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Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
I need to do the above trip next Sunday, arriving around lunchtime and
returning a few hours later. I have an Annual Gold Card valid Brighton - London Terminals, and an oyster card with a PAYG balance on it. I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit, or would I be better off doing something else like travelling via Victoria, or taking a bus from Blackfriars? All ideas most welcome ... D A Stocks |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On 14 Nov, 12:12, "David A Stocks" wrote:
I need to do the above trip next Sunday, arriving around lunchtime and returning a few hours later. I have an Annual Gold Card valid Brighton - London Terminals, and an oyster card with a PAYG balance on it. I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit, or would I be better off doing something else like travelling via Victoria, or taking a bus from Blackfriars? All ideas most welcome ... D A Stocks Coming from the south a London Terminals ticket is in fact valid as far as City Thameslink. At Blackfriars, despite it being gated, there should be Oyster readers somewhere on the platform - perhaps near the subway - so passengers transferring from Southeastern trains on a rail-only ticket can touch- in their Oyster and thus continue travelling northwards on the Thameslink route without needing to exit and re-enter the gates. You could thus get off at Blackfriars and try and do this, perhaps even getting back on the same train. Don't go to Victoria as the Victoria line is closed all day sunday. The number 4 bus goes from outside City Thameslink to up to the Angel, Islington - see this PDF of the Ludgate Circus bus spider map: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...ircus-2026.pdf If you do this you'd need to ensure you leave City Thameslink station by the southern Ludgate Hill exit. There isn't much traffic in the City at the weekend so this might well be a quick route to take. Otherwise you should be able to buy an extension ticket at Brighton so you could stay on the Thameslink train and transfer to the Northern line at KX. The Thameslink line through central London can be treated as if it were part of the Underground network, so a U1 (i.e. Underground zone 1) ticket would be good for the whole Thameslink + Tube journey, and you should be able to buy this from the ticket office in Brighton. |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
"Mizter T" wrote Coming from the south a London Terminals ticket is in fact valid as far as City Thameslink. At Blackfriars, despite it being gated, there should be Oyster readers somewhere on the platform - perhaps near the subway - so passengers transferring from Southeastern trains on a rail-only ticket can touch- in their Oyster and thus continue travelling northwards on the Thameslink route without needing to exit and re-enter the gates. You could thus get off at Blackfriars and try and do this, perhaps even getting back on the same train. Assuming the normal Thameslink Sunday timetables apply, even if you can't make it back on to teh same train at Blackfriars after touching in, the train from Sutton should be 5 minutes behind the train from Brighton, so it won't waste much time to 'rebook'. Peter |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
"Mizter T" wrote in message
ups.com... On 14 Nov, 12:12, "David A Stocks" wrote: Coming from the south a London Terminals ticket is in fact valid as far as City Thameslink. .... but City Thameslink is closed on Sundays. At Blackfriars, despite it being gated, there should be Oyster readers somewhere on the platform I don't think there are - certainly not near enough for you to be able to re-board the same train (that's what I meant by a *sensible* way to validate the Oyster card ...). If anyone knows please shout! If only they had validators on the trains ... Don't go to Victoria as the Victoria line is closed all day sunday. Thanks for that! The number 4 bus goes from outside City Thameslink up to the Angel, Islington - see this PDF of the Ludgate Circus bus spider map: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...ircus-2026.pdf That's an option - a short walk from Blackfriars ... Otherwise you should be able to buy an extension ticket at Brighton so you could stay on the Thameslink train and transfer to the Northern line at KX. I'll be investigating this further ... Thanks DAS |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On 14 Nov, 13:49, "David A Stocks" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message ups.com... On 14 Nov, 12:12, "David A Stocks" wrote: Coming from the south a London Terminals ticket is in fact valid as far as City Thameslink. ... but City Thameslink is closed on Sundays. But of course. I forgot about that. At Blackfriars, despite it being gated, there should be Oyster readers somewhere on the platform I don't think there are - certainly not near enough for you to be able to re-board the same train (that's what I meant by a *sensible* way to validate the Oyster card ...). If anyone