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I heard a long discussion on a London talk radio station about the re-
opened Regent's Park tube station and how it went over-budget, opened
late, lifts weren't working etc - the usual stuff, no surprise,
that'll be Metronet.

The part I'm interested in is the bit where several people said that
the signs for Madame Tussauds had been spelt wrongly.

Does anyone have a picture of this? I put a watch for this story on
Google News since Tuesday and have looked in other sources and can't
find it. Or does anyone know what the mis-spelling was? I thought it
would be classic if they'd put "TwoSwords" or something. Anyway, any
info appreciated.

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On Jun 22, 11:58 am, Jonathan wrote:
I heard a long discussion on a London talk radio station about the re-
opened Regent's Park tube station and how it went over-budget, opened
late, lifts weren't working etc - the usual stuff, no surprise,
that'll be Metronet.

The part I'm interested in is the bit where several people said that
the signs for Madame Tussauds had been spelt wrongly.

Does anyone have a picture of this? I put a watch for this story on
Google News since Tuesday and have looked in other sources and can't
find it. Or does anyone know what the mis-spelling was? I thought it
would be classic if they'd put "TwoSwords" or something. Anyway, any
info appreciated.

Probably spelt it "Tussaurds" or missed off the apostrophe that should
be there (but is never used by Madame Tussauds itself, unlike
Sainsbury's.)

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Jonathan ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

The part I'm interested in is the bit where several people said that
the signs for Madame Tussauds had been spelt wrongly.

Does anyone have a picture of this? I put a watch for this story on
Google News since Tuesday and have looked in other sources and can't
find it. Or does anyone know what the mis-spelling was? I thought it
would be classic if they'd put "TwoSwords" or something. Anyway, any
info appreciated.

My money's on simply missing the "e" from the end of "Madame"

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"Adrian" wrote in message
. 245.131...

My money's on simply missing the "e" from the end of "Madame"

That's what it was. There was a picture of it in the Standard on (I think)
Wednesday.

Ian

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On 22 Jun, 13:14, Adrian wrote:
Jonathan ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

The part I'm interested in is the bit where several people said that
the signs for Madame Tussauds had been spelt wrongly.

Does anyone have a picture of this? I put a watch for this story on
Google News since Tuesday and have looked in other sources and can't
find it. Or does anyone know what the mis-spelling was? I thought it
would be classic if they'd put "TwoSwords" or something. Anyway, any
info appreciated.

My money's on simply missing the "e" from the end of "Madame"

Which would make it an entirely different kind of establishment
altogether...

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On Jun 22, 9:33 pm, Ianigsy wrote:

My money's on simply missing the "e" from the end of "Madame"

Which would make it an entirely different kind of establishment
altogether...

Was my mind at the same gutteral level before i got this far down the
thread ?

--
Nick

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In message .com,
Jonathan writes
I heard a long discussion on a London talk radio station about the re-
opened Regent's Park tube station and how it went over-budget, opened
late, lifts weren't working etc - the usual stuff, no surprise, that'll
be Metronet.

I saw it open again for the first time yesterday morning. Imagine my
surprise yesterday evening when on my return Bakerloo train the
announcement went out that it was still closed. There was some
surprise among fellow passengers, too, followed by bemusement as we
promptly stopped there and gained passengers.

I wonder how the automated announcement came not to be updated? LUL are
usually very thorough about this sort of thing in my experience.

--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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On Jun 22, 1:52 pm, "Ian F." wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message

. 245.131...

My money's on simply missing the "e" from the end of "Madame"

That's what it was. There was a picture of it in the Standard on (I think)
Wednesday.


Bah! A bit of a disappointment then. Still, wouldn't mind a pic, but I
was expecting a little more, what with all the fuss they were making
on the radio!

Thanks for letting me know anway

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On 23 Jun, 07:27, Jonathan wrote:
On Jun 22, 1:52 pm, "Ian F." wrote:

"Adrian" wrote in message

.245.131...

My money's on simply missing the "e" from the end of "Madame"

That's what it was. There was a picture of it in the Standard on (I think)
Wednesday.

Bah! A bit of a disappointment then. Still, wouldn't mind a pic, but I
was expecting a little more, what with all the fuss they were making
on the radio!

Thanks for letting me know anway

What must be remembered is that LU supply the information regards what
is required on signs etc it's there spec yes we know Metronet make
lots of mistakes also re the lifts with new equipment there is always
teething problems and pressure to re-open does not allow for breaking
them in or should that be warranty just like a car.

