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New tube map
Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on..
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Heathrow Terminal 5m Langdon Park, Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush (LO) appear as under construction. Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" |
New tube map
On 28 Oct, 17:07, Matthew Dickinson
wrote: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf That's great to see. I'm surprised the limited service on some lines isn't shown - I'd want fair warning of having to wait 25 minutes at Blackhorse Road. Heathrow Terminal 5m Langdon Park, Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush (LO) appear as under construction. So a surprise Shepherd's Bush opening on November 11th is definitely off the cards. Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" Tube tickets and Travelcards surely aren't valid*, so that makes sense. I'd be surprised if the Oyster fares are different to Zone A. (* I've just noticed the entire Silverlink Metro network - minus north of Hatch End and south of West Brompton - has been recently added to the tube singles valid listing in the fares brochure) Thanks for the link. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
New tube map
"Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message ... Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Heathrow Terminal 5m Langdon Park, Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush (LO) appear as under construction. LO as in London Overground - shouldn't it be 'LOL' cos of the useless platforms g... Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" There's been a huge amount of debate about TfL fares on the 'Overground' but presumably as it is also still part of the national rail network as well, unchanged [1]) rail fares seem to be available to/from the transferred stations. I guess the 'rail only zonal fares' as announced in the NR fare changes Jan 07 are still valid? [1] based on them still showing up in NR's online journey planner with no apparent fare changes after 9 Nov... Paul S |
New tube map
On 28 Oct, 17:57, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message ... Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Heathrow Terminal 5m Langdon Park, Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush (LO) appear as under construction. LO as in London Overground - shouldn't it be 'LOL' cos of the useless platforms g... Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" There's been a huge amount of debate about TfL fares on the 'Overground' but presumably as it is also still part of the national rail network as well, unchanged [1]) rail fares seem to be available to/from the transferred stations. I guess the 'rail only zonal fares' as announced in the NR fare changes Jan 07 are still valid? [1] based on them still showing up in NR's online journey planner with no apparent fare changes after 9 Nov... Paul S These maps are on the new ticket machines TfL are installing at London Overground stations Hampstead Heath appears still to be in Zone 3 ! I thought that TfL was going to bring this station back into Zone 2 when London Overground starts next month Neil |
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On Oct 28, 5:55 pm, Mr Thant
wrote: On 28 Oct, 17:07, Matthew Dickinson wrote: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf That's great to see. I'm surprised the limited service on some lines isn't shown - I'd want fair warning of having to wait 25 minutes at Blackhorse Road. Heathrow Terminal 5m Langdon Park, Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush (LO) appear as under construction. So a surprise Shepherd's Bush opening on November 11th is definitely off the cards. Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" Tube tickets and Travelcards surely aren't valid*, so that makes sense. I'd be surprised if the Oyster fares are different to Zone A. (* I've just noticed the entire Silverlink Metro network - minus north of Hatch End and south of West Brompton - has been recently added to the tube singles valid listing in the fares brochure) Thanks for the link. Although TfL has the franchise, LO has much more in common with other NR services. I don't understand what's likely to be understood by most punters, tourists etc when they see it on the LU map. It will probably create a lot of confusion, if people expect frequent services. Alternatively, one might as well use the London Connections map and include all of NR. I suppose it's an artefact of the ridiculous situation with Oyster PAYG acceptability. |
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New tube map
Matthew Dickinson wrote:
Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Willesden Junction looks a bit messy, the WLL needn't cross over the NLL and then kind merge into it. The label for 'Acton Central' is in the wrong place too |
New tube map
"Stuart" wrote in message . uk... Matthew Dickinson wrote: Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Willesden Junction looks a bit messy, the WLL needn't cross over the NLL and then kind merge into it. The label for 'Acton Central' is in the wrong place too I wonder if the station names have been placed in the correct zone as well as the station symbol. That could account for why 'Acton Central' is "wrong". |
