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The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of
King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...s-novelty.html U |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
"Mr Thant" wrote in message ... I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...s-novelty.html U I like it - and its a nice touch to show York Rd (closed 1932)! Paul S |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
On 7 Dec, 13:34, Mr Thant
wrote: I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...ss-st-pancras-... U In the main its very good - I note your sense of humour extends to including platform 9 3/4 but doesn't go as far as listing Grand Central as an operator out of KX!! :-) Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? I'm sure I saw that on a diagram somewhere - showing that the Thameslink tunnel actually passes under the Midland Main Line before the new station. Can anyone confirm that? Tony (who will be the first to do one of those 3D maps of the site??) |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
Mr Thant wrote:
I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...s-novelty.html U 'Just in time for the closure of St Pancras Thameslink' Care to explain? :-P Nice map by the way. |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
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The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
"Sky Rider" wrote in message ... Mr Thant wrote: I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...s-novelty.html U 'Just in time for the closure of St Pancras Thameslink' Care to explain? :-P It'll be one of those intentional typos publishers make to detect illegal copying... Paul |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
wrote Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? I'm sure I saw that on a diagram somewhere - showing that the Thameslink tunnel actually passes under the Midland Main Line before the new station. Can anyone confirm that? The Thameslink tunnel runs under the east side of the original concourse (about where the Baby Betjeman is now), then ran under the bufferstops end of platforms 5-2, under the old parcels office and swung to an alignment under Midland Road as far as Goods Way (and so at an angle to the alignment of St Pancras station itself). The new station is on the straight stretch under (the original line of) Midland Road. I would say that this puts the south end of SPILL south and west of the MML station, and the north end under the MML station. At one time there was a signalbox on what is now the Thameslink line, reached by a spiral staircase from the bottom of the cab ramp on the west side. Peter |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink
station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? I'm sure I saw that on a diagram somewhere - showing that the Thameslink tunnel actually passes under the Midland Main Line before the new station. Can anyone confirm that? Here's a plan, posted here a few days ago. http://www.arup.com/_assets/_download/download268.pdf -- Peter |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
On 7 Dec, 14:02, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Sky Rider" wrote in message ... Mr Thant wrote: I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...ss-st-pancras-... U 'Just in time for the closure of St Pancras Thameslink' Care to explain? :-P It'll be one of those intentional typos publishers make to detect illegal copying... Paul The introductory text on the blog entry is correct now. |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
In message , at 13:59:54 on
Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider remarked: wrote: Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? That is correct. And it's at a slight angle to the side of StPancras (turned clockwise). Meanwhile, is there really going to be an exit for KX platforms 9-11 halfway along the passage to the Northern ticket hall? I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. And what of platform Zero at KX? -- Roland Perry |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
On 7 Dec, 13:34, Mr Thant
wrote: I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...ss-st-pancras-... U Fantastic. You were probably wise to have left the box marked 'cycle routes' unopened! A couple of constructive suggestions... Perhaps the new joint Kings Cross/ St Pancras car park could be marked - it's located underneath the Kent/ CTRL-DS platforms just off Pancras Road. But then again perhaps the exclusion of the private car on the diagram is intentional! The other thing is perhaps marking the way towards Camden next to the arrow on the top-left surface street - which, somewhat counterintuitively, is Pancras Rd at that point, not Midland Rd, because Pancras Rd wiggles underneath the station... http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=529882&y=183283 The point being that it's really not very far to walk to get from KX/ SP right into the heart of Camden. |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
On 7 Dec, 15:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:59:54 on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider remarked: wrote: Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? That is correct. And it's at a slight angle to the side of St Pancras (turned clockwise). Meanwhile, is there really going to be an exit for KX platforms 9-11 halfway along the passage to the Northern ticket hall? I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. Really?! That isn't going to be at all popular, having to lug one's luggage up then down some stairs. Though of course there could be lifts for each platform, and a ramp at the west side to access the bridge, so it could be mitigated somewhat. And the main concourse is going to be on the west side I suppose, so maybe it's not going to be an issue at all. |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:59:54 on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider remarked: wrote: Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? That is correct. And it's at a slight angle to the side of StPancras (turned clockwise). Meanwhile, is there really going to be an exit for KX platforms 9-11 halfway along the passage to the Northern ticket hall? I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. And what of platform Zero at KX? Platform 0 (or rather Platform Y as it is now called) is going ahead as planned. |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
