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All listed in the new GBPTT available on the Network Rail website:

Eastfields has this footnote: This station may open during the
currency of this timetable, please see local publicity for further
details.

Imperial Wharf and Shepherds Bush have this one: It is unknown at the
time of going to press, when this
station will open. For further details please contact National Rail
Enquiries 08457-484950 or see local
publicity.

I did hear a rumour that Shepherds Bush will open on Dec 10th 2007 but
not sure if this is actually going to happen!

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Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too
narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore
looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening!


"Standing at HN28 signal" wrote in message
...
All listed in the new GBPTT available on the Network Rail website:

Eastfields has this footnote: This station may open during the
currency of this timetable, please see local publicity for further
details.

Imperial Wharf and Shepherds Bush have this one: It is unknown at the
time of going to press, when this
station will open. For further details please contact National Rail
Enquiries 08457-484950 or see local
publicity.

I did hear a rumour that Shepherds Bush will open on Dec 10th 2007 but
not sure if this is actually going to happen!

New London Stations....
 

Eastfields(it will probably be called Mitcham Eastfields) will be
opening at the start of the June timetable.

Martin Whelton


On 5 Dec, 18:44, "Steve" wrote:
Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too
narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore
looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening!

"Standing at HN28 signal" wrote in ...



All listed in the new GBPTT available on the Network Rail website:

Eastfields has this footnote: This station may open during the
currency of this timetable, please see local publicity for further
details.

Imperial Wharf and Shepherds Bush have this one: It is unknown at the
time of going to press, when this
station will open. For further details please contact National Rail
Enquiries 08457-484950 or see local
publicity.

I did hear a rumour that Shepherds Bush will open on Dec 10th 2007 but
not sure if this is actually going to happen!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

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On 5 Dec, 18:44, "Steve" wrote:
Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too
narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore
looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening!

The plan appears to be to move the streetlamps and hope the H&S people
make an exception, rather than a rebuild.
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....8393fd5caa27f0

There was no sign of any progress when I went to have a look a week or
two ago. TfL told me "by the end of the year" in a recent email.

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

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Steve wrote:
Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms
are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre
and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt
before opening!

So what's their reason for not opening the other platform? South Greenford
operated as a one-way station for a year or two after one of the platforms
went bungee jumping, and the Sudbury Picc stations were both one-way for a
while during platform rebuilding. Not ideal, but better than a shut
station... unless they are concerned that a one-way station on the maps for
six months will bring a lot more embarrassing publicity than a shut station,
and feigning competence is more important than helping the public get
around.

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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:57:01 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Steve wrote:
Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms
are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre
and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt
before opening!

So what's their reason for not opening the other platform? South Greenford
operated as a one-way station for a year or two after one of the platforms
went bungee jumping, and the Sudbury Picc stations were both one-way for a
while during platform rebuilding. Not ideal, but better than a shut
station... unless they are concerned that a one-way station on the maps for
six months will bring a lot more embarrassing publicity than a shut station,
and feigning competence is more important than helping the public get
around.

I think the difference is that Shepherds Bush is a new station and must
meet mandated standards before Works, Plant and Equipment (statutory
safety) approval can be granted thus allowing public use. Let's be frank
- the platform width issue at SB is a right royal cock up by several
parties who have duties under Construction Design Management regulations
to design correctly or to seek assurance or to grant approvals. Quite
how three key activities were mucked up to this extent would make an
interesting story.

The other examples you quote are of places that effectively have
grandfather rights exemption from complying with current standards. The
use of one way systems at such sites are just a pragmatic way of
managing disruption while works are undertaken to repair damage or
replace worn out assets. These new works at existing locations would
have to demonstrate compliance with applicable rules (subject to any
concessions to standards that might have been granted).

--
Paul C

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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:57:01 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Steve wrote:
Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms
are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre
and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt
before opening!