knows please shout! If only they had validators on the trains ... The reason I am farily certain that there must be standalone readers is that they are always provided at interchange stations where passengers might be entering or leaving PAYG territory - thus far I haven't come across anywhere where this isn't the case, though I haven't nosed around Blackfriars since the ticket gates have been installed. I imagine that an Oyster reader or two could be hidden down in the subway. But I absolutely understand - rushing around jumping on and off trains is hardly a sensible way to do things! However do see Peter Massons post - he suggests that you could just wait 5 minutes for the next FCC Thameslink train up from Sutton (if those trains are running to the normal timetable, and nothing on the FCC website would seem to suggest otherwise). Don't go to Victoria as the Victoria line is closed all day sunday. Thanks for that! There is a lot of work happening across the LU network at weekends, and it's certainly caught me out in the past. So I'll retell the boring but useful advice that it's a good idea to check ahead of travelling - the URL below should always take you to up-to-date information on engineering works and planned closures on the Underground for the forthcoming weekend: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravel...l-weekend.html (or this page can be accessed via the TfL homepage - "Live travel news" then "This weekend"). The number 4 bus goes from outside City Thameslink up to the Angel, Islington - see this PDF of the Ludgate Circus bus spider map: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...blackfriarsand... That's an option - a short walk from Blackfriars ... It's not very far at all really. Otherwise you should be able to buy an extension ticket at Brighton so you could stay on the Thameslink train and transfer to the Northern line at KX. I'll be investigating this further ... I'd be very interested to know how you get on if you do this. The first thing is whether they'll manage to sell you this ticket - I can imagine it might cause a bit of confusion, but then again Brighton is on the Thameslink route and they should be used to things like this. If there is trouble the magic words might simply be "zone 1 Underground ticket". The second thing is how much it costs. I'd imagine it would be £4 single, as that is the price of a printed Underground ticket for journeys involving zone 1 - however there might be some special pricing if it's considered an extension to your existing ticket, though I don't think that would be the case. Perhaps the uk.railway fares experts can help out here? Also I've only just really taken on board that your making a return journey, presumably all on the same day. In that case the £4 single LU ticket is obviously no good. A return wouldn't be £8 however, but instead you'd get a zones 1&2 Day Travelcard at a cost of £5.10. Again the Brighton ticket office should be able to sell you that. |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, David A Stocks wrote:
I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit, I'd probably get off at Blackfriars, then go to Angel via the Circle and Northern lines and Bank/Monument. Not very clever, but straightforward! or would I be better off doing something else like travelling via Victoria, The train to Victoria takes 10 minutes longer than that to Blackfriars (comparing the 1100 and 1116 trains, anyway), so that seems a retrograde move. or taking a bus from Blackfriars? Good lord no. Someone suggested buying a Z12 travelcard in Brighton, and then taking your route. If you can get that ticket in Brighton, that's absolutely the right thing to do. You aren't getting a stop at Elephant & Castle in lieu of London Bridge, are you? That would be an alternative place to change, and one where you could touch on in the way. Not quite as quick as via King's Cross, probably. tom -- The literature, especially in recent years, has come to resemble `The Blob', growing and consuming everything in its path, and Steve McQueen isn't going to come to our rescue. -- The Mole |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0000, "David A Stocks"
wrote: I need to do the above trip next Sunday, arriving around lunchtime and returning a few hours later. I have an Annual Gold Card valid Brighton - London Terminals, and an oyster card with a PAYG balance on it. I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit, or would I be better off doing something else like travelling via Victoria, or taking a bus from Blackfriars? Is there a problem with District Line from Blackfriars to Mansion House, then Northern Line, Bank to Angel? -- Terry Harper Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society http://www.omnibussoc.org |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, David A Stocks wrote: (snip) or taking a bus from Blackfriars? Good lord no. I read that and was genuinely perplexed as to why you might say that? I'm not a number 4 bus regular (though I think I have been on it at some point) but it goes a pretty direct route, and crucially a route which will