It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of
the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.
--
Clive.

On 3 Jan, 17:02, "Clive." wrote:
It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of
the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.

Hmm. Presumably London pensioners aren't allowed to use (for free)
Metrolink, Merseyrail, T&W Metro, Supertram, etc...?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

"John B" wrote in message
...
On 3 Jan, 17:02, "Clive." wrote:
It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of
the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.

Hmm. Presumably London pensioners aren't allowed to use (for free)
Metrolink, Merseyrail, T&W Metro, Supertram, etc...?


I don't think the respective local pensioners can use them free either - its
only a national bus pass scheme the government have insisted upon isn't it?

Paul

Clive. ("Clive." ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of
the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.

Non-Londoner pensioners can use the bus in London.

Can non-Sheffield/Brum/Manc pensioners use the trams/light-rail in those
cities?

On 3 Jan, 17:02, "Clive." wrote:
It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of
the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.
--
Clive.

Free local bus travel across England for those 60+ and yet you have a
gripe!

Saying that the Tube is "standard PT in London" is pretty nonsensical.
Plenty of people (under 60) travel by bus rather than the Tube because
bus fares and bus passes are cheaper.

I'm not sure how the English National bus pass scheme will be financed
but in London the Freedom Pass has been funded by the local borough
councils, who will evidently continue to fund the Freedom Pass scheme
for travel on the Tube and railways in London (there is an ongoing
dispute between the London borough councils and TfL as to the amount
they pay for this, but that's another issue).

If you want to reduce the cost of travelling by Tube then if you hold
a Senior Railcard you can now have a discount concession loaded on to
your Oyster card which will mean that your off-peak daily cap will be
a third less than the standard cap.

On 3 Jan, 17:53, Mizter T wrote:
On 3 Jan, 17:02, "Clive." wrote:

It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of
the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.
--
Clive.

Free local bus travel across England for those 60+ and yet you have a
gripe!

Saying that the Tube is "standard PT in London" is pretty nonsensical.
Plenty of people (under 60) travel by bus rather than the Tube because
bus fares and bus passes are cheaper.

I'm not sure how the English National bus pass scheme will be financed
but in London the Freedom Pass has been funded by the local borough
councils, who will evidently continue to fund the Freedom Pass scheme
for travel on the Tube and railways in London (there is an ongoing
dispute between the London borough councils and TfL as to the amount
they pay for this, but that's another issue).

(snip)


Take a look at this promotional poster for the English national bus
pass scheme...
http://www.dft.gov.uk/144130/165192/...ressadvert.jpg
or via http://tinyurl.com/25xyf6

....and not the small print:
-----
* Some authorities choose to fund additional benefits to their
residents, e.g. train, tram or peak time bus travel. As a general
rule, these additional benefits will only be available to local
residents.
-----

There's no bias. There's free bus travel on all local buses across
England for all English residents. Depending upon where you live, you
may get more in your local area, but that is a matter for your local
authority.

On Jan 3, 5:02*pm, "Clive." wrote:
It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of
the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.
--
Clive.

But the tube is not 'standard' PT in London, it is just part of a
system which also relies heavily on buses. And bus provision in
London is much better than most other places - doesn't that even
things up a bit?

In article ,
(Clive.) wrote:

It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the
public transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot
make use of the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners
down there can.

Blame the Government. They have made the silly rules on this free bus
scheme.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Clive." wrote in message
...
It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of the
tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.

Quite right. I'm all for equality.

Pensioners have the same size backsides as other travellers (some, due to
living on chewing leather and oversweetened beer for nourishment during the
war years, now have HUGE rear ends) and should all pay full price.

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

On 4 Jan, 00:39, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article ,

(Clive.) wrote:
It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the
public transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot
make use of the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners
down there can.

Blame the Government. They have made the silly rules on this free bus
scheme.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Are they really such silly rules? Would you let all English pensioners
use the railway network across England for example?