So what's their reason for not opening the other platform? South
Greenford operated as a one-way station for a year or two after one
of the platforms went bungee jumping, and the Sudbury Picc stations
were both one-way for a while during platform rebuilding. Not ideal,
but better than a shut station... unless they are concerned that a
one-way station on the maps for six months will bring a lot more
embarrassing publicity than a shut station, and feigning competence
is more important than helping the public get around.

I think the difference is that Shepherds Bush is a new station and
must meet mandated standards before Works, Plant and Equipment
(statutory safety) approval can be granted thus allowing public use.
Let's be frank - the platform width issue at SB is a right royal cock
up by several parties who have duties under Construction Design
Management regulations to design correctly or to seek assurance or to
grant approvals. Quite how three key activities were mucked up to
this extent would make an interesting story.

The other examples you quote are of places that effectively have
grandfather rights exemption from complying with current standards.
The use of one way systems at such sites are just a pragmatic way of
managing disruption while works are undertaken to repair damage or
replace worn out assets. These new works at existing locations would
have to demonstrate compliance with applicable rules (subject to any
concessions to standards that might have been granted).

I find it hard to believe that opening a new one-way station now and making
it two-way sixths months later would be illegal.

New London Stations....
 

On Dec 5, 8:46 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:57:01 -0000, "John Rowland"

I think the difference is that Shepherds Bush is a new station and must
meet mandated standards before Works, Plant and Equipment (statutory
safety) approval can be granted thus allowing public use. Let's be frank
- the platform width issue at SB is a right royal cock up by several
parties who have duties under Construction Design Management regulations
to design correctly or to seek assurance or to grant approvals.

Too right! I went through SB on a Harrow to West brompton train and I
could see that the platforms were quite laughably small. I could SEE
it in one second - anyone could. How engineers in a country with 200
years of station-building experience thought it would be all right
is ... it's just weird, I suppose... freaky. Mental would be another
good word.

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On 5 Dec, 21:25, "John Rowland"
wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:57:01 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Steve wrote:
Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms
are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre
and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt
before opening!

So what's their reason for not opening the other platform? South
Greenford operated as a one-way station for a year or two after one
of the platforms went bungee jumping, and the Sudbury Picc stations
were both one-way for a while during platform rebuilding. Not ideal,
but better than a shut station... unless they are concerned that a
one-way station on the maps for six months will bring a lot more
embarrassing publicity than a shut station, and feigning competence
is more important than helping the public get around.

I think the difference is that Shepherds Bush is a new station and
must meet mandated standards before Works, Plant and Equipment
(statutory safety) approval can be granted thus allowing public use.
Let's be frank - the platform width issue at SB is a right royal cock
up by several parties who have duties under Construction Design
Management regulations to design correctly or to seek assurance or to
grant approvals. Quite how three key activities were mucked up to
this extent would make an interesting story.

The other examples you quote are of places that effectively have
grandfather rights exemption from complying with current standards.
The use of one way systems at such sites are just a pragmatic way of
managing disruption while works are undertaken to repair damage or
replace worn out assets. These new works at existing locations would
have to demonstrate compliance with applicable rules (subject to any
concessions to standards that might have been granted).

I find it hard to believe that opening a new one-way station now and making
it two-way sixths months later would be illegal.


Unlawful is probably the word you are looking for.

Regardless of the legal situation half opening a new station for one-
way travel only would cause a lot of confusion and annoyance -
passengers could get there, but not back again.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:55:18 -0800 (PST), Offramp
wrote:

On Dec 5, 8:46 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:57:01 -0000, "John Rowland"

I think the difference is that Shepherds Bush is a new station and must
meet mandated standards before Works, Plant and Equipment (statutory
safety) approval can be granted thus allowing public use. Let's be frank
- the platform width issue at SB is a right royal cock up by several
parties who have duties under Construction Design Management regulations
to design correctly or to seek assurance or to grant approvals.

Too right! I went through SB on a Harrow to West brompton train and I
could see that the platforms were quite laughably small. I could SEE
it in one second - anyone could. How engineers in a country with 200
years of station-building experience thought it would be all right
is ... it's just weird, I suppose... freaky. Mental would be another
good word.

Someone probably scaled from drawings rather than using figured
dimensions!