be quiet at the weekend (especially on a sunday). Having checked the timetable for that route I note however the big downside, which is that on sunday it is only every 15 minutes (and somewhat to my astonishment only every 20 minutes before 10am), which is around half it's normal weekday daytime frequency. Someone who knew the ropes could try a bit of bus hopping outside St. Paul's tube station, but that's not really appropriate here. However, I can't help but think that your rejection of the bus option was not based on looking at the timetable. Perhaps you know the route, but otherwise I'm intrigued as to how you might reject the bus option out of hand like that? If the journey was up to Kings Cross or St. Pancras from Blackfriars, and either (a) Thameslink wasn't working or (b) the questioner was starting their journey from around Blackfriars (as opposed to already being on the Thameslink train) then the bus option would likely be the one I'd recommend. (snip) You aren't getting a stop at Elephant & Castle in lieu of London Bridge, are you? That would be an alternative place to change, and one where you could touch on in the way. Not quite as quick as via King's Cross, probably. The special FCC Thameslink engineering works timetable for this sunday says there are no stops at E&C, otherwise that would certainly have been the way to go that I'd have recommended. However *if* trains were stopping at E&C then your assumption of what would be quickest ain't right. Journey times wise, the Thameslink just isn't very nippy through the central London section (something that has been much commented on). An E&C to Kings Cross Thameslink journey is 17 minutes in duration, whilst E&C to Kings Cross on the Northern line takes 14 minutes - and E&C to the Angel takes 12 minutes. When one considers this alongside its lesser frequency, Thameslink just isn't currently that good an option for many journeys across central London *for those who are not already on the train* - i.e. it's no UndergrounD line! I guess this is why it vanished off the Tube maps (perhaps helped by the chronic rush hour overcrowding it experiences). Regarding the potential for a hop-off hop-on Oyster at E&C, I'd say it's a no-no, as the Oyster readers are at the bottom of a flight of stairs from the high-level platforms. I'd consider it a distinctly athletic feat if someone managed to to hop off a Thameslink train, get down the stairs, touch-in, back up the stairs and then hop back on the same train! Possible perhaps but only if you lined yourself up at the right door to exit the train, were willing to kill a granny or two on the stairs and the train was tardy in leaving the station. |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On 14 Nov, 19:34, Terry Harper wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0000, "David A Stocks" wrote: I need to do the above trip next Sunday, arriving around lunchtime and returning a few hours later. I have an Annual Gold Card valid Brighton - London Terminals, and an oyster card with a PAYG balance on it. I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit, or would I be better off doing something else like travelling via Victoria, or taking a bus from Blackfriars? Is there a problem with District Line from Blackfriars to Mansion House, then Northern Line, Bank to Angel? No, not this weekend at least (i.e. no engineering works on either line). And yes, I see what you've done there - suggesting walking at street level between Mansion House and Bank stations, rather than the long subterranean walk between Monument and Bank stations. A couple of principle issues with that: (1) It's just one stopI The whole idea of a one stop Underground journey, especially when the two stations are pretty close, just grates with me - I inevitably think, why not just walk instead?! An amendment would be to go two stops to Cannon Street and then walk up Walbrook or St Swithin's Lane to Bank. (2) There is not AFAIAA any out-of-station interchange between any of these stations (Mansion House, Cannon Street or Bank/Monument) so you would be charged for two separate journeys. Changing at Bank/Monument is an 'in-station' interchange (as it's just one big station complex) and hence you'd only be charged once for the whole journey (an Oyster PAYG fare of £1.50). Of course if a passenger was making several other journeys that day things would be different, as they'd be likely to reach a daily price cap and hence the cost of 'extra' journeys would be irrelevant. |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:46:32 -0800, Mizter T wrote:
