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lonelytraveller January 13th 08 03:32 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
When it was first planned, Liverpool Street Central Line station was
to have direct-to-platform lifts (which is why the platforms are so
far apart), but just before it was built the plans were changed to use
escalators instead (these are probably the middle set of escalators,
each in their own shaft). However, they kept one of the lift shafts in
the plans, built it, but fitted it out with a spiral staircase.

Where is that spiral staircase?
Does it still exist?


I'm also curious about the connection to Broad Street. The surface
building would have been to the SW of the platforms, slightly beyond
the southern headwall and then to the west. So how was the connection
made to it?

There are escalators between the two platforms heading south, but
presumably these were added when Liverpool Street mainline station was
rebuilt, so was there previously some access to broad street in their
place?

Or perhaps the two passages through the platforms' southern headwalls,
which seem to have a couple of steps further down them, are something
to do with the access?




MIG January 13th 08 03:49 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On 13 Jan, 16:32, lonelytraveller
wrote:
When it was first planned, Liverpool Street Central Line station was
to have direct-to-platform lifts (which is why the platforms are so
far apart), but just before it was built the plans were changed to use
escalators instead (these are probably the middle set of escalators,
each in their own shaft). However, they kept one of the lift shafts in
the plans, built it, but fitted it out with a spiral staircase.

Where is that spiral staircase?
Does it still exist?


I had a feeling I'd used one there, but it could be a figment of my
imagination.



I'm also curious about the connection to Broad Street. The surface
building would have been to the SW of the platforms, slightly beyond
the southern headwall and then to the west. So how was the connection
made to it?


The stations were at very different levels (Liverpool Street in a
cutting and Broad Street on a viaduct). I can't remember there being
any route between the two except via the street.

If I remember rightly, there was a continuation of Eldon Street which
passed the front of the station, and there were steps leading up into
the concourse. That bit of street is now obliterated.


There are escalators between the two platforms heading south, but
presumably these were added when Liverpool Street mainline station was
rebuilt, so was there previously some access to broad street in their
place?



There were always escalators at that end, but that exit wasn't always
open. There used to be single escalators, each in its own passage.

As I remember, the external exits were in Liverpool Street (from the
Circle, as now), at the back of LS station concourse ( from the West
end of the Central, or the Circle, as now) and another one near the LS
ticket barriers (similar to now I guess, from the East end of the
Central). I don't remember any direct exit from the Underground to
Broad Street.

But my memory is a bit confused, because I also remember coming out in
a subway with signs to different platform number ranges at LS, which
related to the fact that two middle platforms went much further back
into the concourse, so to proceed between the platforms either side of
them you had to either walk round the buffers, go through the subway
or go over the top (on a raised walkway).


Or perhaps the two passages through the platforms' southern headwalls,
which seem to have a couple of steps further down them, are something
to do with the access?



MIG January 13th 08 03:56 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On 13 Jan, 16:49, MIG wrote:
On 13 Jan, 16:32, lonelytraveller

wrote:
When it was first planned, Liverpool Street Central Line station was
to have direct-to-platform lifts (which is why the platforms are so
far apart), but just before it was built the plans were changed to use
escalators instead (these are probably the middle set of escalators,
each in their own shaft). However, they kept one of the lift shafts in
the plans, built it, but fitted it out with a spiral staircase.


Where is that spiral staircase?
Does it still exist?


I had a feeling I'd used one there, but it could be a figment of my
imagination.



I'm also curious about the connection to Broad Street. The surface
building would have been to the SW of the platforms, slightly beyond
the southern headwall and then to the west. So how was the connection
made to it?


The stations were at very different levels (Liverpool Street in a
cutting and Broad Street on a viaduct). *I can't remember there being
any route between the two except via the street.

If I remember rightly, there was a continuation of Eldon Street which
passed the front of the station, and there were steps leading up into
the concourse. *That bit of street is now obliterated.



There are escalators between the two platforms heading south, but
presumably these were added when Liverpool Street mainline station was
rebuilt, so was there previously some access to broad street in their
place?


There were always escalators at that end, but that exit wasn't always
open. *There used to be single escalators, each in its own passage.



Rereading that bit, the escalators I was talking about were heading
northish, ie in the line direction towards Bethnal Green. I am sure
that they merely led to an exit nearer the Liverpool Street ticket
barriers, and nothing to do with Broad Street.

lonelytraveller January 13th 08 08:14 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On 13 Jan, 16:56, MIG wrote:
On 13 Jan, 16:49, MIG wrote:
On 13 Jan, 16:32, lonelytraveller wrote:
When it was first planned, Liverpool Street Central Line station was
to have direct-to-platform lifts (which is why the platforms are so
far apart), but just before it was built the plans were changed to use
escalators instead (these are probably the middle set of escalators,
each in their own shaft). However, they kept one of the lift shafts in
the plans, built it, but fitted it out with a spiral staircase.


Where is that spiral staircase?
Does it still exist?

I had a feeling I'd used one there, but it could be a figment of my

imagination.
I've found this pictu http://www.ltmcollection.org/images/...76/9865076.jpg
which seems to show some sort of stairs, but I can't work out how that
fits into the modern layout, or what it actually represents

There were always escalators at that end, but that exit wasn't always
open. There used to be single escalators, each in its own passage.


Rereading that bit, the escalators I was talking about were heading
northish, ie in the line direction towards Bethnal Green. I am sure
that they merely led to an exit nearer the Liverpool Street ticket
barriers, and nothing to do with Broad Street.


