On 24 Dec, 13:07, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
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Perhaps they should advertise the jobs in Poland. Some people who are
prepared to work without whinging about everything and taking endless
sickies might be the kick up the arse certain people in LU need just
as it has been for decorators and various other professions.

Although the reality might be different, with train operators on
maternity / paternity leave or taking short-term medication that
prevents them from driving trains.

Yeah , theres always some excuse.


Yeabut, Robin, Mr Boltar never lets things like that get in the way of
an opportunity to slag off LU or its staff.

Perhaps because its so ****ing useless and the staff indifferent to
passengers?

Want my latest example? Sitting at arnos grove in a southbound hoping
eventually to get to do my xmas shopping. 3 minutes after sitting
going nowhere the train in the middle platform heads off south
completely empty. Not once did the *FOUR* staff at the end of the
platform including the bloke in the cabin say a damn thing to anyone
even though the train had been sitting there with its doors open
longer than us and they must've known since I saw them chatting to its
driver.

So with that couldn't care less attitude to the passengers merry
****ing xmas to all you useless ******s at LUL.

B2003

Well, the other evening (Poss Fri) at 5pm I was waiting at Aldgate and an
announcement was made saying that the next Westbound service was 21 minutes
away. However that was followed by the next Eastbound service was 24 mins
away

On 25 Dec, 18:57, "Frank Incense" wrote:
Well, the other evening (Poss Fri) at 5pm I was waiting at Aldgate and an
announcement was made saying that the next Westbound service was 21 minutes
away. However that was followed by the next Eastbound service was 24 mins
away

Hope you claimed your refund!

Rest assured though that no doubt the drivers were all legitimately
off work , none of them had taken a sickie. Obviously management had
just forgotten to arrange cover. Though if cover were arranged with
people who could be bothered to work I'm sure said drivers would all
miraculously appear on a picket line, any prior engagements completely
forgotten.

B2003

On Dec 24, 9:24 am, Boltar wrote:

going nowhere the train in the middle platform heads off south
completely empty.

So was it even in service ?

It may have been going empty for a very good reason. Reasons that have
zero to do with you.

There is a world of difference between being held up for 3 mins
without explanation (which is a valid criticism) to being told the
precise operational details why a non passenger carrying train left in
front of you (which is none of your business).

I know of at least 3 reasons why an empty LU rtrain would be routed
like that ahead of a service train.

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Nick

On 26 Dec, 14:47, D7666 wrote:
On Dec 24, 9:24 am, Boltar wrote:

going nowhere the train in the middle platform heads off south
completely empty.

So was it even in service ?

Yes. I watched it head off to the next station.


It may have been going empty for a very good reason. Reasons that have
zero to do with you.

It was going empty because the platform indicators were wrong and
everyone got on our train. If it had been going out of service I'm
sure the driver of it would have checked the carriages for passengers
and closed the doors manually. He didn't.

There is a world of difference between being held up for 3 mins
without explanation (which is a valid criticism) to being told the
precise operational details why a non passenger carrying train left in
front of you (which is none of your business).

Who knows why it left first , I don't care about that. What I do care
about is none of those good for nothing overpaid ******* hanging
around chatting said a damn thing to us passengers so we could get on
it. Its not the first time this has happened either.

I know of at least 3 reasons why an empty LU rtrain would be routed
like that ahead of a service train.

Oh yeah? Care to elaborate any *good* reasons (as opposed to making LU
staffs lives easier reasons)?

B2003

On Dec 26, 10:00 am, Boltar wrote:

Who knows why it left first , I don't care about that. What I do care
about is none of those good for nothing overpaid ******* hanging
around chatting

They may well have been involved with one of the scenarios explained
below. ''Platform briefings'' are a key safety element.

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

I know of at least 3 reasons why an empty LU rtrain would be routed
like that ahead of a service train.

Oh yeah? Care to elaborate any *good* reasons (as opposed to making LU
staffs lives easier reasons)?

Well I know you'd make some remark like that as you clearly don't take
any interest in plausible explanations or have any knowledge about
these things.

Since you have already made up your mind in anti-LU mode I'm probably
wasting my time but there might be others reading this who are
interested:

[1] there is a possible infrastructure fault in section and a member
of operational staff is riding the section to inspect ahead of an in
service train

[2] these is an established infrastruture fault in section and the
train is to act as protection in section for technical officers while
the fault is diagnosed or corrected with staff on track ahead of it

[3] there is a now just-cleared infrastructure fault in section and
the train is required to act as a ''sweeper'' to prove all is clear

Any one of those could result in what you saw - a platform staff
brieifing and/or waiting authorisation followed by an empty train
move.

And any one of those could result in a stop of unknown duration in
section. Considering you are whinging greatly about a 3 min stop in a
platform, you'd prefer an unpredictable unexplained longer stop
between stations ?

--
Nick

On Dec 26, 6:41 pm, D7666 wrote:
On Dec 26, 10:00 am, Boltar wrote:

Who knows why it left first , I don't care about that. What I do care
about is none of those good for nothing overpaid ******* hanging
around chatting

They may well have been involved with one of the scenarios explained
below. ''Platform briefings'' are a key safety element.

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

I know of at least 3 reasons why an empty LU rtrain would be routed
like that ahead of a service train.