Also I've only just really taken on board that your making a return journey, presumably all on the same day. In that case the £4 single LU ticket is obviously no good. A return wouldn't be £8 however, but instead you'd get a zones 1&2 Day Travelcard at a cost of £5.10. £4.80 with his Gold Card... |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On Nov 14, 9:32 pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 14 Nov, 19:34, Terry Harper wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0000, "David A Stocks" wrote: I need to do the above trip next Sunday, arriving around lunchtime and returning a few hours later. I have an Annual Gold Card valid Brighton - London Terminals, and an oyster card with a PAYG balance on it. I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit, or would I be better off doing something else like travelling via Victoria, or taking a bus from Blackfriars? Is there a problem with District Line from Blackfriars to Mansion House, then Northern Line, Bank to Angel? No, not this weekend at least (i.e. no engineering works on either line). And yes, I see what you've done there - suggesting walking at street level between Mansion House and Bank stations, rather than the long subterranean walk between Monument and Bank stations. A couple of principle issues with that: (1) It's just one stopI The whole idea of a one stop Underground journey, especially when the two stations are pretty close, just grates with me - I inevitably think, why not just walk instead?! An amendment would be to go two stops to Cannon Street and then walk up Walbrook or St Swithin's Lane to Bank. Cannon Street is the nearest to Bank (so a shorter walk than from Monument, street level or not), but it's not open on Sundays. You have to go via Walbrook and Central Line even on Saturdays I think, because they close the Northern Line entrance. (2) There is not AFAIAA any out-of-station interchange between any of these stations (Mansion House, Cannon Street or Bank/Monument) so you would be charged for two separate journeys. Changing at Bank/Monument is an 'in-station' interchange (as it's just one big station complex) and hence you'd only be charged once for the whole journey (an Oyster PAYG fare of £1.50). Of course if a passenger was making several other journeys that day things would be different, as they'd be likely to reach a daily price cap and hence the cost of 'extra' journeys would be irrelevant.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
asdf wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:46:32 -0800, Mizter T wrote: Also I've only just really taken on board that your making a return journey, presumably all on the same day. In that case the £4 single LU ticket is obviously no good. A return wouldn't be £8 however, but instead you'd get a zones 1&2 Day Travelcard at a cost of £5.10. £4.80 with his Gold Card... Very good point, I'd overlooked that. And of course for the one gets a zones 1-6 Day Travelcard. Not that this will help the OP! |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
MIG wrote: On Nov 14, 9:32 pm, Mizter T wrote: On 14 Nov, 19:34, Terry Harper wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0000, "David A Stocks" wrote: I need to do the above trip next Sunday, arriving around lunchtime and returning a few hours later. I have an Annual Gold Card valid Brighton - London Terminals, and an oyster card with a PAYG balance on it. I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit, or would I be better off doing something else like travelling via Victoria, or taking a bus from Blackfriars? Is there a problem with District Line from Blackfriars to Mansion House, then Northern Line, Bank to Angel? No, not this weekend at least (i.e. no engineering works on either line). And yes, I see what you've done there - suggesting walking at street level between Mansion House and Bank stations, rather than the long subterranean walk between Monument and Bank stations. A couple of principle issues with that: (1) It's just one stopI The whole idea of a one stop Underground journey, especially when the two stations are pretty close, just grates with me - I inevitably think, why not just walk instead?! An amendment would be to go two stops to Cannon Street and then walk up Walbrook or St Swithin's Lane to Bank. Cannon Street is the nearest to Bank (so a shorter walk than from Monument, street level or not), but it's not open on Sundays. Sorry, my mistake. I had thought that Cannon Street's opening hours had changed so it was open all weekend, but I got that quite wrong - it's just saturdays and only until 1940, but it remains closed on sundays. The 2005 press release is he http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/4106.aspx Did Mansion House used to be closed on sundays as well, or am I making that up? You have to go via Walbrook and Central Line even on Saturdays I think, because they close the Northern Line entrance. Thanks. Despite that, it's still a very convenient interchange. |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On Nov 15, 12:48 am, Mizter T wrote:
MIG wrote: On Nov 14, 9:32 pm, Mizter T wrote: On 14 Nov, 19:34, Terry Harper wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0000, "David A Stocks" wrote: I need to do the above trip next Sunday, arriving around lunchtime and returning a few hours later. I have an Annual Gold Card valid Brighton - London Terminals, and an oyster card with a PAYG balance on it. I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit, or would I be better off doing something else like travelling via Victoria, or taking a bus from Blackfriars? Is there a problem with District Line from Blackfriars to Mansion House, then Northern Line, Bank to Angel? No, not this weekend at least (i.e. no engineering works on either line). And yes, I see what you've done there - suggesting walking at street level between Mansion House and Bank stations, rather than the long subterranean walk between Monument and Bank stations. A couple of principle issues with that: (1) It's just one stopI The whole idea of a one stop Underground journey, especially when the two stations are pretty close, just grates with me - I inevitably think, why not just walk instead?! An amendment would be to go two stops to Cannon Street and then walk up Walbrook or St Swithin's Lane to Bank. Cannon Street is the nearest to Bank (so a shorter walk than from Monument, street level or not), but it's not open on Sundays. Sorry, my mistake. I had thought that Cannon Street's opening hours had changed so it was open all weekend, but I got that quite wrong - it's just saturdays and only until 1940, but it remains closed on sundays. The 2005 press release is hehttp://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/4106.aspx Did Mansion House used to be closed on sundays as well, or am I making that up? I can't remember that. I think it's unlikely, because Temple was closed on Sundays till fairly recently, and that would have been three out of four stations closed along that stretch. In fact, I only recently noticed that Temple is open on Sundays. You have to go via Walbrook and Central Line even on Saturdays I think, because they close the Northern Line entrance. Thanks. Despite that, it's still a very convenient interchange.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, David A Stocks wrote: or taking a bus from Blackfriars? Good lord no. I read that and was genuinely perplexed as to why you might say that? Because the only thing for which my irrational hatred exceeds orbital railway lines is buses! IME, buses in central London are a complete waste of time. Although this is in the City on a sunday, so it should actually be rather quick - having realised that, i rescind my comment. Or rather, i would, if you hadn't pointed out ... on sunday it is only every 15 minutes (and somewhat to my astonishment only every 20 minutes before 10am) Which is a bit naff. That said, given that the frequency is low and traffic should be light, it is quite likely that it'll manage to keep to its timetable quite well, so if one is scheduled to turn up soon after the time of the OP's train, this would be a pretty good option. However *if* trains were stopping at E&C then your assumption of what would be quickest ain't right. Journey times wise, the Thameslink just isn't very nippy through the central London section (something that has been much commented on). An E&C to Kings Cross Thameslink journey is 17 minutes in duration, whilst E&C to Kings Cross on the Northern line takes 14 minutes - and E&C to the Angel takes 12 minutes. Crumbs. I am surprised to hear that. When one considers this alongside its lesser frequency, Thameslink just isn't currently that good an option for many journeys across central London *for those who are not already on the train* - i.e. it's no UndergrounD line! No. I'd heard tell of its slowness, but didn't realise it was that bad. I guess this is why it vanished off the Tube maps (perhaps helped by the chronic rush hour overcrowding it experiences). Good point. Regarding the potential for a hop-off hop-on Oyster at E&C, I'd say it's a no-no, as the Oyster readers are at the bottom of a flight of stairs from the high-level platforms. I'd consider it a distinctly athletic feat if someone managed to to hop off a Thameslink train, get down the stairs, touch-in, back up the stairs and then hop back on the same train! Possible perhaps but only if you lined yourself up at the right door to exit the train, were willing to kill a granny or two on the stairs and the train was tardy in leaving the station. You could perhaps use one of the grannies to wedge a door open. Another option would be for the OP to bring a bicycle on the train, and ride from Blackfriars to Angel. It's a straight drag up Farringdon Road and down Rosebery Avenue. Easy to navigate, and the traffic should be light on a sunday afternoon. Farringdon Road, Charterhouse Street and St John Street would also be a good route. tom -- I am become Life, destroyer of worlds |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:29:38 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote: IME, buses in central London are a complete waste of time. Funny, that. In mine, they are the civilised and pleasant way to travel in Central London, albeit a bit slower than the use of the Tube. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:29:38 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: IME, buses in central London are a complete waste of time. Funny, that. In mine, they are the civilised and pleasant way to travel in Central London, albeit a bit slower than the use of the Tube. And not much slower for some journeys. The bus experience in London has been transformed in recent years. -- (*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website "He can't be as stupid as he looks, but nevertheless he probably is quite a stupid man." Richard Dawkins on Pres. Bush" |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
