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St Pancras Thameslink Platforms (Midland Rd)
Does anyone know if the St Pancras Thameslink platforms (which open at the
end of the year) will have direct access to the underground via the western ticket hall? Is there a drawing available on line showing the position of the Thameslink platforms w.r.t. the rest of the site? Paul S |
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On Jun 11, 1:04 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: Does anyone know if the St Pancras Thameslink platforms (which open at the end of the year) will have direct access to the underground via the western ticket hall? No, they'll be essentially under the Midland Mainline station at the northwest corner of the site. You'll come up from ground level just underneath the current MML escalators, where you can head south through St Pancras to the Western ticket hall, or (one day) east a bit then down into the new tunnel to the Northern ticket hall. Is there a drawing available on line showing the position of the Thameslink platforms w.r.t. the rest of the site? http://www.arup.com/industrial/project.cfm?pageid=5658 Link top right. U |
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"Mr Thant" wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 11, 1:04 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: Does anyone know if the St Pancras Thameslink platforms (which open at the end of the year) will have direct access to the underground via the western ticket hall? No, they'll be essentially under the Midland Mainline station at the northwest corner of the site. You'll come up from ground level just underneath the current MML escalators, where you can head south through St Pancras to the Western ticket hall, or (one day) east a bit then down into the new tunnel to the Northern ticket hall. Is there a drawing available on line showing the position of the Thameslink platforms w.r.t. the rest of the site? http://www.arup.com/industrial/project.cfm?pageid=5658 Link top right. Thanks for that - the reason I asked is that I have seen a few 'unofficial' descriptions on the www of a direct link between the new Thameslink platforms and the western ticket hall - even the very southern end of the new stations seems quite a distance from the underground... Paul |
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In oups.com,
Mr Thant typed: http://www.arup.com/industrial/project.cfm?pageid=5658 10-car Class 319 trains? That's interesting! ;-) -- Bob |
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Mr Thant wrote:
On Jun 11, 1:04 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: Does anyone know if the St Pancras Thameslink platforms (which open at the end of the year) will have direct access to the underground via the western ticket hall? No, they'll be essentially under the Midland Mainline station at the northwest corner of the site. You'll come up from ground level just underneath the current MML escalators, where you can head south through St Pancras to the Western ticket hall, or (one day) east a bit then down into the new tunnel to the Northern ticket hall. There better be a very wide gateline then - at least at KCM you can avoid the gates if you wish to use the nearby LUL station. Damn that non-existant travelator! On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. |
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"Sky Rider" wrote in message ... Mr Thant wrote: On Jun 11, 1:04 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: Does anyone know if the St Pancras Thameslink platforms (which open at the end of the year) will have direct access to the underground via the western ticket hall? No, they'll be essentially under the Midland Mainline station at the northwest corner of the site. You'll come up from ground level just underneath the current MML escalators, where you can head south through St Pancras to the Western ticket hall, or (one day) east a bit then down into the new tunnel to the Northern ticket hall. There better be a very wide gateline then - at least at KCM you can avoid the gates if you wish to use the nearby LUL station. Damn that non-existant travelator! On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Thats why I put (Midland Rd) in brackets... Paul |
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On Jun 11, 5:11 pm, Sky Rider wrote:
There better be a very wide gateline then - at least at KCM you can avoid the gates if you wish to use the nearby LUL station. Damn that non-existant travelator! On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Does this mean the platforms will be numbered 14 & 15? -- Abi |
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In message , at 16:11:50 on Mon,
11 Jun 2007, Sky Rider remarked: On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Will there be any other station in the UK with four distinct sets of platforms (not counting LUL platforms)? Waterloo perhaps has three: Main concourse, East (or is that different station altogether) and Eurostar (even post E* they might be entered separately). Manchester Piccadilly has two, as does London Bridge; any other offers for three or more? -- Roland Perry |
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On Jun 11, 5:38 pm, Roland Perry wrote:
any other offers for three or more? Ashford International - CTRL platforms split the Up and Down domestics. Stratford - dodgy one this - it may or not be 2 or 3 today changing to a different 2 or 3 on completion of rebuild - and I am counting neother LU or DLR. 2 today for certain are the GE main lines and the low level NLL platforms - but some people I think might consider todays 11/12 to be seperate. After rebuild is completed there will be (I think) 2 - the GE main lines and the CTRL lines - and a third again depending on how you count things - the replacement NLL platform group (the low level - I think - is completely gone). -- Nick |
