Met to Aldgate
 

At about 19:30 on Friday (21st) I was waiting at Liverpool St for a Circle
Line train and 4 out of 5 trains shown on the board (before mine) were Met
trains to Aldgate (which presumably then had to turn around and travel
back).

I thought that the Aldgate bit only ran at rush hours and whilst I can see
that a last train at about 20:00 is reasonably still inside the "travel home
from the city" work hours, I can't believe that it has a two minute
frequency at that time of day.

Was there something special about the service on Friday, or is this a normal
service for the time of day.

tim

Met to Aldgate
 

I thought that the Aldgate bit only ran at rush hours and whilst I can see
that a last train at about 20:00 is reasonably still inside the "travel home
from the city" work hours, I can't believe that it has a two minute
frequency at that time of day.

Met trains to Uxbridge run to Aldgate at any time, not only during
peaks.
During peak hours extra trains from Amersham and Watford are added to
Aldgate service.

Two minute frequency was either because of previous overcrowding or in
response to Circle line usual "lack of drivers".

Met to Aldgate
 

On 23 Dec, 19:44, alex_t wrote:
I thought that the Aldgate bit only ran at rush hours and whilst I can see
that a last train at about 20:00 is reasonably still inside the "travel home
from the city" work hours, I can't believe that it has a two minute
frequency at that time of day.

Met trains to Uxbridge run to Aldgate at any time, not only during
peaks.
During peak hours extra trains from Amersham and Watford are added to
Aldgate service.

Two minute frequency was either because of previous overcrowding or in
response to Circle line usual "lack of drivers".

So a "lack of drivers" is a noted feature of the Circle line then?
CULG tells me that the Circle line is based at Hammersmith depot,
along with the H&C line (which presumably gets priority when it comes
to allocating drivers).

I rarely take the Circle line per se for journeys between High St Ken
and Gloucester Rd, and between Tower Hill and Aldgate - there are
often other better (more reliable, quicker etc) ways of making such
journeys.

Met to Aldgate
 

On Dec 23, 8:43*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 23 Dec, 19:44, alex_t wrote:

I thought that the Aldgate bit only ran at rush hours and whilst I can see
that a last train at about 20:00 is reasonably still inside the "travel home
from the city" work hours, I can't believe that it has a two minute
frequency at that time of day.

Met trains to Uxbridge run to Aldgate at any time, not only during
peaks.
During peak hours extra trains from Amersham and Watford are added to
Aldgate service.

Two minute frequency was either because of previous overcrowding or in
response to Circle line usual "lack of drivers".

So a "lack of drivers" is a noted feature of the Circle line then?
CULG tells me that the Circle line is based at Hammersmith depot,
along with the H&C line (which presumably gets priority when it comes
to allocating drivers).

I rarely take the Circle line per se for journeys between High St Ken
and Gloucester Rd, and between Tower Hill and Aldgate - there are
often other better (more reliable, quicker etc) ways of making such
journeys.


There had been problems at Baker Street on Friday earlier, so maybe
trains were bunched.

Earlier in the afternoon at Euston Square I saw Hammersmith-looking
and Metropolitan-looking trains in succession turning round at
Moorgate and had to wait a long time for a Barking.

Met to Aldgate
 

Mizter T wrote:
On 23 Dec, 19:44, alex_t wrote:
I thought that the Aldgate bit only ran at rush hours and whilst I
can see that a last train at about 20:00 is reasonably still inside
the "travel home from the city" work hours, I can't believe that it
has a two minute frequency at that time of day.

Met trains to Uxbridge run to Aldgate at any time, not only during
peaks.
During peak hours extra trains from Amersham and Watford are added to
Aldgate service.

Two minute frequency was either because of previous overcrowding or
in response to Circle line usual "lack of drivers".

So a "lack of drivers" is a noted feature of the Circle line then?
CULG tells me that the Circle line is based at Hammersmith depot,
along with the H&C line (which presumably gets priority when it comes
to allocating drivers).

I work down there - and the Circle line service (in particular the Outer
Rail service) has been rubbish all week. One evening, at about 18:00, they
were advising that the next clockwise Circle would not be for in excess of
fifteen minutes. I suspect that they've had crewing or stock problems this
week.

Met to Aldgate
 

"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
...