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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... In article . com, (neil nerva) wrote: These maps are on the new ticket machines TfL are installing at London Overground stations Hampstead Heath appears still to be in Zone 3 ! I thought that TfL was going to bring this station back into Zone 2 when London Overground starts next month Yes, I'd spotted that and was asking myself the same question! I've an idea we've talked round this a bit in various poster's comments. Perhaps it'll change in January with the next routine NR fares changes, and so might the northern bit of the DC lines. It would make sense if 'LO' is considered (as on NR's site) one of the TOCs and changes will affect NR fares from stations outside the London fare zones (the ones TfL call the TfL fare zones)... Paul S |
New tube map
Graham Harrison wrote:
"Stuart" wrote in message . uk... Matthew Dickinson wrote: Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Willesden Junction looks a bit messy, the WLL needn't cross over the NLL and then kind merge into it. Agreed, it's silly. They should place the junction some distance south-west of Willesden Junction, like the DLR junction west of Shadwell. The label for 'Acton Central' is in the wrong place too I wonder if the station names have been placed in the correct zone as well as the station symbol. That could account for why 'Acton Central' is "wrong". I'm sure that's the reason, as the same convention is followed on the current pocket map. The insertion of Wood Lane has caused the problem here. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
New tube map
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:07:17 +0000, Matthew Dickinson
wrote: Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Heathrow Terminal 5m Langdon Park, Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush (LO) appear as under construction. Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" Still has that offensive advertising for a mobile phone company on it. |
New tube map
"James Farrar" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:07:17 +0000, Matthew Dickinson wrote: Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Heathrow Terminal 5m Langdon Park, Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush (LO) appear as under construction. Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" Still has that offensive advertising for a mobile phone company on it. Where does it have the offensive advertising? |
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On 29 Oct, 06:53, wrote:
"James Farrar" wrote in message Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Still has that offensive advertising for a mobile phone company on it. Where does it have the offensive advertising? I believe James is grumpy that TfL have mentioned the only reason why anyone might choose to go to North Greenwich as part of the station's name on the map. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
New tube map
On 29 Oct, 06:53, wrote:
"James Farrar" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:07:17 +0000, Matthew Dickinson wrote: Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Heathrow Terminal 5m Langdon Park, Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush (LO) appear as under construction. Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" Still has that offensive advertising for a mobile phone company on it. Where does it have the offensive advertising? I am suprised no one has noticed the fact that Hampstead Heath is still in Zone 3. I was under the impression that this would have been corrected at the launch of London Overground. looks like we have been mistaken.... |
New tube map
On 29 Oct, 11:19, wrote:
I am suprised no one has noticed the fact that Hampstead Heath is still in Zone 3. I was under the impression that this would have been corrected at the launch of London Overground. looks like we have been mistaken.... I heard from the very mouth of Ken last week that two unnamed stations are to be moved. The original link is now back to the old non-Overground map. Looks like releasing it early was a mistake. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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I heard from the very mouth of Ken last week that two unnamed stations are to be moved. What is the second one? Willesden Junction? Stratford? |
New tube map
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:14:06 -0700, John B wrote:
On 29 Oct, 06:53, wrote: "James Farrar" wrote in message Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Still has that offensive advertising for a mobile phone company on it. Where does it have the offensive advertising? I believe James is grumpy that TfL have mentioned the only reason why anyone might choose to go to North Greenwich as part of the station's name on the map. It's not part of the station's name... so why is it on the map? |
New tube map
On 29 Oct, 14:45, James Farrar wrote:
I believe James is grumpy that TfL have mentioned the only reason why anyone might choose to go to North Greenwich as part of the station's name on the map. It's not part of the station's name... so why is it on the map? Do you similarly object to Maritime Greenwich being advertised at Cutty Sark? -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:04:23 -0700, John B wrote:
On 29 Oct, 14:45, James Farrar wrote: I believe James is grumpy that TfL have mentioned the only reason why anyone might choose to go to North Greenwich as part of the station's name on the map. It's not part of the station's name... so why is it on the map? Do you similarly object to Maritime Greenwich being advertised at Cutty Sark? Since that is part of the station's name, no. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C...n_entrance.jpg In any case, it's not directly comparable, as "Maritime Greenwich" is not a company. |
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TFL seem to have pulled the new map from their website.