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On Jun 11, 5:38 pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:11:50 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Sky Rider remarked: On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Will there be any other station in the UK with four distinct sets of platforms (not counting LUL platforms)? Waterloo perhaps has three: Main concourse, East (or is that different station altogether) and Eurostar (even post E* they might be entered separately). Manchester Piccadilly has two, as does London Bridge; any other offers for three or more? I'd say London Bridge had three really, in that three lead only to/ from Cannon Street and three (plus the passing track) lead only to/ from Charing Cross/Blackfriars. I think you could argue for Clapham Junction having five distinct sets Platform 2, only for Silverlink via Olympia Platforms 3 - 6, only to/from Putney Platforms 7 - 11, only to/from the Wimbledon direction Platforms 12 - 15, only to/from Victoria and to/from Balham etc Platforms 16 and 17, only for between Olympia and the south Also, platform 1 for ghost trains, but you could say that about platform 8 at London Bridge as well. |
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On Jun 11, 6:06 pm, MIG wrote:
Also, platform 1 for ghost trains, but you could say that about platform 8 at London Bridge as well. I mean 7. |
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In message .com, at
10:06:56 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, MIG remarked: I'd say London Bridge had three really, in that three lead only to/ from Cannon Street and three (plus the passing track) lead only to/ from Charing Cross/Blackfriars. I think you could argue for Clapham Junction having five distinct sets Platform 2, only for Silverlink via Olympia Platforms 3 - 6, only to/from Putney Platforms 7 - 11, only to/from the Wimbledon direction Platforms 12 - 15, only to/from Victoria and to/from Balham etc Platforms 16 and 17, only for between Olympia and the south But all the CJ platforms are next to one another, and you don't have to do any special orientation to get from one to the other. Similarly for the two "sets of" LB through platforms. What I'm looking for is places where the sets of platforms are completely disjoint. For example, KX main shed and KX suburban just about qualify, but Paddington main and suburban probably don't. -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 16:11:50 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Sky Rider remarked: On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Will there be any other station in the UK with four distinct sets of platforms (not counting LUL platforms)? Waterloo perhaps has three: Main concourse, East (or is that different station altogether) and Eurostar (even post E* they might be entered separately). Manchester Piccadilly has two, as does London Bridge; any other offers for three or more? London Victoria with 3 sets ? South Eastern Side, then, two sets of "south central" platforms, the "middle" ones where Gatwick Express is located, and then the high-numbered ones for longer distance Southern services to the coast which are down past the escalators to Victoria Place. |
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In message , at 18:29:53 on Mon, 11
Jun 2007, Matt Wheeler remarked: London Victoria with 3 sets ? South Eastern Side, then, two sets of "south central" platforms, the "middle" ones where Gatwick Express is located, and then the high-numbered ones for longer distance Southern services to the coast which are down past the escalators to Victoria Place. No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right. Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or straight ahead. -- Roland Perry |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:11:50 GMT, Sky Rider
wrote: Mr Thant wrote: On Jun 11, 1:04 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: Does anyone know if the St Pancras Thameslink platforms (which open at the end of the year) will have direct access to the underground via the western ticket hall? No, they'll be essentially under the Midland Mainline station at the northwest corner of the site. You'll come up from ground level just underneath the current MML escalators, where you can head south through St Pancras to the Western ticket hall, or (one day) east a bit then down into the new tunnel to the Northern ticket hall. There better be a very wide gateline then - at least at KCM you can avoid the gates if you wish to use the nearby LUL station. Damn that non-existant travelator! On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Who has announced that? -- Peter Lawrence |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:38:27 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 16:11:50 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Sky Rider remarked: On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Will there be any other station in the UK with four distinct sets of platforms (not counting LUL platforms)? Waterloo perhaps has three: Main concourse, East (or is that different station altogether) and Eurostar (even post E* they might be entered separately). Manchester Piccadilly has two, as does London Bridge; any other offers for three or more? Watford Junction - main, DC and St Albans platforms are distinct sets. Possibly (London) Victoria and Glasgow Central - they both have a set of terminal platforms out in the country relative yo yhe main stations. -- Peter Lawrence |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:26:14 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