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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:26:01 -0700,
wrote:

it's there spec [SIC] yes we know Metronet make lots of mistakes

Guess they aren't the only ones, eh? ;)

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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:35:55 +0100, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message .com,
Jonathan writes
I heard a long discussion on a London talk radio station about the re-
opened Regent's Park tube station and how it went over-budget, opened
late, lifts weren't working etc - the usual stuff, no surprise, that'll
be Metronet.

I saw it open again for the first time yesterday morning. Imagine my
surprise yesterday evening when on my return Bakerloo train the
announcement went out that it was still closed. There was some
surprise among fellow passengers, too, followed by bemusement as we
promptly stopped there and gained passengers.

I wonder how the automated announcement came not to be updated? LUL are
usually very thorough about this sort of thing in my experience.

As an occasional traveller to London, I was quite amused to find my train
passing slowly through a closed tube station (I forget which), with "Mind
the Gap" warnings still being played.

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"Tom Cumming" wrote

As an occasional traveller to London, I was quite amused to find my train
passing slowly through a closed tube station (I forget which), with "Mind
the Gap" warnings still being played.

This may well have been Regents Park, before it reopened. I noticed that
when I went through there a couple of weeks ago.

Peter

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I can recount an opposite incident that happened in autumn.

King's Cross St.Pancras, on the Northern Line, was closed for work on the
planned Eurostar service. There were plenty of passenger notices, yellow
warning signs at the station warning drivers not to stop, etc.

One driver did stop, however. And he opened the doors.

Passengers spilled out onto the platform, only to find that all exits from
it were blocked and that part of the platform itself was cordoned off. You
can imagine the look of surprise on some alighting passengers' faces -- they
were just walking as they normally would if the station was open, only to
find that they were trapped.

In the ensuing chaos, the driver had to leave his cab and tell the
passengers who had alighted get back on again. IIRC, some of the work staff
who were carrying out work on or around the platform had to help herd
passengers back onto the train.

After the train departed, the driver made no announcement about his cock up.

I wonder what sort of administrative sanction the driver faced as a result
of his faux pas, if anything.

I was rather surprised myself, because the train had initially come to a
full stop at the station. I thought, however, that the driver was simply
waiting for the starter to clear.

"Ian Jelf" wrote in message
...
In message .com,
Jonathan writes
I heard a long discussion on a London talk radio station about the re-
opened Regent's Park tube station and how it went over-budget, opened
late, lifts weren't working etc - the usual stuff, no surprise, that'll be
Metronet.

I saw it open again for the first time yesterday morning. Imagine my
surprise yesterday evening when on my return Bakerloo train the
announcement went out that it was still closed. There was some surprise
among fellow passengers, too, followed by bemusement as we promptly
stopped there and gained passengers.

I wonder how the automated announcement came not to be updated? LUL are
usually very thorough about this sort of thing in my experience.

--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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wrote in message
.uk...
I can recount an opposite incident that happened in autumn.

King's Cross St.Pancras, on the Northern Line, was closed for work on the
planned Eurostar service. There were plenty of passenger notices, yellow
warning signs at the station warning drivers not to stop, etc.

One driver did stop, however. And he opened the doors.

[snip]

I was rather surprised myself, because the train had initially come to a
full stop at the station. I thought, however, that the driver was simply
waiting for the starter to clear.

When I've been on tube journeys through temporarily closed stations, the
train came to a full stop, but began moving again after barely a second's
pause - I guessed the signalling/tripcock systems at such stations were
designed on the assumption that train would stop there?

--
*** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ ***
Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com

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I'm not exactly sure.

My normal experience of Tube trains going through temporarily closed
stations is that they may slow to 5-10 miles, but they don't stop. I guess
that they are similar to draw up signals in that they will clear if
approached at a certain speed, assuming that there is no train ahead of the
one in the station.

"Rich Mackin" wrote in message
...

When I've been on tube journeys through temporarily closed stations, the
train came to a full stop, but began moving again after barely a second's
pause - I guessed the signalling/tripcock systems at such stations were
designed on the assumption that train would stop there?

--
*** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ ***
Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:32:52 GMT, wrote:

I'm not exactly sure.

My normal experience of Tube trains going through temporarily closed
stations is that they may slow to 5-10 miles, but they don't stop. I guess
that they are similar to draw up signals in that they will clear if
approached at a certain speed, assuming that there is no train ahead of the
one in the station.

I suspect the approach control signals are still there so they have to
slow for them.

