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Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
Theres been the usual talking heads and waffle on local radio and in
the papers about getting rid of bendy buses again after another one caught fire. Flammability aside I rather like them. They hoover up the passengers , theres usual plenty of room , boarding is easy , they have a nice ride and at the front are rather quiet. A better question would be - who the hell thought double deckers were ever a good idea? Apart from taking up less roadspace do they have a single redeeming feature? They're difficult to board , cramped inside , the stairs are a nightmare especially if the driver moves off before you've finished climbing them and 2 people toppled onto you. The top deck half the time is full of scowling youths at the back, its low , hot in the sun and sways around a lot and you're always at risk from a braindead driver and low bridge/tree combination. I can't stand them. B2003 |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On 3 Oct, 09:56, Boltar wrote:
Theres been the usual talking heads and waffle on local radio and in the papers about getting rid of bendy buses again after another one caught fire. Flammability aside I rather like them. They hoover up the passengers , theres usual plenty of room , boarding is easy , they have a nice ride and at the front are rather quiet. A better question would be - who the hell thought double deckers were ever a good idea? Apart from taking up less roadspace do they have a single redeeming feature? They're difficult to board , cramped inside , the stairs are a nightmare especially if the driver moves off before you've finished climbing them and 2 people toppled onto you. The top deck half the time is full of scowling youths at the back, its low , hot in the sun and sways around a lot and you're always at risk from a braindead driver and low bridge/tree combination. I can't stand them. B2003 I think bendy buses are WRONG in every way, but I have actually met one person who likes them. |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
I like them too. For high frequency routes to areas badly served by
the tube - 38, 73, 453 - they're very handy. On Oct 3, 9:56 am, Boltar wrote: Theres been the usual talking heads and waffle on local radio and in the papers about getting rid of bendy buses again after another one caught fire. Flammability aside I rather like them. They hoover up the passengers , theres usual plenty of room , boarding is easy , they have a nice ride and at the front are rather quiet. A better question would be - who the hell thought double deckers were ever a good idea? Apart from taking up less roadspace do they have a single redeeming feature? They're difficult to board , cramped inside , the stairs are a nightmare especially if the driver moves off before you've finished climbing them and 2 people toppled onto you. The top deck half the time is full of scowling youths at the back, its low , hot in the sun and sways around a lot and you're always at risk from a braindead driver and low bridge/tree combination. I can't stand them. B2003 |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
No, you're not the only person.
A lot of pickpockets, fare-evaders, illegal immigants and other anti- social scum, from all sections of London's "communities" (including good 'ole indigenous chav - albeit with a perfected Jamaican accent) love them too. Doesn't leave much room for the ordinary decent fare-paying passenger though... |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On Oct 3, 10:37 am, MIG wrote:
I think bendy buses are WRONG in every way, but I have actually met one person who likes them Ok , so what exactly is wrong with them? B2003 |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On Oct 3, 10:54 am, wrote:
No, you're not the only person. A lot of pickpockets, fare-evaders, illegal immigants and other anti- social scum, from all sections of London's "communities" (including good 'ole indigenous chav - albeit with a perfected Jamaican accent) love them too. You mean the ones left over after the rest of their mates have gone to sit on the top deck of a double decker smoking spliffs and idley playing with flick knives? B2003 |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
"Boltar" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 3, 10:37 am, MIG wrote: I think bendy buses are WRONG in every way, but I have actually met one person who likes them Ok , so what exactly is wrong with them? I was thinking exactly the same thing. It can't be just because they are bendy, can it? tim |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On 3 Oct, 12:25, "tim....." wrote:
"Boltar" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 3, 10:37 am, MIG wrote: I think bendy buses are WRONG in every way, but I have actually met one person who likes them Ok , so what exactly is wrong with them? I was thinking exactly the same thing. It can't be just because they are bendy, can it? tim They may be ideal for airport transit in open spaces, but not for the streets of London. In general, buses could be a slower but more pleasant alternative to the Underground, instead of which the slower alternative now has the ambience of the Underground (standing in a long thing). But more specifically 1) I almost always have to stand if I use them, because they have less seats. 2) They add to the many hazards I face when cycling. 3) The constantly block pedestrian crossings. 4) They can't legally move into yellow box junctions that have less than 18 m of space beyond, thereby holding up a queue of smaller vehicles that could have done (or more likely just blocking it anyway). and any other bleedin obvious reasons why 18 m vehicles might not be appropriate for the winding narrow streets of an old city. |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