But all the CJ platforms are next to one another, and you don't have to do any special orientation to get from one to the other. Similarly for the two "sets of" LB through platforms. What I'm looking for is places where the sets of platforms are completely disjoint. For example, KX main shed and KX suburban just about qualify, but Paddington main and suburban probably don't. At the northern end, KX platforms 8 (main) and 9 (suburban) are just opposite faces of the same platform island. |
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"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:11:50 GMT, Sky Rider wrote: On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Who has announced that? No one AFAICT - but it is implied quite strongly in FCC's current timetable booklet, which clearly refers to their trains stopping at 'St Pancras International' from Dec 9th. It was discussed in uk.transport.london a month or so back. "First Capital Connect's station at King's Cross Thameslink will close in December 2007 and First Capital Connect will move to the brand new St Pancras International complex. "King's Cross Thameslink will close following the departure of the last train on Saturday 8 December and the first train on Sunday 9 December will depart from the new St Pancras International, which will be fully operational from that date." http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...TLWeb%20LR.pdf Paul |
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In message , at 20:12:53 on
Mon, 11 Jun 2007, asdf remarked: But all the CJ platforms are next to one another, and you don't have to do any special orientation to get from one to the other. Similarly for the two "sets of" LB through platforms. What I'm looking for is places where the sets of platforms are completely disjoint. For example, KX main shed and KX suburban just about qualify, but Paddington main and suburban probably don't. At the northern end, KX platforms 8 (main) and 9 (suburban) are just opposite faces of the same platform island. Yes, but the entrance to platforms 9-11 are in a different building to the main shed. I agree it's borderline, but from the buffers of each set of platforms you are unaware where the others are (if you were a complete stranger). -- Roland Perry |
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asdf wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:26:14 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: But all the CJ platforms are next to one another, and you don't have to do any special orientation to get from one to the other. Similarly for the two "sets of" LB through platforms. What I'm looking for is places where the sets of platforms are completely disjoint. For example, KX main shed and KX suburban just about qualify, but Paddington main and suburban probably don't. At the northern end, KX platforms 8 (main) and 9 (suburban) are just opposite faces of the same platform island. Only for about fifteen or twenty feet. There's a wall between the two for most of the length beyond the trainshed. |
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On Jun 11, 7:14 pm, Roland Perry wrote:
No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right. Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or straight ahead. In which case we shall have to defer judgement on St.Pancras Whatever- They-Call-It until it is finally open and complete - because it may be intuitive once we have the final solution. Hard to see from today I agree, but you never know, it might be. -- Nick |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:29:53 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Matt Wheeler remarked: London Victoria with 3 sets ? South Eastern Side, then, two sets of "south central" platforms, the "middle" ones where Gatwick Express is located, and then the high-numbered ones for longer distance Southern services to the coast which are down past the escalators to Victoria Place. No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right. Pedantically, can you see them all from one point, or would either WHS (Chatham side) or the escalators up (high numbers) be in the way? Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or straight ahead. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On 11 Jun, 20:15, "Paul Scott" wrote:
No one AFAICT - but it is implied quite strongly in FCC's current timetable booklet, which clearly refers to their trains stopping at 'St Pancras International' from Dec 9th. It was discussed in uk.transport.london a month or so back. It makes perfect sense to capitalise on the International part. FCC Thameslink will ultimately run a service that takes in Gatwick Airport, St Pancras Eurostar and Luton Airport - as well as very good connections through central London (many people still not even considering it as a good way to get from north London to south London in a few minutes, instead of - most likely - going around the Circle line or going through central London on busy lines like the Piccadilly Line or Victoria Line). The service frequency from King's Cross to Blackfriars makes it almost as good as any other tube line, but I bet loads of people never consider it (and not having it on the tube map probably doesn't help!). Jonathan |
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In message .com, at
