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Peter Masson wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote

Perhaps the most doable idea would be that of rebuilding East Brixton
station (one I floated not so long back). It wouldn't really be very
good from an interchange point of view, but it would be great in
providing more transport for the area, and both the ELLX and the new
SLL service could stop there.

I'm not sure the benefits would stack up. East Brixton was rather remote
from the heart of Brixton (the market, Brixton (NR) station, and
particularly Brixton (LUL) station. A replacement East Brixton, to modern
standards, would be expensive, if not quite as expensive as a station over
the top of Brixton (NR).

Peter


You make a very strong point. I just had some kind of notion that if
the train service was good enough, people would come, plus it would
serve the immediate locality. My idea that it might be some kind of
cheapo option is probably misguided.

Perhaps the best option is also the most audacious - a new Atlantic
lines station on top of the existing station. It is just frustrating
that SLL trains go right through the heart of Brixton yet remain
almost literally out of reach, and this frustration will surely grow
as the service improves with the arrival of the ELLX. However, given
the big expense of doing something about it, it would seem that the
situation isn't going to change, not any time soon at least. Shame.

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On 23 Jan, 18:40, "Peter Masson" wrote:
The Atlantic Lines are the ex-Brighton or South London pair, which went
through East brixton and go over the top of Brixton. To include platforms,
the best location would be on the bridge over Brixton station, but it would
involve replacing the bridge with one which included platforms, and you'd
need four lifts down to the Brixton platforms for a full range of
interchange, plus lifts down to ground level.

Presumably you could get away with only providing lifts to ground
level, while still satisfying DDA requirements - that way, the new
build would be accessible, which is the important bit (legally)...

Still not small change though.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On 23 Jan, 18:55, Mizter T wrote:
On 23 Jan, 18:07, John B wrote:

On 23 Jan, 15:40, wrote:

I'd agree. I think anything up to about 500m which provides a decent
connection is worth showing - as long as the distance is clearly
stated. London Overground in particular becomes a lot more useful when
viewed in those terms. It's a mystery to me why Camden Town/Camden
Road isn't shown as a possible connection.

I broadly agree with the notion above, but as John B says...



AIUI it's to deter people from using Camden Town, which is already
massively overcrowded.

Camden Town isn't perpetually crowded of course, but it often is - and
LU won't be keen on encouraging yet more people to pass through this
very busy station, which is what would be likely to happen if it was
shown as an interchange on the Tube map, the London Overground network
map or the Northern line linear maps (i.e. those displayed in the
carriages).

That is terribly depressing, isn't it? What happened to the rebuilding
plans?

Jonn

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On 24 Jan, 11:59, wrote:
That is terribly depressing, isn't it? What happened to the rebuilding
plans?

I believe a new application is slowly progressing, but they're being
very quiet about it. Camden Council recently approved an area plan
that includes the demolition of the buildings above for redevelopment
of the station, so it has a fair chance of going through.

I think the 400m between Camden Town and Road is further than will
ever be put on the tube map.

U

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On Jan 24, 12:30*pm, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 24 Jan, 11:59, wrote:

That is terribly depressing, isn't it? What happened to the rebuilding
plans?

I believe a new application is slowly progressing, but they're being
very quiet about it. Camden Council recently approved an area plan
that includes the demolition of the buildings above for redevelopment
of the station, so it has a fair chance of going through.

I think the 400m between Camden Town and Road is further than will
ever be put on the tube map.


The demolition of the things that people go to Camden for, in order to
deal with the people going to Camden, will remove the overcrowding
without the need to rebuild the station.

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In article , Peter Masson
writes

Up Catford Loop trains cross to the Atlantic Lines at Crofton
Road Junction, then at Factory Junction take the Low Level route via
Stewarts Lane, joining the Up Slow at Battersea Pier Junction.

Incorrect. Two trains per hour - the stopping service from Faversham -
go "low level". Anything else goes High Level. This was said to be
to avoid conflict with Eurostar trains, but I have used the Faversham
train a couple of times since the end of the Eurostars, and it still
goes the same way.
--
Bill Borland

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On 24 Jan, 12:30, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 24 Jan, 11:59, wrote:

That is terribly depressing, isn't it? What happened to the rebuilding
plans?

I believe a new application is slowly progressing, but they're being
very quiet about it. Camden Council recently approved an area plan
that includes the demolition of the buildings above for redevelopment
of the station, so it has a fair chance of going through.

I think the 400m between Camden Town and Road is further than will
ever be put on the tube map.


There are already 300m changes shown. An extra minute is surely that
great a walk on a journey where this change could save a lot of time
(say, Edgware to Dalston).

Jonn

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On 24 Jan, 12:57, Bill Borland wrote:
In article , Peter Masson
writes

Up Catford Loop trains cross to the Atlantic Lines at Crofton
Road Junction, then at Factory Junction take the Low Level route via
Stewarts Lane, joining the Up Slow at Battersea Pier Junction.

Incorrect. Two trains per hour - the stopping service from Faversham -
go "low level". Anything else goes High Level. This was said to be
to avoid conflict with Eurostar trains, but I have used the Faversham
train a couple of times since the end of the Eurostars, and it still
goes the same way.
--
Bill Borland


Eh? I haven't used it much lately, but I think the Up Dartford -
Victoria trains still take the low-level Stewarts Lane route.

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On 24 Jan, 16:57, Mizter T wrote:
On 24 Jan, 12:57, Bill Borland wrote:

In article , Peter Masson
writes

Up Catford Loop trains cross to the Atlantic Lines at Crofton
Road Junction, then at Factory Junction take the Low Level route via
Stewarts Lane, joining the Up Slow at Battersea Pier Junction.

Incorrect. Two trains per hour - the stopping service from Faversham -
go "low level". *Anything else goes High Level. *This was said to be
to avoid conflict with Eurostar trains, but I have used the Faversham
train a couple of times since the end of the Eurostars, and it still
goes the same way.
--
* Bill Borland

Eh? I haven't used it much lately, but I think the Up Dartford -
Victoria trains still take the low-level Stewarts Lane route.

They've certainly done that a lot when I've been in them, although
sometimes they seem to play it by ear. It's always a relief when they
don't, because the high route is much quicker.

The fact that they are often (always?) timetabled to take longer from
Denmark Hill going non-stop than the ones that stop at three stations
via Battersea Park implies some reason for sloth, ie the low route.

Some afternoon/evening Maidstone line trains (having gone via Catford)
seem to go that way as well.

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On Jan 24, 12:30 pm, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 24 Jan, 11:59, wrote:
I think the 400m between Camden Town and Road is further than will
ever be put on the tube map.

U


Didn't Southwark used to be shown as an interchange for Waterloo East,
but state there was 500m between them?