Mizter T wrote:
On 7 Dec, 15:09, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:59:54 on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider remarked: wrote: Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? That is correct. And it's at a slight angle to the side of St Pancras (turned clockwise). Meanwhile, is there really going to be an exit for KX platforms 9-11 halfway along the passage to the Northern ticket hall? I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. Really?! That isn't going to be at all popular, having to lug one's luggage up then down some stairs. Though of course there could be lifts for each platform, and a ramp at the west side to access the bridge, so it could be mitigated somewhat. And the main concourse is going to be on the west side I suppose, so maybe it's not going to be an issue at all. See http://tinyurl.com/q249u - not the first time this page has been linked to Usenet but appropriate nonetheless. The PDFs under the following names have very detailed diagrams of the station post-2011 (there might be others that I haven't checked yet): PROPOSED 1 - PART 1 PROPOSED 1 - PART 2 PROPOSED 2 - PART 1 PROPOSED 2 - PART 2 PROPOSED 3 DETAILS - PART 1 DETAILS - PART 2 AMENDED DRAWINGS All PDFs except the last one are dated 24/25 August 2006. The last PDF is dated 16 Jan 2007. |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
Paul Scott wrote:
"Mr Thant" wrote in message ... I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...s-novelty.html U I like it - and its a nice touch to show York Rd (closed 1932)! Paul S I assume the blue parallel lines are cycle routes (two way) (;-) Jim Chisholm |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
In message , at 15:51:14 on
Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider remarked: I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. Really?! That isn't going to be at all popular, having to lug one's luggage up then down some stairs. Though of course there could be lifts for each platform, Yes. and a ramp at the west side to access the bridge, so it could be mitigated somewhat. And the main concourse is going to be on the west side I suppose, so maybe it's not going to be an issue at all. My impression was that there's going to be a new concourse in the gap between KX and StP (the existing concourse in front of the buffers and south of the departures board being demolished and replaced by an outdoors area - that's why the buffers will be exit only as in the new plan they'll tip out almost onto the street). That new concourse to be at 1st floor level, or ramped, or something. It does seem to mean that access from the street will be more difficult. -- Roland Perry |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 7 Dec, 15:09, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:59:54 on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider remarked: wrote: Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? That is correct. And it's at a slight angle to the side of St Pancras (turned clockwise). Meanwhile, is there really going to be an exit for KX platforms 9-11 halfway along the passage to the Northern ticket hall? I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. Really?! That isn't going to be at all popular, having to lug one's luggage up then down some stairs. Though of course there could be lifts for each platform, and a ramp at the west side to access the bridge, so it could be mitigated somewhat. And the main concourse is going to be on the west side I suppose, so maybe it's not going to be an issue at all. Its an interpretation that has been highlighted before, but it is definitely not correct from the evidence available in the various planning documents. It is correct that the bridge will be one way onto the platforms from the higher level of the new main concourse, but there will also be two way traffic onto the southen ends of the platforms as now. This is why the higher numbered platforms 5-8 are going to be shortened at the buffer end, to allow more circulation space round to the western concourse. "The majority of passengers using train services in the main train shed will move from the new concourse at its southernmost end, through the Western range and onto platforms from the South." See: http://tinyurl.com/2rs5l2 section 5.4 for info... Paul |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:09:32 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. That seems to be at odds with how I read McAslan's drg AL-00G (http://tinyurl.com/35bocd - 7 MB pdf, page 4 of 5), which doesn't seem to disallow pax entering the one marked "In" gateline between platforms 1 and Y and immediately turning left to reach platforms 2-8. |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 15:51:14 on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider remarked: I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. Really?! That isn't going to be at all popular, having to lug one's luggage up then down some stairs. Though of course there could be lifts for each platform, Yes. and a ramp at the west side to access the bridge, so it could be mitigated somewhat. And the main concourse is going to be on the west side I suppose, so maybe it's not going to be an issue at all. My impression was that there's going to be a new concourse in the gap between KX and StP (the existing concourse in front of the buffers and south of the departures board being demolished and replaced by an outdoors area - that's why the buffers will be exit only as in the new plan they'll tip out almost onto the street). That new concourse to be at 1st floor level, or ramped, or something. It does seem to mean that access from the street will be more difficult. No it isn't - the main concourse is at ground level, and the main entry/exit from the platforms will still be directly from the existing front of the station, towards the new square, and also via the western side concourse, which will clearly provide much improved access to the underground. There will also be a mezzanine level for cafes & shops etc. Unfortunately there isn't a small size report I can link to, but its all on the Camden site if you slog through it... Paul |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