13:44:07 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, D7666 remarked: No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right. Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or straight ahead. In which case we shall have to defer judgement on St.Pancras Whatever- They-Call-It until it is finally open and complete - because it may be intuitive once we have the final solution. Hard to see from today I agree, but you never know, it might be. No, the plans are available, and we have experience of the location of both the MML and Kent (was temporary MML) platforms. The entrance to the E* departures will be in the middle of the Barlow Shed, and the entrance to the Thameslink platforms is on the country side of the currently closed Midland Road exit, at the side of the domestic ticket office. All four "sections" are quite disjoint, and the only way from one set of platforms to the other is via the somewhat maze-like ground level concourse. I don't believe there's even (for example) a lift from the MML platforms directly down to the FCC platforms; nor as the original questioner was asking is there an extra "secret passage" between the FCC platforms and either of the LUL ticket halls. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at
23:25:37 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Arthur Figgis remarked: London Victoria with 3 sets ? South Eastern Side, then, two sets of "south central" platforms, the "middle" ones where Gatwick Express is located, and then the high-numbered ones for longer distance Southern services to the coast which are down past the escalators to Victoria Place. No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right. Pedantically, can you see them all from one point, or would either WHS (Chatham side) or the escalators up (high numbers) be in the way? I think you might. But the main point is that they are all one flow of platforms at the same level. Contrast with somewhere like Manchester Piccadilly where two of the platforms are in a completely different place - and the icing on the cake is that when you stand on the concourse the platform numbers go 1-10, 13-14 [1], 11-12; although I'm not claiming that 11-12 are a different set from 1-10. http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documen...Piccadilly.pdf [1] The distant ones. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 18:29:53 on Mon, 11
Jun 2007, Matt Wheeler remarked: London Victoria with 3 sets ? On 11 Jun, 19:14, Roland Perry wrote No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right. Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or straight ahead. Would Edinburgh Waverley qualify? From any of (a) the east-departing bay platforms, (b) the west-departing bay platforms and (c) the 'suburban' platforms (numbers 8 and 9) you can't see any of the other sets. Granted there are the through platforms in the main shed, from the east and west ends (but not the middles) of which you can see either (a) or (b), and from a strategic point on platform 10 you can see through a doorway to (c) - and presumably vice versa. There's a plan he http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documents/ 3691_Waverley%20Station%20platform%20renumbering.p df to help you adjudicate. There is a continuous wall between 10 and 9 not shown very clearly on the plan. The recent(ish) renumbering only adds to the confusion. Once upon a time (long ago) there were also platforms for the Scotland Street line at right angles to 1, and I think they were also invisible from the current 3 sets. Peter CS |
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Paul Scott wrote:
"Sky Rider" wrote in message ... On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Thats why I put (Midland Rd) in brackets... Paul And I pointed out the new name because you typed 'St Pancras /Thameslink/' before '(Midland Rd)'. |
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"Sky Rider" wrote in message ... Paul Scott wrote: "Sky Rider" wrote in message ... On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Thats why I put (Midland Rd) in brackets... Paul And I pointed out the new name because you typed 'St Pancras /Thameslink/' before '(Midland Rd)'. Ah - perhaps I should have put St Pancras (Thameslink platforms), which is what I was thinking!! Paul |
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D7666 wrote:
In which case we shall have to defer judgement on St.Pancras Whatever- They-Call-It until it is finally open and complete - because it may be intuitive once we have the final solution. There is someone on Wikipedia (see 'Matthewriley') who claims to be an insider and on http://tinyurl.com/39g6yf he states that the DfT made the decision to name the whole complex St Pancras International during the previous April (although there are no public announcements of any sort). |
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Paul Scott wrote:
"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:11:50 GMT, Sky Rider wrote: On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be called St Pancras International. Who has announced that? No one AFAICT - but it is implied quite strongly in FCC's current timetable booklet, which clearly refers to their trains stopping at 'St Pancras International' from Dec 9th. It was discussed in uk.transport.london a month or so back. There is someone on Wikipedia by the name of 'Matthewriley' who claims to be an insider and he states that it was announced internally by the DfT in April (see http://tinyurl.com/39g6yf). Another than that I can't find anything else. |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, jonmorris wrote:
(many people still not even considering [Thameslink] as a good way to get from north London to south London in a few minutes, instead of - most likely - going around the Circle line or going through central London on busy lines like the Piccadilly Line or Victoria Line). The service frequency from King's Cross to Blackfriars makes it almost as good as any other tube line, but I bet loads of people never consider it (and not having it on the tube map probably doesn't help!). That's it, though - between KX and Blackfriars, it's great, but outside that, it gets rubbish fast, as most of the trains are fasts, and don't stop at Kentish Town, Elephant, etc. tom -- megaptera novae angliae, soundwork chris draper, push, pull, open, .. |