I work down there - and the Circle line service (in particular the Outer
Rail service) has been rubbish all week. One evening, at about 18:00, they
were advising that the next clockwise Circle would not be for in excess of
fifteen minutes. I suspect that they've had crewing or stock problems this
week.

As the Circle line frequency is 8.5 minutes, that would be one cancellation.
On most other lines, passengers wouldn't notice one cancellation, but on the
Circle and Hammersmith and City you do.

Met to Aldgate
 

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:54:58 GMT, "Jack Taylor"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
On 23 Dec, 19:44, alex_t wrote:
I thought that the Aldgate bit only ran at rush hours and whilst I
can see that a last train at about 20:00 is reasonably still inside
the "travel home from the city" work hours, I can't believe that it
has a two minute frequency at that time of day.

Met trains to Uxbridge run to Aldgate at any time, not only during
peaks.
During peak hours extra trains from Amersham and Watford are added to
Aldgate service.

Two minute frequency was either because of previous overcrowding or
in response to Circle line usual "lack of drivers".

So a "lack of drivers" is a noted feature of the Circle line then?
CULG tells me that the Circle line is based at Hammersmith depot,
along with the H&C line (which presumably gets priority when it comes
to allocating drivers).

I work down there - and the Circle line service (in particular the Outer
Rail service) has been rubbish all week. One evening, at about 18:00, they
were advising that the next clockwise Circle would not be for in excess of
fifteen minutes. I suspect that they've had crewing or stock problems this
week.

"Lack of drivers" was stated as a reason for "minor delays" on the H&C
on two days last week.

Met to Aldgate
 

On 24 Dec, 01:19, James Farrar wrote:
"Lack of drivers" was stated as a reason for "minor delays" on the H&C
on two days last week.

Perhaps they should advertise the jobs in Poland. Some people who are
prepared to work without whinging about everything and taking endless
sickies might be the kick up the arse certain people in LU need just
as it has been for decorators and various other professions.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On 24 Dec, 11:51, Boltar wrote:

Perhaps they should advertise the jobs in Poland. Some people who are
prepared to work without whinging about everything and taking endless
sickies might be the kick up the arse certain people in LU need just
as it has been for decorators and various other professions.

Although the reality might be different, with train operators on
maternity / paternity leave or taking short-term medication that
prevents them from driving trains.

Met to Aldgate
 

In message
,
" writes

Perhaps they should advertise the jobs in Poland. Some people who are
prepared to work without whinging about everything and taking endless
sickies might be the kick up the arse certain people in LU need just
as it has been for decorators and various other professions.

Although the reality might be different, with train operators on
maternity / paternity leave or taking short-term medication that
prevents them from driving trains.

Yeabut, Robin, Mr Boltar never lets things like that get in the way of
an opportunity to slag off LU or its staff.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

Met to Aldgate
 

On 24 Dec, 13:07, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
In message
,
" writes

Perhaps they should advertise the jobs in Poland. Some people who are
prepared to work without whinging about everything and taking endless
sickies might be the kick up the arse certain people in LU need just
as it has been for decorators and various other professions.

Although the reality might be different, with train operators on
maternity / paternity leave or taking short-term medication that
prevents them from driving trains.

Yeah , theres always some excuse.


Yeabut, Robin, Mr Boltar never lets things like that get in the way of
an opportunity to slag off LU or its staff.

Perhaps because its so ****ing useless and the staff indifferent to
passengers?

Want my latest example? Sitting at arnos grove in a southbound hoping
eventually to get to do my xmas shopping. 3 minutes after sitting
going nowhere the train in the middle platform heads off south
completely empty. Not once did the *FOUR* staff at the end of the
platform including the bloke in the cabin say a damn thing to anyone
even though the train had been sitting there with its doors open
longer than us and they must've known since I saw them chatting to its
driver.

So with that couldn't care less attitude to the passengers merry
****ing xmas to all you useless ******s at LUL.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

Well, the other evening (Poss Fri) at 5pm I was waiting at Aldgate and an
announcement was made saying that the next Westbound service was 21 minutes
away. However that was followed by the next Eastbound service was 24 mins
away

Met to Aldgate
 

On 25 Dec, 18:57, "Frank Incense" wrote:
Well, the other evening (Poss Fri) at 5pm I was waiting at Aldgate and an
announcement was made saying that the next Westbound service was 21 minutes
away. However that was followed by the next Eastbound service was 24 mins
away

Hope you claimed your refund!