Boltar wrote:
Theres been the usual talking heads and waffle on local radio and in the papers about getting rid of bendy buses again after another one caught fire. Flammability aside I rather like them. They hoover up the passengers , theres usual plenty of room , boarding is easy , they have a nice ride and at the front are rather quiet. A better question would be - who the hell thought double deckers were ever a good idea? Apart from taking up less roadspace do they have a single redeeming feature? They're difficult to board , cramped inside , the stairs are a nightmare especially if the driver moves off before you've finished climbing them and 2 people toppled onto you. The top deck half the time is full of scowling youths at the back, its low , hot in the sun and sways around a lot and you're always at risk from a braindead driver and low bridge/tree combination. I can't stand them. I think they're ok too, don't see the problem except perhaps their reputation as 'free buses'. The modern double deckers are fine, the routemasters on the other hand were too cramped to be comfortable |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
"MIG" wrote in message ups.com... On 3 Oct, 12:25, "tim....." wrote: "Boltar" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 3, 10:37 am, MIG wrote: I think bendy buses are WRONG in every way, but I have actually met one person who likes them Ok , so what exactly is wrong with them? I was thinking exactly the same thing. It can't be just because they are bendy, can it? tim They may be ideal for airport transit in open spaces, but not for the streets of London. In general, buses could be a slower but more pleasant alternative to the Underground, instead of which the slower alternative now has the ambience of the Underground (standing in a long thing). But more specifically 1) I almost always have to stand if I use them, because they have less seats. 2) They add to the many hazards I face when cycling. 3) The constantly block pedestrian crossings. 4) They can't legally move into yellow box junctions that have less than 18 m of space beyond, thereby holding up a queue of smaller vehicles that could have done (or more likely just blocking it anyway). and any other bleedin obvious reasons why 18 m vehicles might not be appropriate for the winding narrow streets of an old city. Ah, so most of the people that you know who don't like them are other road users and not passengers. That is clear now. tim |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On 3 Oct, 13:11, "tim....." wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message ups.com... On 3 Oct, 12:25, "tim....." wrote: "Boltar" wrote in message groups.com... On Oct 3, 10:37 am, MIG wrote: I think bendy buses are WRONG in every way, but I have actually met one person who likes them Ok , so what exactly is wrong with them? I was thinking exactly the same thing. It can't be just because they are bendy, can it? tim They may be ideal for airport transit in open spaces, but not for the streets of London. In general, buses could be a slower but more pleasant alternative to the Underground, instead of which the slower alternative now has the ambience of the Underground (standing in a long thing). But more specifically 1) I almost always have to stand if I use them, because they have less seats. 2) They add to the many hazards I face when cycling. 3) The constantly block pedestrian crossings. 4) They can't legally move into yellow box junctions that have less than 18 m of space beyond, thereby holding up a queue of smaller vehicles that could have done (or more likely just blocking it anyway). and any other bleedin obvious reasons why 18 m vehicles might not be appropriate for the winding narrow streets of an old city. Ah, so most of the people that you know who don't like them are other road users and not passengers. That is clear now. I was only writing for myself, but as a passenger I don't like them because of having to stand, but in that situation I am indeed insulated from the concerns of the pedestrians affected by the vehicle that I am in. |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On Oct 3, 1:22 pm, MIG wrote:
I was only writing for myself, but as a passenger I don't like them because of having to stand, but in that situation I am indeed insulated from the concerns of the pedestrians affected by the vehicle that I am in. The reason you normally have to stand on a bendy is that they've only been deployed on the busiest routes where you'd be standing regardless of what bus they use - bendies only have a fraction fewer seats. And no one who's stood on a double decker with more than a handful of other people would volunteer to do it again. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
Mr Thant wrote:
The reason you normally have to stand on a bendy is that they've only been deployed on the busiest routes where you'd be standing regardless of what bus they use - bendies only have a fraction fewer seats. And no one who's stood on a double decker with more than a handful of other people would volunteer to do it again. Here we have both the bendy 25 and double decker 86 running between Stratford and Ilford on the same route. And I'd much prefer to stand on the 86 than to stand on the 25 any day. |
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Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
At 04:46:41 on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 MIG opined:-