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"jonmorris" wrote in message ups.com... On 11 Jun, 20:15, "Paul Scott" wrote: No one AFAICT - but it is implied quite strongly in FCC's current timetable booklet, which clearly refers to their trains stopping at 'St Pancras International' from Dec 9th. It was discussed in uk.transport.london a month or so back. It makes perfect sense to capitalise on the International part. FCC Thameslink will ultimately run a service that takes in Gatwick Airport, St Pancras Eurostar and Luton Airport - as well as very good connections through central London This is now a somewhat more emphatic FCC statement as well: http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...?iCmsPageId=77 "From Sunday 9 December 2007, First Capital Connect services on the Thameslink route will join Eurostar and Midland Mainline in serving St Pancras International..." Paul S |
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jonmorris wrote:
The service frequency from King's Cross to Blackfriars makes it almost as good as any other tube line, but I bet loads of people never consider it (and not having it on the tube map probably doesn't help!). Indeed. The other day I happened to be at a Lib Dem transport policy launch (in my students' union capacity) and one person asked about the possibility of reviving plans to extend the Northern Line to Sutton, giving as his example getting to King's Cross. He was a little taken aback when it was pointed out there is a direct train service! |
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On Jun 11, 9:29 pm, Roland Perry wrote:
Yes, but the entrance to platforms 9-11 are in a different building to the main shed. I agree it's borderline, but from the buffers of each set of platforms you are unaware where the others are (if you were a complete stranger). Muenchen Hbf and Manchester Picc both have sets of platforms that could be considered a separate station. The former in particular is laid out very much like KX - indeed I believe they were once a separate station in Muenchen's case. Neil |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:11:30 GMT, Jack Taylor wrote:
But all the CJ platforms are next to one another, and you don't have to do any special orientation to get from one to the other. Similarly for the two "sets of" LB through platforms. What I'm looking for is places where the sets of platforms are completely disjoint. For example, KX main shed and KX suburban just about qualify, but Paddington main and suburban probably don't. At the northern end, KX platforms 8 (main) and 9 (suburban) are just opposite faces of the same platform island. Only for about fifteen or twenty feet. But still enough to stop them being "completely disjoint" (although I accept that from the POV of an unfamiliar passenger, they are). |
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On Jun 12, 12:01 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
That's it, though - between KX and Blackfriars, it's great, but outside that, it gets rubbish fast, as most of the trains are fasts, and don't stop at Kentish Town, Elephant, etc. Eh? ''most of the trains are fasts'' ???? Either read a timetable or don't exaggerate. Core pattern is 50% are 'fast' and 50% are 'slow' - half the trains through KX/Blackfriars all call at both stations you cite - Kentish Town anf E&C. -- Nick |
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On Jun 12, 12:45 pm, Neil Williams wrote:
Muenchen Hbf It was in fact München Hbf I was thinking of in relation to SPI (as I shall now call St Pancras International) as the overall footprint is similar - a deeper train shed in the centre with two wings one on each side. In fact there are more parallels as one could consider the S-bahn tief Bf platforms as equivalent to the Thameslink route, and the U-bahn as equivalent to LU lines - and both U-bahn and LU have diverse entrances and underground passages. München Hbf is a location I know well having had several weeks in each year in late 80s / early 90s commuting through the place in several different permutations depending on which hotel was based at. I would estimate some of the inter-line walks are further than those that will exist at SPI when it is complete. Mind you, I suspect München Hbf will always be better signed. -- Nick |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, D7666 wrote:
On Jun 12, 12:01 pm, Tom Anderson wrote: That's it, though - between KX and Blackfriars, it's great, but outside that, it gets rubbish fast, as most of the trains are fasts, and don't stop at Kentish Town, Elephant, etc. Eh? ''most of the trains are fasts'' ???? Either read a timetable or don't exaggerate. Never! Core pattern is 50% are 'fast' and 50% are 'slow' - half the trains through KX/Blackfriars all call at both stations you cite - Kentish Town anf E&C. My apologies. I was thinking of the post-TLnK plan, where there should be 24 tph through the core, but only 6 tph suburban trains. At present, it's 8 total, of which 4 are suburban. Thus, my point that the frequency at the suburban stations is too low to be useful as a tube line stands, and moreover, Jon Morris's point, which you've helpfully snipped, that "the service frequency from King's Cross to Blackfriars makes it almost as good as any other tube line" is also shown to be an outrageous lie - 8 tph is barely a turn-up-and-go frequency, and not what i call tube frequency. Perhaps if you've been unlucky enough to grow up out in the western branches of the Magical District Line Tree, you might think so, but as someone who lives at Finsbury Park, i don't. tom -- Arse! My iron undercrackers have rusted up again. -- The OED |
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