I wonder what the issue is http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.gif |
New tube map
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says... In article , (Matthew Dickinson) wrote: Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on.. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf Heathrow Terminal 5m Langdon Park, Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush (LO) appear as under construction. Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" GOBLIN becomes the only line on a tube map not to be electrified. Can't see GOBLIN shown on it. |
New tube map
Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" GOBLIN becomes the only line on a tube map not to be electrified. Can't see GOBLIN shown on it.- The map has been changed since the original poster put up the message! Too many mistakes maybe? Burkey |
New tube map
On Oct 29, 2:27 pm, alex_t wrote:
I heard from the very mouth of Ken last week that two unnamed stations are to be moved. What is the second one? Willesden Junction? Stratford? For practical reasons, I'd say Willesden, as every neighbouring station (other than those north) is in zone 2: Shepherd's Bush, Acton Central, Kensal Green & Kensal Rise. It'll be very annoying using PAYG through WJ until it's moved... |
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On Oct 29, 6:20 pm, wrote:
On Oct 29, 2:27 pm, alex_t wrote: I heard from the very mouth of Ken last week that two unnamed stations are to be moved. What is the second one? Willesden Junction? Stratford? For practical reasons, I'd say Willesden, as every neighbouring station (other than those north) is in zone 2: Shepherd's Bush, Acton Central, Kensal Green & Kensal Rise. It'll be very annoying using PAYG through WJ until it's moved... Forgot to say I think it's more likely that Willesden would be moved to zone 2/3 instead of going into zone 2 |
New tube map
wrote in message ps.com... TFL seem to have pulled the new map from their website. I wonder what the issue is http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.gif Most likely whoever changed the site was too early and was told to get it removed - I wouldn't have expected it to change until the actual day... Paul S |
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"Mr Thant" wrote in message oups.com... On 29 Oct, 11:19, wrote: I am suprised no one has noticed the fact that Hampstead Heath is still in Zone 3. I was under the impression that this would have been corrected at the launch of London Overground. looks like we have been mistaken.... I heard from the very mouth of Ken last week that two unnamed stations are to be moved. The original link is now back to the old non-Overground map. Looks like releasing it early was a mistake. The only item Google threw up about HH moving to zone 2 was a Camden News article, saying it would happen in Jan 08; which supports my suggestion that the Overground fares are somehow related to National Rail zonal fares, as I mentioned yesterday... Paul S |
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I go through Watford junction station most work days. They have
installed Oyster readers (up to the silverlink county platforms), however they do not work yet. Looks like Oyster will be used as far as Watford junction. I expect that the oyster cards will be only valid on LO services not London Midland (the new TOC that takes over from Silverlink and Central). This will cause lots of ticket inspectors to rub their hands in glee. Most people come to Watford on a travel card (Met, junction and town) and wonder why their travel card/oyster doesn't work. It is horrid to see someone rubbing their card on the barrier and the barrier guard swooping down for the £20+ fine. Kris On Oct 28, 10:21 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... In article . com, (neil nerva) wrote: These maps are on the new ticket machines TfL are installing at London Overground stations Hampstead Heath appears still to be in Zone 3 ! I thought that TfL was going to bring this station back into Zone 2 when London Overground starts next month Yes, I'd spotted that and was asking myself the same question! I've an idea we've talked round this a bit in various poster's comments. Perhaps it'll change in January with the next routine NR fares changes, and so might the northern bit of the DC lines. It would make sense if 'LO' is considered (as on NR's site) one of the TOCs and changes will affect NR fares from stations outside the London fare zones (the ones TfL call the TfL fare zones)... Paul S |
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wrote in message oups.com... I go through Watford junction station most work days. They have installed Oyster readers (up to the silverlink county platforms), however they do not work yet. Looks like Oyster will be used as far as Watford junction. I expect that the oyster cards will be only valid on LO services not London Midland (the new TOC that takes over from Silverlink and Central). This will cause lots of ticket inspectors to rub their hands in glee. There has been a huge amount of discussion on this already, (most recently in the thread about TfL staff pass validity - started 12 Oct) and it was generally believed that London Midland will continue accepting Oyster, at least at the stations where it is already available on Silverlink County - what happens at WJ is awaited with interest. Also the key date in all this is the day NR fares change, in January, because Silverlink Metro fares use rail pricing at the moment, not LU... Paul |
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On 29 Oct, 21:44, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
Ooh-er! It's gone back to the current version! I've got the original version downloaded if anyone wants it. -- Colin Rosenstiel Yes please, I forgot to save that somewhere. jeroen dot kemperman, and then it's google's mail service / com. Thanks a lot! |
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On 29 Oct, 21:44, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article .com, (burkey) wrote: Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" GOBLIN becomes the only line on a tube map not to be electrified. Can't see GOBLIN shown on it.- The map has been changed since the original poster put up the message! Too many mistakes maybe? Ooh-er! It's gone back to the current version! I've got the original version downloaded if anyone wants it. -- Colin Rosenstiel Yes please! Thanks a lot. |