On 3 Oct, 12:25, "tim....." wrote: "Boltar" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 3, 10:37 am, MIG wrote: I think bendy buses are WRONG in every way, but I have actually met one person who likes them Ok , so what exactly is wrong with them? I was thinking exactly the same thing. It can't be just because they are bendy, can it? tim They may be ideal for airport transit in open spaces, but not for the streets of London. In general, buses could be a slower but more pleasant alternative to the Underground, instead of which the slower alternative now has the ambience of the Underground (standing in a long thing). But more specifically 1) I almost always have to stand if I use them, because they have less seats. 2) They add to the many hazards I face when cycling. 3) The constantly block pedestrian crossings. 4) They can't legally move into yellow box junctions that have less than 18 m of space beyond, thereby holding up a queue of smaller vehicles that could have done (or more likely just blocking it anyway). and any other bleedin obvious reasons why 18 m vehicles might not be appropriate for the winding narrow streets of an old city. One of their advantages is said to be that, with all doors being used for both entry and exit, they are quicker to load. Couldn't this be done also with double-deckers? |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On 3 Oct, 14:29, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote: Mr Thant wrote: The reason you normally have to stand on a bendy is that they've only been deployed on the busiest routes where you'd be standing regardless of what bus they use - bendies only have a fraction fewer seats. And no one who's stood on a double decker with more than a handful of other people would volunteer to do it again. Here we have both the bendy 25 and double decker 86 running between Stratford and Ilford on the same route. And I'd much prefer to stand on the 86 than to stand on the 25 any day. I would similarly prefer the 24 to the 29 and the 53 to the 453. I know I'm not alone in that. |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On 3 Oct, 14:57, MIG wrote:
The reason you normally have to stand on a bendy is that they've only been deployed on the busiest routes where you'd be standing regardless of what bus they use - bendies only have a fraction fewer seats. And no one who's stood on a double decker with more than a handful of other people would volunteer to do it again. Here we have both the bendy 25 and double decker 86 running between Stratford and Ilford on the same route. And I'd much prefer to stand on the 86 than to stand on the 25 any day. I would similarly prefer the 24 to the 29 and the 53 to the 453. I know I'm not alone in that. I prefer, and regularly chose when I lived in the area, to stand on the 29 than any of the also-standing-room-only deckers on the Finsbury Park-Camden corridor. Deckers are too narrow for standing and the perpetual front-to-back passenger flow is very annoying if you're going more than a couple of stops. [also at Thoss - bendies have more doors than deckers. Unless you're going to turn the entire bottom deck into doors, which is a bit pointless, then you simply can't get the same passenger throughput] -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, thoss wrote:
One of their advantages is said to be that, with all doors being used for both entry and exit, they are quicker to load. Couldn't this be done also with double-deckers? You've still got the stairs in a double-decker, though, so you just move the bottleneck. tom -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity -- Hanlon's Razor |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Boltar wrote:
Theres been the usual talking heads and waffle on local radio and in the papers about getting rid of bendy buses again after another one caught fire. Flammability aside I rather like them. They hoover up the passengers , theres usual plenty of room , boarding is easy , they have a nice ride and at the front are rather quiet. I don't mind them. In light loads, i prefer double-deckers, because you can sit up top and have a nice view. In heavy loads, bendies are better because they're easier to get on and off, and they don't stop for as long. That's with my passenger hat on, anyway. With my cyclist hat on, they're massive obstructions, and at worst, terrifying mobile deathtraps. A better question would be - who the hell thought double deckers were ever a good idea? Apart from taking up less roadspace do they have a single redeeming feature? No, but that one feature is good enough - 50% more people in the same area = win. Double-decker bendies are the future, i reckon. tom -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity -- Hanlon's Razor |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On 3 Oct, 15:03, John B wrote:
On 3 Oct, 14:57, MIG wrote: The reason you normally have to stand on a bendy is that they've only been deployed on the busiest routes where you'd be standing regardless of what bus they use - bendies only have a fraction fewer seats. And no one who's stood on a double decker with more than a handful of other people would volunteer to do it again. Here we have both the bendy 25 and double decker 86 running between Stratford and Ilford on the same route. And I'd much prefer to stand on the 86 than to stand on the 25 any day. I would similarly prefer the 24 to the 29 and the 53 to the 453. I know I'm not alone in that. I prefer, and regularly chose when I lived in the area, to stand on the 29 than any of the also-standing-room-only deckers on the Finsbury Park-Camden corridor. Deckers are too narrow for standing and the perpetual front-to-back passenger flow is very annoying if you're going more than a couple of stops. [also at Thoss - bendies have more doors than deckers. Unless you're going to turn the entire bottom deck into doors, which is a bit pointless, then you simply can't get the same passenger throughput] Well, I only responded in the first place to say that I HAVE met someone who likes them. Obviously there are one or two here as well who like them. But I really don't. |
