"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote

How about scrapping the circle as it is, scrapping the Olympia shuttle,
and
running Olympia-Olympia via the circle instead?

And maybe fill in the missing SW corner of the circle by running a few H&C
trains to South Ken or Gloucester Road.

One earlier idea wass to combine the H&C and the Circle by running
Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Embankment - High Street
Kensington - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Barking.

Peter

"Offramp" wrote in message
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I think a good line would be across south London to Heathrow. This
line, which I call the Charlton-Heston Line, would be coloured deep
purple.

Another line from Croydon to the city (the Shirley-Temple Line) would
be coloured black, and the Northern changed to cyan.

Alan




Excellent!

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Regards

John

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...

"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote

How about scrapping the circle as it is, scrapping the Olympia shuttle,
and
running Olympia-Olympia via the circle instead?

And maybe fill in the missing SW corner of the circle by running a few
H&C
trains to South Ken or Gloucester Road.

One earlier idea wass to combine the H&C and the Circle by running
Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Embankment - High Street
Kensington - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Barking.


Hmm, all these round the circle routes feel 'wrong' to me.

I guess I'm just attached to the old-fashioned idea that a railway service
should travel a desirable route from beginning to end.

BTN

Sir Benjamin Nunn wrote:
"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...
"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote
How about scrapping the circle as it is, scrapping the Olympia shuttle,
and
running Olympia-Olympia via the circle instead?

And maybe fill in the missing SW corner of the circle by running a few
H&C
trains to South Ken or Gloucester Road.

One earlier idea wass to combine the H&C and the Circle by running
Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Embankment - High Street
Kensington - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Barking.


Hmm, all these round the circle routes feel 'wrong' to me.

I guess I'm just attached to the old-fashioned idea that a railway service
should travel a desirable route from beginning to end.

Another old-fashioned idea is that the service should be reliable. And a
reliable service will be much more likely with a T-cup or something
other than a circle.
--
Michael Hoffman

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Peter Masson wrote:

"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote

How about scrapping the circle as it is, scrapping the Olympia shuttle,
and running Olympia-Olympia via the circle instead?

Flat junction apocalypse!

And maybe fill in the missing SW corner of the circle by running a few
H&C trains to South Ken or Gloucester Road.

Are there currently reversing bays or such at either of those? ISTR
there's some kind of funny arrangement at Gloucester Road which might make
this plausible.

Also, not sure the Hammersmith posse will like losing some of their
handful of trains.

One earlier idea wass to combine the H&C and the Circle by running
Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Embankment - High Street
Kensington - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Barking.

I think this makes a lot of sense - it's exactly like the present H&C and
Circle patterns, except trains switch identities every time they go past
Baker Street. The only problem is if you want to go from Hammersmith to
Barking, but who does? What was the problem with it - is the duty too long
or something?

tom

--
Few technologies will ever stand up to the will of adolescents trying
to do things they're told they're not allowed to do. -- Scott Berkun

"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote in message
...

How about scrapping the circle as it is, scrapping the Olympia shuttle,
and running Olympia-Olympia via the circle instead?

The Olympia branch is only single track so that would only allow 2tph in
each direction on the Circle Line!

Peter Smyth

"Offramp" wrote in message
ups.com...
I think a good line would be across south London to Heathrow. This
line, which I call the Charlton-Heston Line, would be coloured deep
purple.

Another line from Croydon to the city (the Shirley-Temple Line) would
be coloured black, and the Northern changed to cyan.

How about the City to Wimbledon (the St Paul-Merton Line)?

Peter Smyth

In message , Tom
Anderson writes
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Peter Masson wrote:

"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote

How about scrapping the circle as it is, scrapping the Olympia
shuttle, and running Olympia-Olympia via the circle instead?

Flat junction apocalypse!

And maybe fill in the missing SW corner of the circle by running a
few H&C trains to South Ken or Gloucester Road.

Are there currently reversing bays or such at either of those? ISTR
there's some kind of funny arrangement at Gloucester Road which might
make this plausible.

Also, not sure the Hammersmith posse will like losing some of their
handful of trains.

One earlier idea wass to combine the H&C and the Circle by running
Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Embankment - High
Street Kensington - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Barking.

I think this makes a lot of sense - it's exactly like the present H&C
and Circle patterns, except trains switch identities every time they go
past Baker Street. The only problem is if you want to go from
Hammersmith to Barking, but who does? What was the problem with it - is
the duty too long or something?

If you want to go from Hammersmith to Barking, you take the District
Line.


tom


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Jane
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http://www.yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk/railway/railway.html

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:07:35 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote:

One earlier idea wass to combine the H&C and the Circle by running
Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Embankment - High Street
Kensington - Edgware Road - Liverpool Street - Barking.

I think this makes a lot of sense - it's exactly like the present H&C and
Circle patterns, except trains switch identities every time they go past
Baker Street. The only problem is if you want to go from Hammersmith to
Barking, but who does? What was the problem with it - is the duty too long
or something?

Yes. IIRC they tried it during the Notting Hill Carnival one year, and
that was what they found.

"Jane Sullivan" wrote

If you want to go from Hammersmith to Barking, you take the District
Line.

You might. But if you hold a Zone 2-6 Travelcard and a lot of time you might
take the District Line to Gunnersbury and then go by NLL, changing at Gospel
Oak.

Peter