"James Farrar" wrote in message ... On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:09:32 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. That seems to be at odds with how I read McAslan's drg AL-00G (http://tinyurl.com/35bocd - 7 MB pdf, page 4 of 5), which doesn't seem to disallow pax entering the one marked "In" gateline between platforms 1 and Y and immediately turning left to reach platforms 2-8. That's correct. Since my earlier comments I've now trawled through past posts, and found the Arup report I linked to back in March when this was discussed at length. It has a few excellent drawings showing how all the passenger flows work. http://tinyurl.com/2csubh Paul |
The King's Cross St. Pancras nexus - a novelty tube map
Paul Scott wrote:
"James Farrar" wrote in message ... On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:09:32 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. That seems to be at odds with how I read McAslan's drg AL-00G (http://tinyurl.com/35bocd - 7 MB pdf, page 4 of 5), which doesn't seem to disallow pax entering the one marked "In" gateline between platforms 1 and Y and immediately turning left to reach platforms 2-8. That's correct. Since my earlier comments I've now trawled through past posts, and found the Arup report I linked to back in March when this was discussed at length. It has a few excellent drawings showing how all the passenger flows work. http://tinyurl.com/2csubh Unfortunately, the excellent drawings have suffered somewhat in the process that has produced this PDF.I've tried two different PDF viewers and in both cases the diagrams come out as a blurred mess. One gets a sense of what was there, but it looks as if some high-quality originals have been scanned and resized badly before being put into the PDF. |
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"Kevin Ashley" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, the excellent drawings have suffered somewhat in the process that has produced this PDF.I've tried two different PDF viewers and in both cases the diagrams come out as a blurred mess. One gets a sense of what was there, but it looks as if some high-quality originals have been scanned and resized badly before being put into the PDF. Yes - my bad English - should probably have said they are excellent for the purpose of describing the passenger flows... Paul |
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On Dec 7, 2:42 pm, "Peter Goodland"
wrote: Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? I'm sure I saw that on a diagram somewhere - showing that the Thameslink tunnel actually passes under the Midland Main Line before the new station. Can anyone confirm that? Here's a plan, posted here a few days ago. http://www.arup.com/_assets/_download/download268.pdf I'm confused , I thought the Thameslink changes at KX were simply a new station but it seems from this they've bored some new tunnels too? B2003 |
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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:55:08 +0000, Kevin Ashley
wrote: Paul Scott wrote: "James Farrar" wrote in message ... On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:09:32 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. That seems to be at odds with how I read McAslan's drg AL-00G (http://tinyurl.com/35bocd - 7 MB pdf, page 4 of 5), which doesn't seem to disallow pax entering the one marked "In" gateline between platforms 1 and Y and immediately turning left to reach platforms 2-8. That's correct. Since my earlier comments I've now trawled through past posts, and found the Arup report I linked to back in March when this was discussed at length. It has a few excellent drawings showing how all the passenger flows work. http://tinyurl.com/2csubh Unfortunately, the excellent drawings have suffered somewhat in the process that has produced this PDF. That's a polite way of putting it. It would be nice if Camden just asked its applicants to provide PDFs to put on the website so they don't need to scan hard copy originals... I won't hold my breath, though ;) |
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"Boltar" wrote in message ... On Dec 7, 2:42 pm, "Peter Goodland" wrote: Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? I'm sure I saw that on a diagram somewhere - showing that the Thameslink tunnel actually passes under the Midland Main Line before the new station. Can anyone confirm that? Here's a plan, posted here a few days ago. http://www.arup.com/_assets/_download/download268.pdf I'm confused , I thought the Thameslink changes at KX were simply a new station but it seems from this they've bored some new tunnels too? It is the link tunnels to the ECML that are the brand new bores, connected to the existing route at the north end of the box, the outer two curving lines. I think there was some precautionary work done around the existing tunnel (the centre line of the three - not sure if it is single or double at that point on the schematic) so that they wouldn't be affected by the northbound ECML link, that burrows underneath them. The 'box' area is effectively on the line of the original Thameslink tunnels opened out to form the platform area, I wonder if the track was straightened at all, if not that was a pretty convenient straight section, long enough for 12 car platforms... Paul S |