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On Oct 3, 2:13 pm, Mr Thant
wrote: On Oct 3, 1:22 pm, MIG wrote: I was only writing for myself, but as a passenger I don't like them because of having to stand, but in that situation I am indeed insulated from the concerns of the pedestrians affected by the vehicle that I am in. The reason you normally have to stand on a bendy is that they've only been deployed on the busiest routes where you'd be standing regardless of what bus they use - bendies only have a fraction fewer seats. And no one who's stood on a double decker with more than a handful of other people would volunteer to do it again. Well I could always get a seat downstairs on a d/d 25 mid-way along the route before it was made "free". Now it's full of people travelling from end-to-end for nothing who would have previously used a combination of LUL and "One" Railway. |
Am I the only person who likes Bendy Buses
On Oct 3, 12:19 pm, Boltar wrote:
On Oct 3, 10:54 am, wrote: No, you're not the only person. A lot of pickpockets, fare-evaders, illegal immigants and other anti- social scum, from all sections of London's "communities" (including good 'ole indigenous chav - albeit with a perfected Jamaican accent) love them too. You mean the ones left over after the rest of their mates have gone to sit on the top deck of a double decker smoking spliffs and idley playing with flick knives? B2003 YES! but on a d/d I avoid them as I stay downstairs. Also the need to pay/show some form of pass deterred a lot. Ken's free travel for the supposed under-16's has largely removed that benefit alas, so it seems TFL gets you either way now. |
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In message . com,
Boltar writes Theres been the usual talking heads and waffle on local radio and in the papers about getting rid of bendy buses again after another one caught fire. Flammability aside I rather like them. They hoover up the passengers , theres usual plenty of room , boarding is easy , they have a nice ride and at the front are rather quiet. You know, for once I actually totally agree with you... Now I'm scared! -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes As a cyclist I hate them. They are too long for the roads. As a cyclist, I have had no problems with them. Then again, I tend to respect red lights, road laws and other traffic (I'm not saying you don't of course, but ymmv). -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:37:16 -0700, MIG
wrote: I think bendy buses are WRONG in every way, but I have actually met one person who likes them. I like them, in the right role. Their role is in a European-style bus system, whose primary purpose is to move very large numbers of people to and from the rapid transit rail station nearest to their destination/origin. That makes them suitable, IMO, for very busy Central London services (e.g. Oxford St) and for the Red Arrows, but not really for anything very long-distance. As for deckers, there are good ones and bad ones. IMO, the latest Wright design is good, but most others I've seen are unmitigated crap. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:46:41 -0700, MIG
wrote: 1) I almost always have to stand if I use them, because they have less seats. I choose to stand on one for a short journey. This is made easier by there being a bit more space for doing so and no need to traipse up- and downstairs. 3) The constantly block pedestrian crossings. Only due to poor driving. and any other bleedin obvious reasons why 18 m vehicles might not be appropriate for the winding narrow streets of an old city. Many other European cities seem not to have an issue. Have you seen those 16m rigid 6-axle single-deckers? Those must be even more challenging to drive. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:03:09 -0700, John B wrote:
[also at Thoss - bendies have more doors than deckers. Unless you're going to turn the entire bottom deck into doors, which is a bit pointless, then you simply can't get the same passenger throughput] If your aim is to have a decker that would reduce conflicts and therefore speed up throughput, a Berlin-style arrangement with a front and rear door (on at the front and off at the back) and two sets of stairs (up at the front, down at the back) would be very worthy of consideration. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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A better question would be - who the hell thought double deckers were ever a good idea? Apart from taking up less roadspace And you don't think in a heavily crowded city like London that this one factor alone makes double-deckers eminently suitable and sensible?? Have you actually seen the end-to-end carpet of red metal that now lines both lanes of Oxford Street permanently?! I am just waiting for a University rag committee to suggest a new sport of bus-roof-hopping down Oxford Street - easily achievable, and far quicker than actually travelling IN one of those red things! Marc. |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:46:23 -0700, "
wrote: Have you actually seen the end-to-end carpet of red metal that now lines both lanes of Oxford Street permanently?! The problem with Oxford Street, apart from just "too many buses", is that both the traffic light phasing and the bus stop layout is utterly, utterly broken, and needs to be redesigned bearing in mind that people can no longer just ignore it like they did on the Routemasters. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Oct 3, 6:08 pm, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
In message , Colin Rosenstiel writes As a cyclist I hate them. They are too long for the roads. As a cyclist, I have had no problems with them. Then again, I tend to respect red lights, road laws and other traffic (I'm not saying you don't of course, but ymmv). Bendy bus drivers don't or can't, unfortunately. I am starting to take photographs of them when they park on pedestrian crossings and so on, showing their yellow number. |