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:36:47 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:32:52 GMT, wrote:

I'm not exactly sure.

My normal experience of Tube trains going through temporarily closed
stations is that they may slow to 5-10 miles, but they don't stop. I guess
that they are similar to draw up signals in that they will clear if
approached at a certain speed, assuming that there is no train ahead of the
one in the station.

I suspect the approach control signals are still there so they have to
slow for them.

IIRC slowing down and/or briefly stopping at closed stations are the
result of near misses some years ago involving persons working at
temporarily closed stations being endangered by some trains passing
through at full speed and moving loose materials with the
consequential air movement. On lines without any approach control at
the particular station but where headways are usually short the trains
will often be stopping as usual at a red platform starter but without
the loading/unloading of passengers which usually coincides with the
time taken for the signal to clear.

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Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:32:52 GMT, wrote:


My normal experience of Tube trains going through temporarily closed
stations is that they may slow to 5-10 miles, but they don't stop. I
guess that they are similar to draw up signals in that they will
clear if approached at a certain speed, assuming that there is no
train ahead of the one in the station.

I suspect the approach control signals are still there so they have to
slow for them.

It's actually to do with the lengths of the signal overlaps on the exit from
the station. A train departing a closed station at full speed can crash into
another train without being stopped by the signalling. A train departing the
station having stopped, or crawled, can't.

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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, John Rowland wrote:

Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:32:52 GMT, wrote:

My normal experience of Tube trains going through temporarily closed
stations is that they may slow to 5-10 miles, but they don't stop. I
guess that they are similar to draw up signals in that they will clear
if approached at a certain speed, assuming that there is no train
ahead of the one in the station.

I suspect the approach control signals are still there so they have to
slow for them.

It's actually to do with the lengths of the signal overlaps on the exit
from the station. A train departing a closed station at full speed can
crash into another train without being stopped by the signalling. A
train departing the station having stopped, or crawled, can't.

Does this mean that, on the rare occasions when one of its stations is
closed, the DLR does not suffer from this problem?

tom

--
.... the gripping first chapter, which literally grips you because it's
printed on a large clamp.

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In message , at
09:35:09 on Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Tom Anderson
remarked:
It's actually to do with the lengths of the signal overlaps on the
exit from the station. A train departing a closed station at full
speed can crash into another train without being stopped by the
signalling. A train departing the station having stopped, or crawled, can't.

Does this mean that, on the rare occasions when one of its stations is
closed, the DLR does not suffer from this problem?

No, the stopping pattern seems irrevocably burnt in. Even when Heron
Quays was shut for rebuilding, the trains stopped where the station
should have been.
--
Roland Perry

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On Jun 25, 1:12 am, "John Rowland"
wrote:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:32:52 GMT, wrote:

My normal experience of Tube trains going through temporarily closed
stations is that they may slow to 5-10 miles, but they don't stop. I
guess that they are similar to draw up signals in that they will
clear if approached at a certain speed, assuming that there is no
train ahead of the one in the station.

I suspect the approach control signals are still there so they have to
slow for them.

It's actually to do with the lengths of the signal overlaps on the exit from
the station. A train departing a closed station at full speed can crash into
another train without being stopped by the signalling. A train departing the
station having stopped, or crawled, can't.



I guess that a lot of reasons coincide, and that slowing to a crawl
solves all of them. There must also be a risk of things falling on
the line if work is going on, and at a slow speed there would be a
better chance of stopping before a collision (or maybe swerving around
them, if LU trains have the same facilities as Pendolinos).

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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, MIG wrote:

On Jun 25, 1:12 am, "John Rowland"
wrote:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:32:52 GMT, wrote:

My normal experience of Tube trains going through temporarily closed
stations is that they may slow to 5-10 miles, but they don't stop.

There must also be a risk of things falling on the line if work is going
on, and at a slow speed there would be a better chance of stopping
before a collision

Putting up a hoarding between the platform and the track would surely be
an alternative, and better, way of doing this.

tom

--
sh(1) was the first MOO

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In message . com, MIG
writes
On Jun 25, 1:12 am, "John Rowland"
wrote:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:32:52 GMT, wrote:

My normal experience of Tube trains going through temporarily closed
stations is that they may slow to 5-10 miles, but they don't stop. I
guess that they are similar to draw up signals in that they will
clear if approached at a certain speed, assuming that there is no
train ahead of the one in the station.

I suspect the approach control signals are still there so they have to
slow for them.