Rest assured though that no doubt the drivers were all legitimately
off work , none of them had taken a sickie. Obviously management had
just forgotten to arrange cover. Though if cover were arranged with
people who could be bothered to work I'm sure said drivers would all
miraculously appear on a picket line, any prior engagements completely
forgotten.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On Dec 24, 9:24 am, Boltar wrote:

going nowhere the train in the middle platform heads off south
completely empty.

So was it even in service ?

It may have been going empty for a very good reason. Reasons that have
zero to do with you.

There is a world of difference between being held up for 3 mins
without explanation (which is a valid criticism) to being told the
precise operational details why a non passenger carrying train left in
front of you (which is none of your business).

I know of at least 3 reasons why an empty LU rtrain would be routed
like that ahead of a service train.

--
Nick

Met to Aldgate
 

On 26 Dec, 14:47, D7666 wrote:
On Dec 24, 9:24 am, Boltar wrote:

going nowhere the train in the middle platform heads off south
completely empty.

So was it even in service ?

Yes. I watched it head off to the next station.


It may have been going empty for a very good reason. Reasons that have
zero to do with you.

It was going empty because the platform indicators were wrong and
everyone got on our train. If it had been going out of service I'm
sure the driver of it would have checked the carriages for passengers
and closed the doors manually. He didn't.

There is a world of difference between being held up for 3 mins
without explanation (which is a valid criticism) to being told the
precise operational details why a non passenger carrying train left in
front of you (which is none of your business).

Who knows why it left first , I don't care about that. What I do care
about is none of those good for nothing overpaid ******* hanging
around chatting said a damn thing to us passengers so we could get on
it. Its not the first time this has happened either.

I know of at least 3 reasons why an empty LU rtrain would be routed
like that ahead of a service train.

Oh yeah? Care to elaborate any *good* reasons (as opposed to making LU
staffs lives easier reasons)?

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On Dec 26, 10:00 am, Boltar wrote:

Who knows why it left first , I don't care about that. What I do care
about is none of those good for nothing overpaid ******* hanging
around chatting

They may well have been involved with one of the scenarios explained
below. ''Platform briefings'' are a key safety element.

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

I know of at least 3 reasons why an empty LU rtrain would be routed
like that ahead of a service train.

Oh yeah? Care to elaborate any *good* reasons (as opposed to making LU
staffs lives easier reasons)?

Well I know you'd make some remark like that as you clearly don't take
any interest in plausible explanations or have any knowledge about
these things.

Since you have already made up your mind in anti-LU mode I'm probably
wasting my time but there might be others reading this who are
interested:

[1] there is a possible infrastructure fault in section and a member
of operational staff is riding the section to inspect ahead of an in
service train

[2] these is an established infrastruture fault in section and the
train is to act as protection in section for technical officers while
the fault is diagnosed or corrected with staff on track ahead of it

[3] there is a now just-cleared infrastructure fault in section and
the train is required to act as a ''sweeper'' to prove all is clear

Any one of those could result in what you saw - a platform staff
brieifing and/or waiting authorisation followed by an empty train
move.

And any one of those could result in a stop of unknown duration in
section. Considering you are whinging greatly about a 3 min stop in a
platform, you'd prefer an unpredictable unexplained longer stop
between stations ?

--
Nick

Met to Aldgate
 

On Dec 26, 6:41 pm, D7666 wrote:
On Dec 26, 10:00 am, Boltar wrote:

Who knows why it left first , I don't care about that. What I do care
about is none of those good for nothing overpaid ******* hanging
around chatting

They may well have been involved with one of the scenarios explained
below. ''Platform briefings'' are a key safety element.

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

I know of at least 3 reasons why an empty LU rtrain would be routed
like that ahead of a service train.

Oh yeah? Care to elaborate any *good* reasons (as opposed to making LU
staffs lives easier reasons)?

Well I know you'd make some remark like that as you clearly don't take
any interest in plausible explanations or have any knowledge about
these things.

