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How do you know if the tube you're about to get on is going east or
west, north or south? Does it show the name of the next stop, or the
name of the last stop at the very end of its journey?

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On Aug 31, 10:43 pm, Russ wrote:
How do you know if the tube you're about to get on is going east or
west, north or south? Does it show the name of the next stop, or the
name of the last stop at the very end of its journey?

The trains themselves have the name of their destination on the front,
which may not be the last station on the line. If you're wondering
how to know which platform to stand on, the directional signs are easy
to read, e.g. http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...777/228473.JPG

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On Sep 1, 6:49 am, Dave 2 wrote:
On Aug 31, 10:43 pm, Russ wrote:

How do you know if the tube you're about to get on is going east or
west, north or south? Does it show the name of the next stop, or the
name of the last stop at the very end of its journey?

The trains themselves have the name of their destination on the front,
which may not be the last station on the line. If you're wondering
how to know which platform to stand on, the directional signs are easy
to read, e.g.http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...777/228473.JPG

Of course it gets more interesting on the piccadilly line where from
holborn to cockfosters "eastbound" is actually going north and
westbound is south. Why they insist on doing this when is flippin
obvious the train is going north-south is anyones guess.

B2003

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Boltar wrote:
On Sep 1, 6:49 am, Dave 2 wrote:

On Aug 31, 10:43 pm, Russ wrote:


How do you know if the tube you're about to get on is going east or
west, north or south? Does it show the name of the next stop, or the
name of the last stop at the very end of its journey?

The trains themselves have the name of their destination on the front,
which may not be the last station on the line. If you're wondering
how to know which platform to stand on, the directional signs are easy
to read, e.g.http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...777/228473.JPG


Of course it gets more interesting on the piccadilly line where from
holborn to cockfosters "eastbound" is actually going north and
westbound is south. Why they insist on doing this when is flippin
obvious the train is going north-south is anyones guess.


The Piccadilly Line platforms north-east of Holborn used to be signed
Northbound and Southbound. There are still some signs showing this, I
noticed this one at Holborn for example.
ftp://83.249.8.154/public/pictures/S...6/PICT5134.JPG


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On Sep 1, 9:53 pm, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:
The Piccadilly Line platforms north-east of Holborn used to be signed
Northbound and Southbound. There are still some signs showing this, I
noticed this one at Holborn for example.ftp://83.249.8.154/public/pictures/S...6/PICT5134.JPG

Yeah , I remember those signs :) No idea why they changed it. Mind
you , on the district line a few years back they used to have in car
line diagrams with east on the left and west on the right so the line
was completely reversed to what someone would see on the main tube
map. Heaven knows what the idiots who came up with that idea were
thinking (direction of travel of the train matching the map I suppose)
but common sense has since prevailed however.

B2003

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Boltar wrote:

On Sep 1, 9:53 pm, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:

The Piccadilly Line platforms north-east of Holborn used to be signed
Northbound and Southbound. There are still some signs showing this, I
noticed this one at Holborn for example.ftp://83.249.8.154/public/pictures/S...6/PICT5134.JPG


Yeah , I remember those signs :) No idea why they changed it. Mind
you , on the district line a few years back they used to have in car
line diagrams with east on the left and west on the right so the line
was completely reversed to what someone would see on the main tube
map. Heaven knows what the idiots who came up with that idea were
thinking (direction of travel of the train matching the map I suppose)
but common sense has since prevailed however.


I have also sometimes wondered why the platform for anti-clockwise
Circle Line at Notting Hill Gate is signed "Westbound". The line is
drawn north-south on the tube map around there, and the actual direction
of the real tracks are also more south than west.

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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:02:00 GMT, Olof Lagerkvist
wrote:

Boltar wrote:

On Sep 1, 9:53 pm, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:

The Piccadilly Line platforms north-east of Holborn used to be signed
Northbound and Southbound. There are still some signs showing this, I
noticed this one at Holborn for example.ftp://83.249.8.154/public/pictures/S...6/PICT5134.JPG


Yeah , I remember those signs :) No idea why they changed it. Mind
you , on the district line a few years back they used to have in car
line diagrams with east on the left and west on the right so the line
was completely reversed to what someone would see on the main tube
map. Heaven knows what the idiots who came up with that idea were
thinking (direction of travel of the train matching the map I suppose)
but common sense has since prevailed however.

Handed maps can be useful on lines with no branches, provided of
course that the trains ony reverse and never loop.

I have also sometimes wondered why the platform for anti-clockwise
Circle Line at Notting Hill Gate is signed "Westbound". The line is
drawn north-south on the tube map around there, and the actual direction
of the real tracks are also more south than west.

This is an FAQ, isn't it? The District line is deemed to run west/east
throughout its length, hence the C/D platforms at Notting Hill Gate
are deemed to be west/east not because of what Circle line trains do,
or even because of what District line trains to in the local area, but
because of what District line traisn do over the whole of their route.