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On 7 Dec, 16:06, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 7 Dec, 15:09, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:59:54 on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider remarked: wrote: Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly nearer Euston Road)? That is correct. And it's at a slight angle to the side of St Pancras (turned clockwise). Meanwhile, is there really going to be an exit for KX platforms 9-11 halfway along the passage to the Northern ticket hall? I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends. Really?! That isn't going to be at all popular, having to lug one's luggage up then down some stairs. Though of course there could be lifts for each platform, and a ramp at the west side to access the bridge, so it could be mitigated somewhat. And the main concourse is going to be on the west side I suppose, so maybe it's not going to be an issue at all. Its an interpretation that has been highlighted before, but it is definitely not correct from the evidence available in the various planning documents. It is correct that the bridge will be one way onto the platforms from the higher level of the new main concourse, but there will also be two way traffic onto the southen ends of the platforms as now. This is why the higher numbered platforms 5-8 are going to be shortened at the buffer end, to allow more circulation space round to the western concourse. "The majority of passengers using train services in the main train shed will move from the new concourse at its southernmost end, through the Western range and onto platforms from the South." See: http://tinyurl.com/2rs5l2 section 5.4 for info... Paul On a tangent here, why are the platforms the length they are, if they can be shortened and yet still accommodate full-length intercity trains? |
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On 7 Dec, 15:09, Roland Perry wrote:
Meanwhile, is there really going to be an exit for KX platforms 9-11 halfway along the passage to the Northern ticket hall? It's not shown very clearly on any diagrams, but I think so, though at the north end of the ticket hall itself. It looks like it'll actually be in the middle of the new concourse building site. Thanks for your feedback everyone. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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"Paul Scott" wrote It is the link tunnels to the ECML that are the brand new bores, connected to the existing route at the north end of the box, the outer two curving lines. I think there was some precautionary work done around the existing tunnel (the centre line of the three - not sure if it is single or double at that point on the schematic) so that they wouldn't be affected by the northbound ECML link, that burrows underneath them. The 'box' area is effectively on the line of the original Thameslink tunnels opened out to form the platform area, I wonder if the track was straightened at all, if not that was a pretty convenient straight section, long enough for 12 car platforms... The Thameslink tunnel is, AIUI, a double track bore all the way from Kings Cross Thameslink to where it surfaces at St Pauls Road Junction. There were formerly three junctions in the tunnel - the spur from Kings Cross York Road, the spur to Kings Cross Suburban (the Hotel Curve) and a spur from the Metropolitan, i.e. the Circle Line). There was originally a spur from the Metropolitan Railway facing west to the spur from York Road, though this was never regularly used and was taken out during the building of what is now the Thameslink Line. Peter |
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"Jamie Thompson" wrote On a tangent here, why are the platforms the length they are, if they can be shortened and yet still accommodate full-length intercity trains? Before the HST era, a typical ECML train would have been loco + 12 Mk1 or Mk2 coaches, i.e. about 260 metres. It would then need another loco to haul it back, so that would need platforms with a total operational length of 280 metres. During WW2 some enormous trains were run, but they could on occasions stretch into Gas Works Tunnel. Now trains are 2+9 HSTs, or 91+9Mk4+DVT, ie. about 247 metres, so a bit of shortening is possible, unless it is thought longer trains may be needed in future. However, it is probable that anything longer than 11 23-metre coaches (253 metres) or 10 26-metre coaches would cause problems elsewhere on the ECML, so are unlikely. At least two platforms were able to cope with a NoL E* which is about 300 metres long. Peter |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Mizter T wrote:
On 7 Dec, 13:34, Mr Thant wrote: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...ss-st-pancras-... The other thing is perhaps marking the way towards Camden next to the arrow on the top-left surface street Perhaps ditto the other streets, too. Perhaps even something like "Bloomsbury (5 min)". tom -- Suddenly, everything is clear ... |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: And what of platform Zero at KX? Platform 0 (or rather Platform Y as it is now called) is going ahead as planned. Just don't ask about Platform X. Really, don't ask. tom -- Suddenly, everything is clear ... |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Mr Thant wrote:
http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...s-novelty.html *clapclapclap* Excellent! Something like this would actually be rather helpful if posted outside the station - and equivalents at all other complicated stations. God knows how many times i've been in the bowels of Euston and had some poor sod turn from the tube map and ask me "so where do i go to get to Angel ...". tom -- Suddenly, everything is clear ... |
