going through central London on busy lines like the Piccadilly
Line or Victoria Line).

The service frequency from King's Cross to Blackfriars makes it almost
as good as any other tube line, but I bet loads of people never
consider it (and not having it on the tube map probably doesn't
help!).

Jonathan

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DERWENT St Pancras Thameslink Platforms (Midland Rd)
Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:38:27 +0100, Roland Perry

In message , at 16:11:50 on Mon,
11 Jun 2007, Sky Rider remarked:
On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above)
be called St Pancras International.

Will there be any other station in the UK with four distinct sets of
platforms (not counting LUL platforms)?

Waterloo perhaps has three: Main concourse, East (or is that different
station altogether) and Eurostar (even post E* they might be entered
separately). Manchester Piccadilly has two, as does London Bridge; any
other offers for three or more?

Stratford?

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In message .com, at
13:44:07 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, D7666 remarked:
No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the
platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right.
Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or
straight ahead.

In which case we shall have to defer judgement on St.Pancras Whatever-
They-Call-It until it is finally open and complete - because it may be
intuitive once we have the final solution.

Hard to see from today I agree, but you never know, it might be.

No, the plans are available, and we have experience of the location of
both the MML and Kent (was temporary MML) platforms. The entrance to the
E* departures will be in the middle of the Barlow Shed, and the entrance
to the Thameslink platforms is on the country side of the currently
closed Midland Road exit, at the side of the domestic ticket office.

All four "sections" are quite disjoint, and the only way from one set of
platforms to the other is via the somewhat maze-like ground level
concourse.

I don't believe there's even (for example) a lift from the MML platforms
directly down to the FCC platforms; nor as the original questioner was
asking is there an extra "secret passage" between the FCC platforms and
either of the LUL ticket halls.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at
23:25:37 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Arthur Figgis
remarked:
London Victoria with 3 sets ?
South Eastern Side, then, two sets of "south central" platforms, the
"middle" ones where Gatwick Express is located, and then the
high-numbered ones for longer distance Southern services to the coast
which are down past the escalators to Victoria Place.
No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the
platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right.

Pedantically, can you see them all from one point, or would either WHS
(Chatham side) or the escalators up (high numbers) be in the way?

I think you might. But the main point is that they are all one flow of
platforms at the same level. Contrast with somewhere like Manchester
Piccadilly where two of the platforms are in a completely different
place - and the icing on the cake is that when you stand on the
concourse the platform numbers go 1-10, 13-14 [1], 11-12; although I'm
not claiming that 11-12 are a different set from 1-10.

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documen...Piccadilly.pdf

[1] The distant ones.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 18:29:53 on Mon, 11
Jun 2007, Matt Wheeler remarked:

London Victoria with 3 sets ?

On 11 Jun, 19:14, Roland Perry wrote
No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right.
Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or
straight ahead.

Would Edinburgh Waverley qualify? From any of (a) the east-departing
bay platforms, (b) the west-departing bay platforms and (c) the
'suburban' platforms (numbers 8 and 9) you can't see any of the other
sets.

Granted there are the through platforms in the main shed, from the
east and west ends (but not the middles) of which you can see either
(a) or (b), and from a strategic point on platform 10 you can see
through a doorway to (c) - and presumably vice versa.

There's a plan he http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documents/
3691_Waverley%20Station%20platform%20renumbering.p df to help you
adjudicate. There is a continuous wall between 10 and 9 not shown
very clearly on the plan. The recent(ish) renumbering only adds to
the confusion.

Once upon a time (long ago) there were also platforms for the Scotland
Street line at right angles to 1, and I think they were also invisible
from the current 3 sets.

Peter CS

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Paul Scott wrote:
"Sky Rider" wrote in message
...
On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be
called St Pancras International.

Thats why I put (Midland Rd) in brackets...

Paul


And I pointed out the new name because you typed 'St Pancras
/Thameslink/' before '(Midland Rd)'.

St Pancras Thameslink Platforms (Midland Rd)
 

"Sky Rider" wrote in message
...
Paul Scott wrote:
"Sky Rider" wrote in message
...
On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above)
be called St Pancras International.

Thats why I put (Midland Rd) in brackets...

Paul
And I pointed out the new name because you typed 'St Pancras /Thameslink/'
before '(Midland Rd)'.

Ah - perhaps I should have put St Pancras (Thameslink platforms), which is
what I was thinking!!

Paul

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In message . com, at
03:03:54 on Tue, 12 Jun 2007, remarked:
Would Edinburgh Waverley qualify? From any of (a) the east-departing
bay platforms, (b) the west-departing bay platforms and (c) the
'suburban' platforms (numbers 8 and 9) you can't see any of the other
sets.

Looking at the plan, I don't think it's any more separate stations than
(say) Reading. Maybe I need to express it better. St Pancras has
separate sets of escalators between any two of the four "separate
stations", and a quite distinct concourse and gateline for each. London
Bridge has a walkway between the set of through lines and the terminus
concourse, with quite separate gateline. Manchester Picc has a long
corridor and stairs between the main concourse and the through
platforms, again with one gateline for the terminating platforms and
another for the through platforms (at the far end).
--
Roland Perry