Since you have already made up your mind in anti-LU mode I'm probably
wasting my time but there might be others reading this who are
interested:

[1] there is a possible infrastructure fault in section and a member
of operational staff is riding the section to inspect ahead of an in
service train

[2] these is an established infrastruture fault in section and the
train is to act as protection in section for technical officers while
the fault is diagnosed or corrected with staff on track ahead of it

[3] there is a now just-cleared infrastructure fault in section and
the train is required to act as a ''sweeper'' to prove all is clear

Any one of those could result in what you saw - a platform staff
brieifing and/or waiting authorisation followed by an empty train
move.

And any one of those could result in a stop of unknown duration in
section. Considering you are whinging greatly about a 3 min stop in a
platform, you'd prefer an unpredictable unexplained longer stop
between stations ?

--
Nick

I hate to say it (as she/he does sound like a blinkered moron) but I
can see Boltar's point. Of course it may be that there was no Train
Operator on the train that they were on, so by the time the signal
cleared it was best to get moving. I would hope that this would not be
the cas had the next train been a lot more than 3 minutes.

To bring a little background, that area is signalled from a little
cupboard near the line control room some miles away. Train Reforms are
carried out a fair bit at Arnos Grove, which means a fair bit of
chopping and changing. There is usually excessive late running due to
poor timetabling/too many trains/poor signalling assets.

So it is more than likely that Boltar is correct. The staff at the
site can only know so much (sometimes the same as the customers). The
person operating the signalling equipment can only do so much at once,
that unfortunatly tehy may not, on every occasion be able to tell the
station staff.

This also occurs at a number of other locations over the network,
sadly even where the kit is a lot newer. That's what you get I suppose
for building train crew depots at stupid locations ie busy junctions.
They should be at the ends of each line!

Some new kit is arriving courtesy of Tube Lines which should improve
the information to staff. This is expected to be in about a year and a
half.

Oh and beware that the new timetable with running to Terminal 5 starts
in 3 weeks. It isn't very good and don't expect to be seeing a train
going to Terminal 4!

Met to Aldgate
 

On 26 Dec, 18:41, D7666 wrote:
On Dec 26, 10:00 am, Boltar wrote:

Who knows why it left first , I don't care about that. What I do care
about is none of those good for nothing overpaid ******* hanging
around chatting

They may well have been involved with one of the scenarios explained
below. ''Platform briefings'' are a key safety element.

"platform briefings"? What , you mean chatting while drinking a
coffee?


I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

Well if it wasn't in service then the sole passenger I saw in the last
car was in for a surprise. Besides , how many out of service trains
sit at a platform with their doors open and lights on then leave
without any message from their driver?

[1] there is a possible infrastructure fault in section and a member
of operational staff is riding the section to inspect ahead of an in
service train

We left 3 minutes later , must've been fixed very quickly.


[2] these is an established infrastruture fault in section and the
train is to act as protection in section for technical officers while
the fault is diagnosed or corrected with staff on track ahead of it

See above.


[3] there is a now just-cleared infrastructure fault in section and
the train is required to act as a ''sweeper'' to prove all is clear

Any one of those could result in what you saw - a platform staff
brieifing and/or waiting authorisation followed by an empty train
move.

Never saw any "briefings". What I saw was a bunch of guys leaning
against the barriers chatting. When we left they were still doing it.


And any one of those could result in a stop of unknown duration in
section. Considering you are whinging greatly about a 3 min stop in a
platform, you'd prefer an unpredictable unexplained longer stop
between stations ?

Listen , I've been travelling on this line on and off for 10 years.
This sort of BS always happens at arnos grove. Your train pulls into
the platform , another train heads off in the same direction a few
minutes later with nothing being said. Usually with both trains with
plenty of ****ed off and usually late passengers. The service is
farcical and the staff lazy and unhelpful. I've lost count of the
number of times I've been in a train at a green signal while the new
driver slowly waltzes over presumably having dragged his fat arse off
the sofa. If they were the professionals they make out he'd be there
waiting for the train to arrive , get in and get on with it. Quite why
there needs to be a staff changover point anyway 3 stops down from a
major depot at the end of a line 40 odd stops long is anyones guess.

As i've said before I only use this line when I have to these days cos
frankly I'm sick to bloody death with it and I doubt I'm the only one.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On 26 Dec, 23:35, chunky munky wrote:
I hate to say it (as she/he does sound like a blinkered moron) but I

No , just someone who got fed up with paying through the nose for a
service that was second rate at best and with the endless lame
excuses that people on this group dish up for it. Perhaps other lines
are a dream to travel on , who knows , I only know what I see on the
piccadilly and occasionally victoria and circle lines.