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Tom Anderson wrote: On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider wrote: Roland Perry wrote: And what of platform Zero at KX? Platform 0 (or rather Platform Y as it is now called) is going ahead as planned. Just don't ask about Platform X. Really, don't ask. And then there's platform f(x) which is for advanced pupils at Hogwarts ... Nick -- Serendipity: http://www.leverton.org/blosxom (last update 3rd Nov 2007) "The Internet, an ersatz counterfeit of real life" -- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996 |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 05:34:48 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant
wrote: I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...s-novelty.html U That's really neat. The only bit I am still confused about is really what is happening with the network of new and existing connecting tunnels between the KX T/Link, Vic, Picc and Northern lines. I know we have the temporary link diverging off the old T/L to Picc line corridor. However there appear to be additional excavations occurring at the junction with the staircase from the Vic Line as well as something going on in the closed section of the old tunnel *and* more excavations where the temporary tunnel arrives on the Picc Line platforms. While I understand the basic idea is to provide new links to the new Northern ticket hall I cannot work out exactly what is being done where to make this happen and where existing and new corridors may connect or where MIP lifts may be installed. I've seen various plans but I still can't get it round my head! -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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In message , at 18:30:43 on
Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Peter Masson remarked: At least two platforms were able to cope with a NoL E* which is about 300 metres long. But only by sticking a coach and half onto otherwise unencumbered tracks beyond the platform end. They couldn't on the majority of platforms (which are all pretty much the same length from the buffers). -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 16:13:48 on Fri, 7 Dec
2007, Paul Scott remarked: the main concourse is at ground level, and the main entry/exit from the platforms will still be directly from the existing front of the station, towards the new square, and also via the western side concourse, which will clearly provide much improved access to the underground. There will also be a mezzanine level for cafes & shops etc. Unfortunately there isn't a small size report I can link to, but its all on the Camden site if you slog through it... I'm sure that last time I looked the platform ends were going to be *only* exits [1]. I printed it out when this last came up, but that's at home 300 miles away. Later this weekend, maybe... [1] There was discussion about how they'd likely get very congested in the rain because people would stop to put up umbrellas etc, rather than striding outdoors into the wet. -- Roland Perry |
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On 7 Dec, 21:23, Paul Corfield wrote:
The only bit I am still confused about is really what is happening with the network of new and existing connecting tunnels between the KX T/Link, Vic, Picc and Northern lines. I know we have the temporary link diverging off the old T/L to Picc line corridor. However there appear to be additional excavations occurring at the junction with the staircase from the Vic Line as well as something going on in the closed section of the old tunnel *and* more excavations where the temporary tunnel arrives on the Picc Line platforms. My understanding is that it's staying basically the same, but all the tunnels are being enlarged and the stairs are being replaced by escalators. The Picc escalators appear to head north from the currently blocked off part of the Thameslink tunnel (which will be the main tunnel) and come out in the same cross passage as the temporary stairs. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:25:06 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant
wrote: On 7 Dec, 21:23, Paul Corfield wrote: The only bit I am still confused about is really what is happening with the network of new and existing connecting tunnels between the KX T/Link, Vic, Picc and Northern lines. I know we have the temporary link diverging off the old T/L to Picc line corridor. However there appear to be additional excavations occurring at the junction with the staircase from the Vic Line as well as something going on in the closed section of the old tunnel *and* more excavations where the temporary tunnel arrives on the Picc Line platforms. My understanding is that it's staying basically the same, but all the tunnels are being enlarged and the stairs are being replaced by escalators. The Picc escalators appear to head north from the currently blocked off part of the Thameslink tunnel (which will be the main tunnel) and come out in the same cross passage as the temporary stairs. It's the escalators that I hadn't picked up on. That certainly makes a load of sense in the context of the closed off bit of the Thameslink - Picc Line tunnel. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:25:06 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant wrote: My understanding is that it's staying basically the same, but all the tunnels are being enlarged and the stairs are being replaced by escalators. The Picc escalators appear to head north from the currently blocked off part of the Thameslink tunnel (which will be the main tunnel) and come out in the same cross passage as the temporary stairs. It's the escalators that I hadn't picked up on. That certainly makes a load of sense in the context of the closed off bit of the Thameslink - Picc Line tunnel. Where was the entrance to what is now Kings Cross Thameslink, before the BedPan electrification? I am pretty sure it wasn't where the Kings Cross Thameslink entrance is, but I can't recall quite where it was. When the Metropolitan and Circle platforms were alongside what is now Kings Cross Thameslink there was said to be a subway to that station from the Kings Cross concourse. Can any remains of it be seen anywhere, and in particular, was any of it incorporated into the Piccadilly to Kings Cross Thameslink subway? Peter |
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