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On Sep 1, 6:49 am, Dave 2 wrote:
On Aug 31, 10:43 pm, Russ wrote:

How do you know if the tube you're about to get on is going east or
west, north or south? Does it show the name of the next stop, or the
name of the last stop at the very end of its journey?

The trains themselves have the name of their destination on the front,
which may not be the last station on the line. If you're wondering
how to know which platform to stand on, the directional signs are easy
to read, e.g.http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...777/228473.JPG

The trains quite often carry the wrong destination. Many times I have
got on south bound trains at Camden apparently going to Edgware and
many a time there have been arguements between the driver and the
station staff as to whether it was a Bank or Charing Cross train.

Kevin

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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:13:10 +0100, James Farrar wrote:

Yeah , I remember those signs :) No idea why they changed it. Mind
you , on the district line a few years back they used to have in car
line diagrams with east on the left and west on the right so the line
was completely reversed to what someone would see on the main tube
map. Heaven knows what the idiots who came up with that idea were
thinking (direction of travel of the train matching the map I suppose)
but common sense has since prevailed however.

Handed maps can be useful on lines with no branches, provided of
course that the trains ony reverse and never loop.

Yes, indeed. However, I've noticed that over the past year or two, all
the handed maps have been replaced with non-handed ones on some
(possibly all) lines. Certainly the Jubilee and (IIRC) the Victoria.

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David of Broadway wrote:
Olof Lagerkvist wrote:

I have also sometimes wondered why the platform for anti-clockwise
Circle Line at Notting Hill Gate is signed "Westbound". The line is
drawn north-south on the tube map around there, and the actual
direction of the real tracks are also more south than west.


I think I missed a train last summer because of this. I was going to
Gloucester Road or South Kensington.


That's exactly what I had in mind. It feels just wrong to call it
"Westbound" in that case. About the same as Boltar's example, travelling
from Cockfosters to for example Finsbury Park on the Piccadilly Line and
they are calling that "Westbound" when it is so obviously travelling
south, or actually slightly south-east...

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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:10:54 GMT, Olof Lagerkvist
wrote:

David of Broadway wrote:
Olof Lagerkvist wrote:

I have also sometimes wondered why the platform for anti-clockwise
Circle Line at Notting Hill Gate is signed "Westbound". The line is
drawn north-south on the tube map around there, and the actual
direction of the real tracks are also more south than west.


I think I missed a train last summer because of this. I was going to
Gloucester Road or South Kensington.


That's exactly what I had in mind. It feels just wrong to call it
"Westbound" in that case. About the same as Boltar's example, travelling
from Cockfosters to for example Finsbury Park on the Piccadilly Line and
they are calling that "Westbound" when it is so obviously travelling
south, or actually slightly south-east...

There are always going to be slightly non-intuitive local examples -
consider Euston/KXSP on the Victoria and Northern lines. I think we're
quite lucky to have such prominent line diagrams all over the place.

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James Farrar wrote:

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:10:54 GMT, Olof Lagerkvist
wrote:

from Cockfosters to for example Finsbury Park on the Piccadilly Line and

they are calling that "Westbound" when it is so obviously travelling
south, or actually slightly south-east...


There are always going to be slightly non-intuitive local examples -
consider Euston/KXSP on the Victoria and Northern lines.


Yes, of course, but in the Piccadilly Line case the question is more why
the signage was changed from from northbound/southbound to
eastbound/westbound north of Holborn.

I think we're
quite lucky to have such prominent line diagrams all over the place.


Agree. Compared to some other metro systems etc London Underground has
really good and useful line diagrams, maps, both station/platform and
on-train signage and similar information to passengers.

--
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ICQ: 724451
Web: http://here.is/olof

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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:11:14 GMT, Olof Lagerkvist
wrote:

Agree. Compared to some other metro systems etc London Underground has
really good and useful line diagrams, maps, both station/platform and
on-train signage and similar information to passengers.

My one biggest criticism of the NYC Subway when I was there earlier
this year was the way that the line diagrams tended to be tiny and
hidden away on pillars...

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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:47:02 -0400, David of Broadway
wrote:

But at least someone familiar with the overall Piccadilly line can
understand the east-west nomenclature. As can, for that matter, someone
familiar with the overall District line. But an east-west nomenclature
obviously makes no sense for the Circle line as a whole, nor does it
make sense at that particular point on the line.

The alternative is to have the line diagrams say something like
"District line Westbound and Circle line Anti-clockwise" - which would
also confuse some people, no doubt...

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James Farrar wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:47:02 -0400, David of Broadway
wrote:

But at least someone familiar with the overall Piccadilly line can
understand the east-west nomenclature. As can, for that matter,
someone familiar with the overall District line. But an east-west
nomenclature obviously makes no sense for the Circle line as a
whole, nor does it make sense at that particular point on the line.
[Notting Hill Gate]

The alternative is to have the line diagrams say something like
"District line Westbound and Circle line Anti-clockwise" - which
would also confuse some people, no doubt...

