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On Jan 3, 5:53 pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 3 Jan, 17:02, "Clive." wrote: It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can. -- Clive. Free local bus travel across England for those 60+ and yet you have a gripe! .... LOROL!! I thought that was very funny as well... staring intently at a gift horse's teeth! It reminds me of the parable of the workers in the vineyards. |
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of Fri, 4 Jan 2008 02:32:03 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T writes [snip] Are they really such silly rules? Would you let all English pensioners use the railway network across England for example? I believe pensioner train travel has been free in the Irish Republic for some time. I do not know what the limitations of the scheme are. I am uncomfortable with the traffic implications of free travel. -- Walter Briscoe |
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Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message of Fri, 4 Jan 2008 02:32:03 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T writes [snip] Are they really such silly rules? Would you let all English pensioners use the railway network across England for example? I believe pensioner train travel has been free in the Irish Republic for some time. I do not know what the limitations of the scheme are. ICBW, but I seem to remember reading that the Republic of Ireland has a significantly younger population than the UK - more yoofs and fewer wrinklies than here. It might make a difference. I am uncomfortable with the traffic implications of free travel. Paying lots for a ticket for a long trip, then having to give up the seat to a miserable old git who is riding round in circles because it is free. Shades of teenagers struggling to do school work in public libraries full of half-mad old biddies shouting to each other. -- Arthur "tolerance" Figgis |
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In message , Paul Scott
writes By the way, how do TfL calculate/reimburse the travel costs of Freedom Pass holders on National Rail in the London area? It's worth pointing out that 60+ residents in the West Midlands get local train travel, too, as do those in some (but not all) other PTE areas. As the new scheme is for free *bus* travel, this is all it gives. Some local authorities will continue to finance extra benefits such as train/metro travel but these are funded locally and are not part of the national scheme. I am a believer in free local travel for older people, not as a poverty-relieving measure but as a tangible "gift" from society to someone who has attained a certain age. A bit like a more useful version of the traditional retirement clock, if that's not too fanciful. I do however, see some *very* problematic consequences of this in some areas for demographic reasons; Blackpool and Torquay spring to mind. (Notwithstanding the above, will the scheme give free bus travel in Blackpool to "visiting" 60+ people but exclude the trams?) -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:32:28 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote: There's a real possibility that the free bus travel will wipe out daytime train travel by the over 60s in some rural areas. I'm sure one of the regional rail companies has already found this. South Wales perhaps? Before the current scheme went live, Stagecoach were planning to increase capacity on some south coast services, on the expectation that there would be a transfer from paid-for rail to free bus. The 700 service between Brighton and Portsmouth has seen considerable enhancement in frequency. Just how much transfer there has been between modes does not seem to have been studied, or if it has, the results have not been published. Personally, on the odd occasions when I wish to go to Brighton, I now walk to the end of the lane and catch the bus, rather than drive to the Park and Ride, or catch the train, having driven to the station and paid to park. -- Terry Harper Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society http://www.omnibussoc.org |
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In message , Ian Jelf
writes I am a believer in free local travel for older people, not as a poverty-relieving measure but as a tangible "gift" from society to someone who has attained a certain age. I find this very offensive. I've paid full tax and N.I. All my life, why should I now be a second class citizen to a "Londoner"? -- Clive. |
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Clive. wrote:
In message , Ian Jelf writes I am a believer in free local travel for older people, not as a poverty-relieving measure but as a tangible "gift" from society to someone who has attained a certain age. I find this very offensive. I've paid full tax and N.I. All my life, why should I now be a second class citizen to a "Londoner"? Because your council has not opted to fund free travel on local trains for you, whereas those in London have. It's called local democracy. It means your council tax is lower. Some people might regard that as an advantage. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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In message , Walter Briscoe
writes I believe pensioner train travel has been free in the Irish Republic for some time. I do not know what the limitations of the scheme are. Age 66+ in the republic (compared with 60+ for the bus pass scheme in England). As I recall, life expectancy in the republic is almost 2 years less than that in England, and the average age is almost 3 years less. All of which combines to make such a scheme much more viable in the republic than in England. -- Paul Terry |
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