Oh and beware that the new timetable with running to Terminal 5 starts
in 3 weeks. It isn't very good and don't expect to be seeing a train
going to Terminal 4!

Could they not run a shuttle service from 123 or hatton cross or does
the track/signalling not allow for it?

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On Dec 27, 3:40 am, Boltar wrote:

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

Well if it wasn't in service then the sole passenger I saw in the last
car

Now you are changing your story.

If you care to scroll back and look, you wrote ''completely empty''.


--
Nick

Met to Aldgate
 

On Dec 27, 4:14 am, Boltar wrote:

Could they not run a shuttle service from 123 or hatton cross or does
the track/signalling not allow for it?

What so you can whinge about shuttles not connecting with main
trains ?

Or shuttle delaying main trains.

Or any of that vice versa.

--
Nick

Met to Aldgate
 

"Boltar" wrote in message
...
On 26 Dec, 23:35, chunky munky wrote:
....
Oh and beware that the new timetable with running to Terminal 5 starts
in 3 weeks. It isn't very good and don't expect to be seeing a train
going to Terminal 4!

Could they not run a shuttle service from 123 or hatton cross or does
the track/signalling not allow for it?

6 trains an hour to T4, according to
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/5507.aspx
The other 6 trains an hour to T123 & T5.
There is, of course, also the service by Heathrow Express from T123 to T4,
which will be diverted to T5, from which time Heathrow Connect will provide
a service from T123 to T4.
--
David Biddulph

Met to Aldgate
 

Hi Boltar
Hope you had a happy Christmas and are breathing in the milk of human
kindness, so for at least 5 mins when you go back to work you'll be less
grumpy.

Anyway there's quite a good chance, errr no a massive chance that no one
bothered to tell the overpaid ******* that the wrong train was departing
first, those station ******* have to put up with all sorts of **** from
punters so I do hope and expect that you told them just how useless they
are.

Who knows why it left first , I don't care about that. What I do care
about is none of those good for nothing overpaid ******* hanging
around chatting said a damn thing to us passengers so we could get on
it. Its not the first time this has happened either.


B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On Dec 27, 12:55 pm, "David Biddulph" groups [at] biddulph.org.uk
wrote:
"Boltar" wrote in message

...

On 26 Dec, 23:35, chunky munky wrote:
...
Oh and beware that the new timetable with running to Terminal 5 starts
in 3 weeks. It isn't very good and don't expect to be seeing a train
going to Terminal 4!

Could they not run a shuttle service from 123 or hatton cross or does
the track/signalling not allow for it?

6 trains an hour to T4, according tohttp://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/5507.aspx
The other 6 trains an hour to T123 & T5.
There is, of course, also the service by Heathrow Express from T123 to T4,
which will be diverted to T5, from which time Heathrow Connect will provide
a service from T123 to T4.
--
David Biddulph

If they get 6 tph at regular 10 min intervals i'll eat my sister!

Met to Aldgate
 

On 27 Dec, 12:40, D7666 wrote:
On Dec 27, 3:40 am, Boltar wrote:

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

Well if it wasn't in service then the sole passenger I saw in the last
car

Now you are changing your story.

If you care to scroll back and look, you wrote ''completely empty''.

Fine , completely empty except for one person I saw. Maybe there were
more.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On 27 Dec, 13:18, "www.waspies.net" wrote:
Hi Boltar
Hope you had a happy Christmas and are breathing in the milk of human
kindness, so for at least 5 mins when you go back to work you'll be less
grumpy.

Anyway there's quite a good chance, errr no a massive chance that no one
bothered to tell the overpaid ******* that the wrong train was departing
first, those station ******* have to put up with all sorts of **** from
punters so I do hope and expect that you told them just how useless they
are.

Well , since they were standing all of 10 foot from the driving cab
and since they were chatting to the driver and since I assume they're
not colourblind and can tell the difference between a red and green
signal, one would have hoped one of them might have thought , just for
a millisecond, "hey , shouldn't we tell the passengers this train is
going first?". But lets face it , who am I kidding. This is LU staff ,
this is Britain today. Great it isn't.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:40:06 -0800 (PST), D7666
wrote:

On Dec 27, 3:40 am, Boltar wrote:

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

Well if it wasn't in service then the sole passenger I saw in the last
car

Now you are changing your story.