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Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:18 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: I sometimes use the 45 or 63 bus between King's Cross station and Blackfriars Road, usually on Saturdays or weekday evenings. The city is more than quiet enough for it to be the quickest way between those points. It isn't a slow way to do that journey even in the morning peak. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
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Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
"David A Stocks" wrote in message ... I need to do the above trip next Sunday ... (snipped) Thanks for all the responses. I decided to buy a Gold Card discounted Zones 1/2 ODTC. When I tried this out on a fast-ticket machine at Victoria a day or two before there was no problem. At Brighton a similar machine brought up the same option but then refused to sell me the ticket, so I had to go to the ticket office. When I explained what I needed to do ('stretch this Gold Card to Angel & back' the guy behind the counter told me the ODTC was the sensible option and duly sold it to me as 'Battersea Park to Zone 1&2' - I assume this means Southern get a slice of the revenue? After that everything worked as advertised. Some friends doing a similar trip from Horsham, made the mistake of going to Victoria ... D A Stocks |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On 19 Nov, 10:02, "David A Stocks" wrote:
"David A Stocks" wrote in ...I need to do the above trip next Sunday ... (snipped) Thanks for all the responses. I decided to buy a Gold Card discounted Zones 1/2 ODTC. When I tried this out on a fast-ticket machine at Victoria a day or two before there was no problem. At Brighton a similar machine brought up the same option but then refused to sell me the ticket, so I had to go to the ticket office. When I explained what I needed to do ('stretch this Gold Card to Angel & back' the guy behind the counter told me the ODTC was the sensible option and duly sold it to me as 'Battersea Park to Zone 1&2' - I assume this means Southern get a slice of the revenue? After that everything worked as advertised. Some friends doing a similar trip from Horsham, made the mistake of going to Victoria ... D A Stocks NR-issued travelcards always do seem to have a "from" station on them, which always seemed meaningless to me when the station is in the zones covered by the travelcard. But now I realise that it could be due to the system of allowing a travelcard to incorporate a day return from the station named if it's outside of the zones. There would be no risk in this case of the ticket being retained on returning to Battersea Park (if one did). It has been suggested, although I would dispute it, that the travelcard part can't be used after the return journey has been completed. I can understand that it's only valid for one return journey outside the zones, but I can't see why one couldn't get a lift back to London and continue using the travelcard (other than due to not physically having it). |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
"MIG" wrote It has been suggested, although I would dispute it, that the travelcard part can't be used after the return journey has been completed. I can understand that it's only valid for one return journey outside the zones, but I can't see why one couldn't get a lift back to London and continue using the travelcard (other than due to not physically having it). It is certainly permitted to use a ODTC from Dartford (outside the zones) to return there, and then use it on a London bus (Travelcards are valid on buses which form part of the London bus network, even outside the GLC boundary). It may be necessary to explain this at the ticekt barrier, and not put the ticket into the gate. Peter |
Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.
On 19 Nov, 12:43, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"MIG" wrote It has been suggested, although I would dispute it, that the travelcard part can't be used after the return journey has been completed. I can understand that it's only valid for one return journey outside the zones, but I can't see why one couldn't get a lift back to London and continue using the travelcard (other than due to not physically having it). It is certainly permitted to use a ODTC from Dartford (outside the zones) to return there, and then use it on a London bus (Travelcards are valid on buses which form part of the London bus network, even outside the GLC boundary). It may be necessary to explain this at the ticekt barrier, and not put the ticket into the gate. Peter Yes, good point. Travelcards are valid on a number of bus routes outside London, eg 96 to Bluewater (Greenhithe), regardless of the zones covered by the travelcard. |
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