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(Peter Smyth) wrote: "Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... In article , (Mizter T) wrote: Passenger to/from Battersea Park from the SLL will lose out as the rerouted SLL service (that will go on from Peckham Rye to Nunhead and terminate at Bellingham) will not stop at Battersea Park due to platform lengthening on the other platforms (though this isn't really anything to do with the ELLX & Thameslink interplay). I think a good number of SLL pax using Battersea Park were changing to get trains to Clapham Junction bound trains, so these passengers will in future be able to go direct to Clapham Junction on the ELLX trains. The loss of Battersea Park calls would also make impossible my father's old rail commute from Putney to KCH, changing between Queen's Road Battersea (as it was then) and Battersea Park. Anyone doing that in future would have to use buses for at least part of the journey. Surely anyone doing that commute could just change at Clapham Junction for the East London Line? Oh yes! Good point. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Dec 14 2007, 11:02*am, Mwmbwls wrote:
The excellent *http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ reports something worthy of wider exposure. and he writes the same thing today. There is now an excellent diagram of Shoreditch High Street section. Is the enclosed section purely for noise abatement? http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ |
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On 20 Jan, 10:38, Mwmbwls wrote:
and he writes the same thing today. Do I? There is now an excellent diagram of Shoreditch High Street section. Is the enclosed section purely for noise abatement? Thanks. It's to protect the line from other development on the site, and the plan is for it to be inside other buildings. I think it's windowless. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
reports something worthy of wider exposure. Quote ELL Phase 2 in respect of Thameslink Phasing all good stuff snipped I must sit and read all that lot. It does occur to me that maybe a possible but expensive supplementry solution to inner south London surface rail capacity is to revive extending the Bakerloo line through the area. Of course thats something thats been sat on for a goodly long time looking as if it has no hope of ever getting going. I've not seen much about geological issues or routes but am I right in thinking various schemes have been worked out ? -- Nick |
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On Jan 20, 6:46 pm, D7666 wrote:
It does occur to me that maybe a possible but expensive supplementry solution to inner south London surface rail capacity is to revive extending the Bakerloo line through the area. Of course thats something thats been sat on for a goodly long time looking as if it has no hope of ever getting going. I've not seen much about geological issues or routes but am I right in thinking various schemes have been worked out ? Proposals to extend the Bakerloo have been made a number of times to Camberwell, Brixton, Peckham Tulse Hill and even (I can't remember the source for this one) Hayes. I don't think that it was geology that was the dominant blocker. Under the New Works Programme, undertaken to relieve the Depression, parliamentary powers were obtained in 1931 to build the Camberwell extension.with a terminus under Camberwell Green However, London Transport were not convinced that the route would pay.and the project was postponed. The Camberwell powers were renewed in 1955 prolonging their validity to 1961 but were allowed to lapse in favour of the Victoria Line extension to Brixton. In 1963 the London Transport board considered an extension to Peckham. The 1974 London Rail Study believed the cost benefit case to be weak and so Camberwell like sleeping beauty nodded off until most recently in 2006 http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk...name_page.html http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk...name_page.html http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk...name_page.html Having missed the Olympic Bus or more properly the Olympic tube the residents of Camberwell now have to wait until post 2015 with say another five years of political argy-bargy and a five year construction period they might, as part of the London 2025 plan, get direct access to that Latin quarter of Bushey known to the locals as Watford Junction in just under a century. The plans for the 1931 extension and the supporting papers for the 1974 London rail study should been in archive..Perhaps, Charlie Hulme could be kind enough to suggest an access route. I vaguely remember some papers published by the Royal Statistical Society about cost benefit analysis at that time. In pre computer days statistics used to be simple - grossly inaccurate but simple. :-) |
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"Mwmbwls" wrote I don't think that it was geology that was the dominant blocker. Under the New Works Programme, undertaken to relieve the Depression, parliamentary powers were obtained in 1931 to build the Camberwell extension.with a terminus under Camberwell Green However, London Transport were not convinced that the route would pay.and the project was postponed. The Camberwell powers were renewed in 1955 prolonging their validity to 1961 but were allowed to lapse in favour of the Victoria Line extension to Brixton. In 1963 the London Transport board considered an extension to Peckham. The 1974 London Rail Study believed the cost benefit case to be weak and so Camberwell like sleeping beauty nodded off until most recently in 2006 Of course, Camberwell used to have trains to Farringdon, Kings Cross, and Moorgate - but Camberwell New Road station was closed in 1916. Quite a lot of it is still there. Peter |
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Mwmbwls wrote:
The 1974 London Rail Study believed the cost benefit case to be weak and so Camberwell like sleeping beauty nodded off until most recently in 2006 Tim O'Toole mentioned it in a Time Out interview last year: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...nstion-on.html Pure rumour says the plan involves the Hayes branch. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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On Jan 20, 8:01*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Mwmbwls" wrote I don't think that it was geology that was the dominant blocker. Under the New Works Programme, undertaken to relieve the Depression, parliamentary powers were obtained in 1931 to build the Camberwell extension.with a terminus under Camberwell Green *However, London Transport were not convinced that the route would pay.and the project was postponed. The Camberwell powers were renewed in 1955 prolonging their validity to 1961 but were allowed to lapse in favour of the Victoria Line extension to Brixton. In 1963 the London Transport board considered an extension to Peckham. The 1974 London Rail Study believed the cost benefit case to be weak and so Camberwell like sleeping beauty nodded off until most recently in 2006 Of course, Camberwell used to have trains to Farringdon, Kings Cross, and Moorgate - but Camberwell New Road station was closed in 1916. Quite a lot of it is still there. New stations and better interchanges on existing lines could provide a lot of new person-routes, both north and south of the Thames, at much less cost than new lines. It's a bit bonkers how the line from Denmark Hill to Clapham High Street Crosses two routes to the south, and one to the north, without any straightforward opportunity for people to connect to them (one can go to Elephant or Victoria and back it's true). |
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