If you care to scroll back and look, you wrote ''completely empty''.

In other words, he lied.

Met to Aldgate
 

On 28 Dec, 09:02, James Farrar wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:40:06 -0800 (PST), D7666
wrote:

On Dec 27, 3:40 am, Boltar wrote:

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

Well if it wasn't in service then the sole passenger I saw in the last
car

Now you are changing your story.

If you care to scroll back and look, you wrote ''completely empty''.

In other words, he lied.

Oh FFS , does it matter if it was completely empty or had a couple of
passengers in? The point is no one mentioned to the few hundred
passengers in my train the there was another train leaving first
across the platform.

Next time it happens I'll try and count the pax in the other train
just for the pedants on here.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

Boltar wrote:
On 27 Dec, 13:18, "www.waspies.net" wrote:
Hi Boltar
Hope you had a happy Christmas and are breathing in the milk of human
kindness, so for at least 5 mins when you go back to work you'll be less
grumpy.

Anyway there's quite a good chance, errr no a massive chance that no one
bothered to tell the overpaid ******* that the wrong train was departing
first, those station ******* have to put up with all sorts of **** from
punters so I do hope and expect that you told them just how useless they
are.

Well , since they were standing all of 10 foot from the driving cab
and since they were chatting to the driver and since I assume they're
not colourblind and can tell the difference between a red and green
signal, one would have hoped one of them might have thought , just for
a millisecond, "hey , shouldn't we tell the passengers this train is
going first?". But lets face it , who am I kidding. This is LU staff ,
this is Britain today. Great it isn't.

B2003

WE'LL KEEP THE RED FLAG FLYING HERE

Met to Aldgate
 

The following are all the details that were missed out in your earlier
posts on the subject

Well , since they were standing all of 10 foot from the driving cab
and since they were chatting to the driver and since I assume they're
not colourblind and can tell the difference between a red and green
signal, one would have hoped one of them might have thought , just for
a millisecond, "hey , shouldn't we tell the passengers this train is
going first?". But lets face it , who am I kidding. This is LU staff ,
this is Britain today. Great it isn't.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On 28 Dec, 12:45, "www.waspies.net" wrote:
The following are all the details that were missed out in your earlier
posts on the subject

Which bit of the following from a previous post confused you:

"Not once did the *FOUR* staff at the end of the
platform including the bloke in the cabin say a damn thing to anyone
even though the train had been sitting there with its doors open
longer than us and they must've known since I saw them chatting to its
driver. "

?

Note the last 4 words in case you still don't get it.

Anyway , this is getting nowhere. All I see is people picking me up on
details , no one explaining why the staff were so bloody unhelpful.
Probably because there was no good reason - they just couldn't be
arsed.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On Dec 28, 5:48 pm, Boltar wrote:
On 28 Dec, 12:45, "www.waspies.net" wrote:

The following are all the details that were missed out in your earlier
posts on the subject

Which bit of the following from a previous post confused you:

"Not once did the *FOUR* staff at the end of the
platform including the bloke in the cabin say a damn thing to anyone
even though the train had been sitting there with its doors open
longer than us and they must've known since I saw them chatting to its
driver. "

?

Note the last 4 words in case you still don't get it.

Anyway , this is getting nowhere. All I see is people picking me up on
details , no one explaining why the staff were so bloody unhelpful.
Probably because there was no good reason - they just couldn't be
arsed.

B2003

I have already asked you (but don't think you had answered). Did the
train that you were on have an Operator on? Was the cab live (ie, if
you could see were the orange lights on on the side of the train).

The Train Op on the train that you were on should have really made a
PA. If there wasn't one then another could have made the PA, however
some are reluctant to "touch" someone else's train in case they get
blamed for breaking it, such is the politics involved in something so
simple. Where I used to work was a bit like Arnos Grove, but as it was
more localised the information flow was much better.

Met to Aldgate
 

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:39:25 -0800 (PST), Boltar
wrote:

On 28 Dec, 09:02, James Farrar wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:40:06 -0800 (PST), D7666
wrote:

On Dec 27, 3:40 am, Boltar wrote:

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

Well if it wasn't in service then the sole passenger I saw in the last
car

Now you are changing your story.