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On Oct 3, 12:46 pm, MIG wrote:
In general, buses could be a slower but more pleasant alternative to the Underground, instead of which the slower alternative now has the ambience of the Underground (standing in a long thing). And in particular, the lack of any view. On a double-decker, there are loads of seats with a decent view; on a bendy, only one (on the left at the front). IMO the view from the top deck of a bus is one of the three best things about not just London, but England in general. |
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Neil Williams wrote:
3) The constantly block pedestrian crossings. Only due to poor driving. Yes but multiple experiences suggest that in general either the buses are difficult to drive for the standard bus driver in London or that they are often assigned the worst drivers - hence the problems with overheating amongst others. Drivers on the 25 have an annoying tendency to stop the bus at a middle of nowhere spot between Bow and Stratford and not tell the passengers that they'll have to wait ages for a driver changeover - the very opposite of customer service. |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, brixtonite wrote:
On Oct 3, 12:46 pm, MIG wrote: In general, buses could be a slower but more pleasant alternative to the Underground, instead of which the slower alternative now has the ambience of the Underground (standing in a long thing). And in particular, the lack of any view. On a double-decker, there are loads of seats with a decent view; on a bendy, only one (on the left at the front). IMO the view from the top deck of a bus is one of the three best things about not just London, but England in general. May i ask what the other two are? tom -- Also giving up smoking (cigarettes) today so apologies if it reads wierd or I trail off into maddness at any point!! -- Agent D, 20051129 |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, brixtonite wrote: On Oct 3, 12:46 pm, MIG wrote: In general, buses could be a slower but more pleasant alternative to the Underground, instead of which the slower alternative now has the ambience of the Underground (standing in a long thing). And in particular, the lack of any view. On a double-decker, there are loads of seats with a decent view; on a bendy, only one (on the left at the front). IMO the view from the top deck of a bus is one of the three best things about not just London, but England in general. May i ask what the other two are? You and me, Tom, you and me. |
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On Oct 3, 7:46 pm, " wrote:
A better question would be - who the hell thought double deckers were ever a good idea? Apart from taking up less roadspace And you don't think in a heavily crowded city like London that this one factor alone makes double-deckers eminently suitable and sensible?? That would be a fair point except that bendy buses carry a damn site more people than a double decker. I am just waiting for a University rag committee to suggest a new sport of bus-roof-hopping down Oxford Street - easily achievable, and far quicker than actually travelling IN one of those red things! More likely the local chavs. We've already had train surfing so perhaps this would be the next thrill for potential darwin award nominees. B2003 |
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Boltar wrote:
More likely the local chavs. We've already had train surfing so perhaps this would be the next thrill for potential darwin award nominees. I was always given to understand that 'bus surfing' predated 'train surfing' but either way, it's old hat these days. These guys didn't use the roof so maybe 'surfing' is a bit of a stretch; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/1033878.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/5042184.stm ESB |
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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 06:13:24AM -0700, Mr Thant wrote:
The reason you normally have to stand on a bendy is that they've only been deployed on the busiest routes where you'd be standing regardless of what bus they use - bendies only have a fraction fewer seats. ********. Bendies seat IIRC 50 but carry 150 max. The routemasters they replaced could carry 60 to 70-ish with *5* standing. So, assuming that each bendy replaced two routemasters, which judging by service frequency is about right, then you were three times more likely to get a seat on route 38 (the one I use the most) before it went bendy. Assuming the buses are full, which they normally are when I travel. However, the biggest problem I have as a passenger with bendy buses is that they cause all the traffic to stop on New Oxford St because they have so much trouble getting round the corners at the junction with Bloomsbury Street and TCR. They also sometimes have trouble at Picadilly Circus, and the entrance to Victoria bus station, because they need too much space on the road. -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic Please stop rolling your Jargon Dice and explain the problem you are having to me in plain English, using small words. -- John Hardin, in the Monastery |
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:18 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote: Another important factor debunking the claim that bendies have greater capacity. Routemasters have 64 or 72 (RMLs) seats. If you could call them that, as they were very narrow and to a very tight pitch. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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