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On Oct 29, 9:20 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: wrote in message oups.com... I go through Watford junction station most work days. They have installed Oyster readers (up to the silverlink county platforms), however they do not work yet. Looks like Oyster will be used as far as Watford junction. I expect that the oyster cards will be only valid on LO services not London Midland (the new TOC that takes over from Silverlink and Central). This will cause lots of ticket inspectors to rub their hands in glee. There has been a huge amount of discussion on this already, (most recently in the thread about TfL staff pass validity - started 12 Oct) and it was generally believed that London Midland will continue accepting Oyster, at least at the stations where it is already available on Silverlink County - what happens at WJ is awaited with interest. Also the key date in all this is the day NR fares change, in January, because Silverlink Metro fares use rail pricing at the moment, not LU... Paul I have got an e-mail from LU with the new fares on and it states that the zones are now 1-9, rather than 1-D. |
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"chunky munky" wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 29, 9:20 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: There has been a huge amount of discussion on this already, (most recently in the thread about TfL staff pass validity - started 12 Oct) and it was generally believed that London Midland will continue accepting Oyster, at least at the stations where it is already available on Silverlink County - what happens at WJ is awaited with interest. Also the key date in all this is the day NR fares change, in January, because Silverlink Metro fares use rail pricing at the moment, not LU... Paul I have got an e-mail from LU with the new fares on and it states that the zones are now 1-9, rather than 1-D. That'll help the cause of those who'd like to extend Pre Pay nationwide a bit... Mind I'm not going to be best pleased if they deduct £500 on entry, on the off chance I don't touch out before I get to Thurso... Paul |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:01:29 -0700, chunky munky
wrote: I have got an e-mail from LU with the new fares on and it states that the zones are now 1-9, rather than 1-D. So only three zones outside the normal 6 instead of the previous 4? Interesting. |
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On 29 Oct, 21:44, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article .com, (burkey) wrote: Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply" GOBLIN becomes the only line on a tube map not to be electrified. Can't see GOBLIN shown on it.- The map has been changed since the original poster put up the message! Too many mistakes maybe? Ooh-er! It's gone back to the current version! I've got the original version downloaded if anyone wants it. -- Colin Rosenstiel Yes please - my email address is as given. |
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On 30 Oct, 18:01, chunky munky wrote:
(snip) I have got an e-mail from LU with the new fares on and it states that the zones are now 1-9, rather than 1-D. I presume (perhaps wrongly) that you received a mass-recipient list email as opposed to a personal one. May I ask whether it was a customer facing email, an internal email or an email intended for 'stakeholders'? |
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On Oct 30, 11:01 pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 30 Oct, 18:01, chunky munky wrote: (snip) I have got an e-mail from LU with the new fares on and it states that the zones are now 1-9, rather than 1-D. I presume (perhaps wrongly) that you received a mass-recipient list email as opposed to a personal one. May I ask whether it was a customer facing email, an internal email or an email intended for 'stakeholders'? Internal E-mail sent to all Staff Mailboxes |
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On Oct 29, 1:00 pm, Mr Thant
wrote: On 29 Oct, 11:19, wrote: I am suprised no one has noticed the fact that Hampstead Heath is still in Zone 3. I was under the impression that this would have been corrected at the launch of London Overground. looks like we have been mistaken.... I heard from the very mouth of Ken last week that two unnamed stations are to be moved. The original link is now back to the old non-Overground map. Looks like releasing it early was a mistake. U --http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London From London Travelwatch (http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/news.php? id=529): "It has been confirmed that London Overground fares will be set at London Underground levels, although single cash fares for £1.50 will remain, and that stations in Hampstead, Willesden and Acton would be re-zoned." |
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On Oct 31, 12:36 am, wrote:
On Oct 29, 1:00 pm, Mr Thant wrote: On 29 Oct, 11:19, wrote: I am suprised no one has noticed the fact that Hampstead Heath is still in Zone 3. I was under the impression that this would have been corrected at the launch of London Overground. looks like we have been mistaken.... I heard from the very mouth of Ken last week that two unnamed stations are to be moved. The original link is now back to the old non-Overground map. Looks like releasing it early was a mistake. U --http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London From London Travelwatch (http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/news.php? id=529): "It has been confirmed that London Overground fares will be set at London Underground levels, although single cash fares for £1.50 will remain, and that stations in Hampstead, Willesden and Acton would be re-zoned." Er, that link: http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/news.php?id=529 |
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