If you care to scroll back and look, you wrote ''completely empty''.

In other words, he lied.

Oh FFS , does it matter if it was completely empty or had a couple of
passengers in?

Yes, it does.

Met to Aldgate
 

On Dec 29, 5:08*am, James Farrar wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:39:25 -0800 (PST), Boltar





wrote:
On 28 Dec, 09:02, James Farrar wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:40:06 -0800 (PST), D7666
wrote:

On Dec 27, 3:40 am, Boltar wrote:

I ask again, if it were empty as you earlier said, and not indicated,
as you are now saying, how do you know it was in service ? Its not
indication may well have been the correct indication!

Well if it wasn't in service then the sole passenger I saw in the last
car

Now you are changing your story.

If you care to scroll back and look, you wrote ''completely empty''.

In other words, he lied.

Oh FFS , does it matter if it was completely empty or had a couple of
passengers in?

Yes, it does


If you have an objection to the ranting abuse of LU staff in general
(and such an objection might or might not be justified) then it would
be reasonable to make it here.

If you have an objection to the bizarre politics of the poster, it is
probably better to make it elsewhere (although I've been drawn into it
in the past, so I can't criticise).

Objecting purely to the accuracy of irrelevant detail is the sort of
obsessiveness that gives enthusiasts a bad name, and shouldn't really
have any place at all.

A minor inaccuracy in the telling of the story doesn't justify
unhelpfulness by staff. In this case, the presence of a couple of
passengers strengthens the accusation that the staff were unhelpful,
becuase it provides evidence that the train was in service.

Met to Aldgate
 

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 02:29:58 -0800 (PST), MIG
wrote:

Objecting purely to the accuracy of irrelevant detail is the sort of
obsessiveness that gives enthusiasts a bad name, and shouldn't really
have any place at all.

A minor inaccuracy in the telling of the story doesn't justify
unhelpfulness by staff. In this case, the presence of a couple of
passengers strengthens the accusation that the staff were unhelpful,
becuase it provides evidence that the train was in service.

Right. Hence it's neither an irrelevant detail nor a minor inaccuracy.

Met to Aldgate
 

On 28 Dec, 18:01, chunky munky wrote:
I have already asked you (but don't think you had answered). Did the
train that you were on have an Operator on? Was the cab live (ie, if
you could see were the orange lights on on the side of the train).

Yup. He drove us there. Maybe he legged it when we arrived, I didn't
see.

B2003

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On 29 Dec, 14:02, James Farrar wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 02:29:58 -0800 (PST), MIG

wrote:
Objecting purely to the accuracy of irrelevant detail is the sort of
obsessiveness that gives enthusiasts a bad name, and shouldn't really
have any place at all.

A minor inaccuracy in the telling of the story doesn't justify
unhelpfulness by staff. In this case, the presence of a couple of
passengers strengthens the accusation that the staff were unhelpful,
becuase it provides evidence that the train was in service.

Right. Hence it's neither an irrelevant detail nor a minor inaccuracy.

I already said the train was in service. WTF does it matter if a
couple or people were in it or not? Stop pretending you're making any
valid contribution to the argument by nit picking. Anyway the fact
that so many people seem willing to defend the lack of info to the
public on what purports to be a public service just reinforces my
rather negative view of a certain section of LU staff.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

No Bolt me old china, it's all personal, it's just YOU that staff don't
like....do you happen to use Osterley station?


Anyway , this is getting nowhere. All I see is people picking me up on
details , no one explaining why the staff were so bloody unhelpful.
Probably because there was no good reason - they just couldn't be
arsed.

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

On 29 Dec, 19:18, "www.waspies.net" wrote:
No Bolt me old china, it's all personal, it's just YOU that staff don't
like....do you happen to use Osterley station?

No , why? You and your comrades managed to **** off someone there too?

B2003

Met to Aldgate
 

Boltar wrote:
On 29 Dec, 19:18, "www.waspies.net" wrote:
No Bolt me old china, it's all personal, it's just YOU that staff don't
like....do you happen to use Osterley station?

No , why? You and your comrades managed to **** off someone there too?

B2003

No just hoping you are my brother in law that's all! and yes he is
****ed off but that's the Scottish condition, that and heart failure.