On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:46:25 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant
wrote:

Not really. SWT have some trains formed of both body types:
http://www.semg.org.uk/gallery/class455_02.html

Which shows quite nicely how much smaller the PEP-derived stock is.
While I don't know about Thameslink, I've definitely heard in the past
that it's the only stock that fits Merseyrail properly.

Don't forget, BTW, that the LUL A-stock is quite a bit *bigger* than
mainline stock.

Neil

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Put my first name before the at to reply.

In message , at 22:36:26 on
Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Sky Rider remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:

snip

b) I noticed that one train had Southern markings on it. Why
8 units leased from Southern (another 48 in the pipeline).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_319

The article says 48 *coaches* (which make up 12 units).

oops.

In fact, 4 of those 12 units have recently been transferred (which
means that 12 Southern 319s are now part of the FCC fleet),
consequently that leaves 8 more units to be transferred by next
December. Once FCC have refrshed their own units then they'll refresh
the Southern 319s.

Ta.
--
Roland Perry

In message
, at
15:03:03 on Mon, 10 Dec 2007, lonelytraveller
remarked:
Why are the platforms at St Pancras Thameslink so massive in width?

There has been some discussion of whether or not the box was designed to
take two island platforms, but reduced to the current layout to save
costs. Now that it's possible to access the station, perhaps we can see
if it would be possible to steal the outer edges of each platform to
make a track each side, to regain an island layout?
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:46:25 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant
wrote:

Not really. SWT have some trains formed of both body types:
http://www.semg.org.uk/gallery/class455_02.html

Which shows quite nicely how much smaller the PEP-derived stock is.
While I don't know about Thameslink, I've definitely heard in the
past that it's the only stock that fits Merseyrail properly.

Don't forget, BTW, that the LUL A-stock is quite a bit *bigger* than
mainline stock.

PEP stock is all of 12cm lower than 317 stock, the only significant
difference. Hardly massive.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"jonmorris" wrote in message
...

Being keen to see the new station, I travelled today from there and it
was another 317 (Moorgate) train. The LCD displays were seriously
messed up, showing the first train as 0900, due 0905 and the second
train due at 0904! Obviously the second train didn't overtake, and
didn't arrive before the first one!! I think they've got some work to
do there.

Yup, they were doing something similar at about 1830 last night.

I also noticed that the displays don't say whether the next train will
be 4 cars or 8 - the displays at KX TL did.

Presumably in some unattainable nirvana somewhere in FCC-land,
all trains are 12 cars, so such a facility on the displays is unnecessary.
--
Garry Smith

"Mizter T" wrote

Absolutely. Underground sub-surface stock is bigger than all (?)
National Rail stock. I don't think a Met line train would fit down the
tunnels of the GN&CR (i.e. Moorgate line).

The Met stock of the time was used on the GN&C until 1939 (the line was
owned by the Metropolitan Railweay from 1913). It seems to have become part
of the Northern Line, with tube stock used, from 1939, until it was closed
for conversion for the GN electrics.

Peter

On 11 Dec, 08:14, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
15:03:03 on Mon, 10 Dec 2007, lonelytraveller
remarked:

Why are the platforms at St Pancras Thameslink so massive in width?

There has been some discussion of whether or not the box was designed to
a take two island platforms, but reduced to the current layout to save
costs. Now that it's possible to access the station, perhaps we can see
if it would be possible to steal the outer edges of each platform to
make a track each side, to regain an island layout?

I had a think about this when I was there on Sunday. The answer is
probably yes, but you'd be left with Clapham style islands and
escalators no nowhere.

U

In message
, at
01:42:39 on Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Mr Thant
remarked:
Why are the platforms at St Pancras Thameslink so massive in width?

There has been some discussion of whether or not the box was designed to
a take two island platforms, but reduced to the current layout to save
costs. Now that it's possible to access the station, perhaps we can see
if it would be possible to steal the outer edges of each platform to
make a track each side, to regain an island layout?

I had a think about this when I was there on Sunday. The answer is
probably yes, but you'd be left with Clapham style islands and
escalators no nowhere.

You'd have to move things like the escalators.
--
Roland Perry

On 11 Dec, 10:08, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
01:42:39 on Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Mr Thant
remarked:

Why are the platforms at St Pancras Thameslink so massive in width?

There has been some discussion of whether or not the box was designed to
a take two island platforms, but reduced to the current layout to save
costs. Now that it's possible to access the station, perhaps we can see
if it would be possible to steal the outer edges of each platform to
make a track each side, to regain an island layout?

I had a think about this when I was there on Sunday. The answer is
probably yes, but you'd be left with Clapham style islands and
escalators no nowhere.

You'd have to move things like the escalators.

Sorry, I wasn't very clear. The platforms would be two feet wide, so
installing anything wider than a stepladder would block access to the
south end.

U

On 11 Dec, 09:01, "Garry Smith" wrote:

Yup, they were doing something similar at about 1830 last night.

And this morning it was also somewhat confusing!

08:44 Moorgate - due 09:05
08:52 Wimbledon - due 08:58
08:56 Sutton - due 09:08
09:00 Moorgate - due 09:04
09:04 Brighton - due 09:04

Did FCC adjust the timetable to take into account the longer/shorter
time to arrive at StP? And, have they made the necessary changes to
the infrastructure to report on the arrival times for the screens?

I also noticed that the displays don't say whether the next train will
be 4 cars or 8 - the displays at KX TL did.

This is stupid. I don't think they state the location of first class
anymore either.

Jonathan