Oh yeah? Care to elaborate any *good* reasons (as opposed to making LU
staffs lives easier reasons)?

Well I know you'd make some remark like that as you clearly don't take
any interest in plausible explanations or have any knowledge about
these things.

Since you have already made up your mind in anti-LU mode I'm probably
wasting my time but there might be others reading this who are
interested:

[1] there is a possible infrastructure fault in section and a member
of operational staff is riding the section to inspect ahead of an in
service train

[2] these is an established infrastruture fault in section and the
train is to act as protection in section for technical officers while
the fault is diagnosed or corrected with staff on track ahead of it

[3] there is a now just-cleared infrastructure fault in section and
the train is required to act as a ''sweeper'' to prove all is clear

Any one of those could result in what you saw - a platform staff
brieifing and/or waiting authorisation followed by an empty train
move.

And any one of those could result in a stop of unknown duration in
section. Considering you are whinging greatly about a 3 min stop in a
platform, you'd prefer an unpredictable unexplained longer stop
between stations ?

--
Nick

I hate to say it (as she/he does sound like a blinkered moron) but I
can see Boltar's point. Of course it may be that there was no Train
Operator on the train that they were on, so by the time the signal
cleared it was best to get moving. I would hope that this would not be
the cas had the next train been a lot more than 3 minutes.

To bring a little background, that area is signalled from a little
cupboard near the line control room some miles away. Train Reforms are
carried out a fair bit at Arnos Grove, which means a fair bit of
chopping and changing. There is usually excessive late running due to
poor timetabling/too many trains/poor signalling assets.

So it is more than likely that Boltar is correct. The staff at the
site can only know so much (sometimes the same as the customers). The
person operating the signalling equipment can only do so much at once,
that unfortunatly tehy may not, on every occasion be able to tell the
station staff.

This also occurs at a number of other locations over the network,
sadly even where the kit is a lot newer. That's what you get I suppose
for building train crew depots at stupid locations ie busy junctions.
They should be at the ends of each line!

Some new kit is arriving courtesy of Tube Lines which should improve
the information to staff. This is expected to be in about a year and a
half.

Oh and beware that the new timetable with running to Terminal 5 starts
in 3 weeks. It isn't very good and don't expect to be seeing a train
going to Terminal 4!

On 26 Dec, 18:41, D7666 wrote:
On Dec 26, 10:00 am, Boltar wrote:

Who knows why it left first , I don't care about that. What I do care
about is none of those good for nothing overpaid ******* hanging
around chatting

They may well have been involved with one of the scenarios explained
below. ''Platform briefings'' are a key safety element.

"platform briefings"? What , you mean chatting while drinking a
coffee?


I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

Well if it wasn't in service then the sole passenger I saw in the last
car was in for a surprise. Besides , how many out of service trains
sit at a platform with their doors open and lights on then leave
without any message from their driver?

[1] there is a possible infrastructure fault in section and a member
of operational staff is riding the section to inspect ahead of an in
service train

We left 3 minutes later , must've been fixed very quickly.


[2] these is an established infrastruture fault in section and the
train is to act as protection in section for technical officers while
the fault is diagnosed or corrected with staff on track ahead of it

See above.


[3] there is a now just-cleared infrastructure fault in section and
the train is required to act as a ''sweeper'' to prove all is clear

Any one of those could result in what you saw - a platform staff
brieifing and/or waiting authorisation followed by an empty train
move.

Never saw any "briefings". What I saw was a bunch of guys leaning
against the barriers chatting. When we left they were still doing it.


And any one of those could result in a stop of unknown duration in
section. Considering you are whinging greatly about a 3 min stop in a
platform, you'd prefer an unpredictable unexplained longer stop
between stations ?

Listen , I've been travelling on this line on and off for 10 years.
This sort of BS always happens at arnos grove. Your train pulls into
the platform , another train heads off in the same direction a few
minutes later with nothing being said. Usually with both trains with
plenty of ****ed off and usually late passengers. The service is
farcical and the staff lazy and unhelpful. I've lost count of the
number of times I've been in a train at a green signal while the new
driver slowly waltzes over presumably having dragged his fat arse off
the sofa. If they were the professionals they make out he'd be there
waiting for the train to arrive , get in and get on with it. Quite why
there needs to be a staff changover point anyway 3 stops down from a
major depot at the end of a line 40 odd stops long is anyones guess.

As i've said before I only use this line when I have to these days cos
frankly I'm sick to bloody death with it and I doubt I'm the only one.

B2003

On 26 Dec, 23:35, chunky munky wrote:
I hate to say it (as she/he does sound like a blinkered moron) but I

No , just someone who got fed up with paying through the nose for a
service that was second rate at best and with the endless lame
excuses that people on this group dish up for it. Perhaps other lines
are a dream to travel on , who knows , I only know what I see on the
piccadilly and occasionally victoria and circle lines.

Oh and beware that the new timetable with running to Terminal 5 starts
in 3 weeks. It isn't very good and don't expect to be seeing a train
going to Terminal 4!

Could they not run a shuttle service from 123 or hatton cross or does
the track/signalling not allow for it?

B2003

On Dec 27, 3:40 am, Boltar wrote:

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

Well if it wasn't in service then the sole passenger I saw in the last
car

Now you are changing your story.

If you care to scroll back and look, you wrote ''completely empty''.


--
Nick