It's actually to do with the lengths of the signal overlaps on the exit from
the station. A train departing a closed station at full speed can crash into
another train without being stopped by the signalling. A train departing the
station having stopped, or crawled, can't.



I guess that a lot of reasons coincide, and that slowing to a crawl
solves all of them. There must also be a risk of things falling on
the line if work is going on, and at a slow speed there would be a
better chance of stopping before a collision (or maybe swerving around
them, if LU trains have the same facilities as Pendolinos).

Let's not guess then.

John was quite correct with the real reason. When a train runs out of
service (or non-stops a station) the rules state it must be travelling
at no more than 5 mph at the station starter - there is no rule about
the rest of the station platform.

This rule is in place solely because of the overlaps of the signalling
system. All LU signalling has been designed to assume that all trains
will stop at all stations; there are a few exceptions of course, such as
the fast lines Hammersmith to Acton Town on the Piccadilly. The
stopping distances for the overlaps have been calculated assuming this.
Therefore, a non-stopping train still has to be virtually stopped at the
station starter so that if a SPAD occurs, when the train is tripped it
will stop within the calculated stopping distance short of any train in
front.

This policy is now being enforced by starting signals that are held at
danger until a suitable time has elapsed from a timing point on the
track, they usually go to green just as the train stops. Not all
signals are fitted this way yet, but I understand that any upgraded
will include this feature.

There is nothing in the rules that says a train has to pass along the
platform at anything other than normal speed and, in fact, when I run
out of service, I do a normal stop into the platform and release the
brakes and start motoring again as I hit about 7-8 mph (the brakes are
slightly delayed releasing, so I am actually doing 5 mph before I start
motoring again).
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

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On Jun 25, 1:26 pm, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
In message . com, MIG
writes





On Jun 25, 1:12 am, "John Rowland"
wrote:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:32:52 GMT, wrote:

My normal experience of Tube trains going through temporarily closed
stations is that they may slow to 5-10 miles, but they don't stop. I
guess that they are similar to draw up signals in that they will
clear if approached at a certain speed, assuming that there is no
train ahead of the one in the station.

I suspect the approach control signals are still there so they have to
slow for them.

It's actually to do with the lengths of the signal overlaps on the exit from
the station. A train departing a closed station at full speed can crash into
another train without being stopped by the signalling. A train departing the
station having stopped, or crawled, can't.

I guess that a lot of reasons coincide, and that slowing to a crawl
solves all of them. There must also be a risk of things falling on
the line if work is going on, and at a slow speed there would be a
better chance of stopping before a collision (or maybe swerving around
them, if LU trains have the same facilities as Pendolinos).

Let's not guess then.


Well that's told me.

Still, what you are saying is that there is a rule which always
applies, and for which there is the reason that you have given, such
that any other reasons for slowing don't require any additional rules.

That doesn't mean that there couldn't be any other reasons, just that
there may not need to be any other rules.



John was quite correct with the real reason. When a train runs out of
service (or non-stops a station) the rules state it must be travelling
at no more than 5 mph at the station starter - there is no rule about
the rest of the station platform.

This rule is in place solely because of the overlaps of the signalling
system. All LU signalling has been designed to assume that all trains
will stop at all stations; there are a few exceptions of course, such as
the fast lines Hammersmith to Acton Town on the Piccadilly. The
stopping distances for the overlaps have been calculated assuming this.
Therefore, a non-stopping train still has to be virtually stopped at the
station starter so that if a SPAD occurs, when the train is tripped it
will stop within the calculated stopping distance short of any train in
front.

This policy is now being enforced by starting signals that are held at
danger until a suitable time has elapsed from a timing point on the
track, they usually go to green just as the train stops. Not all
signals are fitted this way yet, but I understand that any upgraded
will include this feature.

There is nothing in the rules that says a train has to pass along the
platform at anything other than normal speed and, in fact, when I run
out of service, I do a normal stop into the platform and release the
brakes and start motoring again as I hit about 7-8 mph (the brakes are
slightly delayed releasing, so I am actually doing 5 mph before I start
motoring again).
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

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I think that a stipulated restricted speed when passing stations is standard
procedure on many undergrounds throughout the world for a number of reasons.

"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
... .

John was quite correct with the real reason. When a train runs out of
service (or non-stops a station) the rules state it must be travelling at
no more than 5 mph at the station starter - there is no rule about the
rest of the station platform.

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Still on-topic (although not for this thread!) but a nice way to end
the week and topic :)

The London Underground Song
http://www.fridaytowers.com/fitness/gig.php

A bit sweary, so not for kids.