How about "District & Circle Lines Southbound"?
--
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(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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In article . com, Kev
writes
The trains quite often carry the wrong destination. Many times I have
got on south bound trains at Camden apparently going to Edgware and
many a time there have been arguements between the driver and the
station staff as to whether it was a Bank or Charing Cross train.

At Camden Town it's really easy: look at the station headwall:
Green light: Charing Cross
Green light and white diagonal stripe: Bank
Yellow light: it's not going yet, wait until it changes.

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Boltar wrote:

Yeah , I remember those signs :) No idea why they changed it. Mind
you , on the district line a few years back they used to have in car
line diagrams with east on the left and west on the right so the line
was completely reversed to what someone would see on the main tube
map. Heaven knows what the idiots who came up with that idea were
thinking (direction of travel of the train matching the map I suppose)
but common sense has since prevailed however.

They still have them on a lot of the single route lines - I never could
understand why they don't have them on the others as well as apart from the
Central & Piccadilly the trains don't turn round.

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Olof Lagerkvist wrote:

Yes, of course, but in the Piccadilly Line case the question is more why
the signage was changed from from northbound/southbound to
eastbound/westbound north of Holborn.

Perhaps historic as "southbound" would have been at Aldwych, but also the
general direction of travel and the actual destinations - you would describe
Russell Square and King's Cross St. Pancras as "north" of Holborn rather
than "east" but I wouldn't use "south" alone to describe even Leicester
Square & Piccadilly Circus. (And the entire strategy on the tube is to
discourage as much use of Covent Garden as possible so that wouldn't factor
either.)

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"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
...
Boltar wrote:

Yeah , I remember those signs :) No idea why they changed it. Mind
you , on the district line a few years back they used to have in car
line diagrams with east on the left and west on the right so the line
was completely reversed to what someone would see on the main tube
map. Heaven knows what the idiots who came up with that idea were
thinking (direction of travel of the train matching the map I suppose)
but common sense has since prevailed however.

They still have them on a lot of the single route lines - I never could
understand why they don't have them on the others as well as apart from
the Central & Piccadilly the trains don't turn round.

BTW the carriage strip maps are available on the www for those who didn't
know already...

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/4572.aspx

Paul S

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On Sep 1, 7:50 pm, Boltar wrote:

Of course it gets more interesting on the piccadilly line where from
holborn to cockfosters "eastbound" is actually going north and
westbound is south. Why they insist on doing this when is flippin
obvious the train is going north-south is anyones guess.


You are at Euston in a maze of twisty passages all alike. What do you
want to do?

GO NORTH

You go North on the Victoria line and are at Kings Cross in a maze of
twisty passages all alike. What do you want to do?

GO NORTH

You go North on the Northern line and are at Euston in a maze of
twisty passages all alike. What do you want to do?

GO NORTH

You go ...


Never wonder why Mornington Crescent is such a popular game? :-)


Tim.

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In uk.transport.london message ,
Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:11:14, Olof Lagerkvist posted:

Yes, of course, but in the Piccadilly Line case the question is more
why the signage was changed from from northbound/southbound to
eastbound/westbound north of Holborn.

Clearly, throughout the line (except at Heathrow) the Cockfosters
direction should be indicated by Northbound and the Heathrow direction
by Westbound.

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In message id, Dr J R
Stockton writes

Clearly, throughout the line (except at Heathrow) the Cockfosters
direction should be indicated by Northbound

I expect passengers wishing to travel due south from Park Royal to
Ealing Broadway would be amused by the idea that they should get a
northbound train. :)
--
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Paul Terry wrote:

In message id, Dr J R
Stockton writes

Clearly, throughout the line (except at Heathrow) the Cockfosters
direction should be indicated by Northbound

I expect passengers wishing to travel due south from Park Royal to
Ealing Broadway would be amused by the idea that they should get a
northbound train. :)

The solution is, quite obviously, to close the branch of the Piccadilly
that heads in the wrong direction [1].

Hmm, there's still a problem with anyone going from west of Kensington to
Acton Town or South Ealing, though. Better close those too.

tom

[1] Ha Ha Only Serious - flyover at Park Royal and make it part of the
Central, avoiding the round-the-houses bit in southern Acton.

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On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, wrote:

On Sep 1, 7:50 pm, Boltar wrote:

Of course it gets more interesting on the piccadilly line where from
holborn to cockfosters "eastbound" is actually going north and
westbound is south. Why they insist on doing this when is flippin
obvious the train is going north-south is anyones guess.


You are at Euston in a maze of twisty passages all alike. What do you
want to do?

GO NORTH

You go North on the Victoria line and are at Kings Cross in a maze of
twisty passages all alike. What do you want to do?

GO NORTH

You go North on the Northern line and are at Euston in a maze of
twisty passages all alike. What do you want to do?

GO NORTH

You go ...

A huge green fierce Australian backpacker bars the way!

tom

--
Nullius in verba