That's the middle set of escalators, until the 90s that side of
liverpool street mainline station didn't begin until much further
north, roughly where the northern ticket hall for the central line is
now (which is why that ticket hall is in that position). Here's a
photograph of the exterior before the 90s:
http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/England%20Photos/London,%20Liverpool%20Street%20Station%201920's.jp g
and the same view afterwards (at night) from a very similar point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:L...rior_night.jpg

I don't remember any direct exit from the Underground to Broad Street.

Here's a picture of the entrance at the surface:
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s.../index50.shtml
Here's what it looked like from the inside:
http://www.ltmcollection.org/images/...70/9865070.jpg
and also (from the other direction): http://www.ltmcollection.org/images/best/72/9865072.jpg
I don't know how it fits together at platform level.

MIG January 13th 08 08:58 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On 13 Jan, 21:14, lonelytraveller
wrote:
On 13 Jan, 16:56, MIG wrote: On 13 Jan, 16:49, MIG wrote:
On 13 Jan, 16:32, lonelytraveller wrote:
When it was first planned, Liverpool Street Central Line station was
to have direct-to-platform lifts (which is why the platforms are so
far apart), but just before it was built the plans were changed to use
escalators instead (these are probably the middle set of escalators,
each in their own shaft). However, they kept one of the lift shafts in
the plans, built it, but fitted it out with a spiral staircase.


Where is that spiral staircase?
Does it still exist?
I had a feeling I'd used one there, but it could be a figment of my


imagination.
I've found this pictuhttp://www.ltmcollection.org/images/...76/9865076.jpg
which seems to show some sort of stairs, but I can't work out how that
fits into the modern layout, or what it actually represents

There were always escalators at that end, but that exit wasn't always
open. *There used to be single escalators, each in its own passage.


Rereading that bit, the escalators I was talking about were heading
northish, ie in the line direction towards Bethnal Green. *I am sure
that they merely led to an exit nearer the Liverpool Street ticket
barriers, and nothing to do with Broad Street.


That's the middle set of escalators, until the 90s that side of
liverpool street mainline station didn't begin until much further
north, roughly where the northern ticket hall for the central line is
now (which is why that ticket hall is in that position). Here's a
photograph of the exterior before the 90s:http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/...ndon,%20Liverp...
and the same view afterwards (at night) from a very similar point:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:L...tion_exterior_...


I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the arcade
below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks as if the
taxis went down the side of the station, as at Paddington, rather than
the station starting further back.

Broad Street is on the viaduct on the left.



I don't remember any direct exit from the Underground to Broad Street.


Here's a picture of the entrance at the surface:http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s.../index50.shtml
Here's what it looked like from the inside:http://www.ltmcollection.org/images/...70/9865070.jpg
and also (from the other direction):http://www.ltmcollection.org/images/best/72/9865072.jpg
I don't know how it fits together at platform level.


The main Underground ticket hall is not that different from how it
was, in that you went in facing south and then straight on towards the
circle line clockwise platform, from which you could take a bridge
over to the anticlockwise and also to the exit on the opposite side of
Liverpool Street.

You turned right and right again, as now, to go down the main Central
Line escalators.

This was also the main Broad Street exit as well. I'd forgotten that
there must have been a subway linking down the road to Broad Street,
but this would have been just below the surface and not related to
anything at the Central Line platform level.

I am sure that the escalators at the north end of the Central were
just for peak access to the main Liverpool Street platforms. The
picture you have found shows an Underground exit at the front of Broad
Street, just to the West of the main Underground ticket hall.
Escalators at the north end of the Central Line wouldn't have got you
any nearer to this.

Colin Rosenstiel January 13th 08 10:46 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
In article
,
(MIG) wrote:


I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the arcade
below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks as if the
taxis went down the side of the station, as at Paddington, rather than
the station starting further back.

Broad Street is on the viaduct on the left.


....

The main Underground ticket hall is not that different from how it
was, in that you went in facing south and then straight on towards the
circle line clockwise platform, from which you could take a bridge
over to the anticlockwise and also to the exit on the opposite side of
Liverpool Street.

You turned right and right again, as now, to go down the main Central
Line escalators.

This was also the main Broad Street exit as well. I'd forgotten that
there must have been a subway linking down the road to Broad Street,
but this would have been just below the surface and not related to
anything at the Central Line platform level.

I am sure that the escalators at the north end of the Central were
just for peak access to the main Liverpool Street platforms. The
picture you have found shows an Underground exit at the front of Broad
Street, just to the West of the main Underground ticket hall.
Escalators at the north end of the Central Line wouldn't have got
you any nearer to this.


The taxis went in and out as in one of the photos,
http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/...,%20Liverpool%
20Street%20Station%201920's.jpg, roughly where the escalators are now.

So, instead of direct cycle access to the platforms from the street, you
now have to get up a few steps and down a substantial staircase (or
escalator), or else go on a detour equivalent to the frontage of Broad St
station and back walking through the Broadgate shopping centre, instead.

This great planning success was for the London terminal at the time still
the principal one for services to Britain's premier cycling city,
Cambridge. Pillocks!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] January 14th 08 03:35 AM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line
plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which
lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these
lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR
station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre
was built in the mid-1980s.


MIG January 14th 08 06:22 AM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On 14 Jan, 04:35, wrote:
There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line
plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which
lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these
lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR
station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre
was built in the mid-1980s.


That makes sense. It would have to be at that (ie south) end of the
Central Line platforms. Presumably the passage leading to it was
tucked behind where the main escalators still are.

Do you know when it was last in use?

Tom Anderson January 14th 08 01:58 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article
,
(MIG) wrote:

I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the arcade
below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks as if the
taxis went down the side of the station, as at Paddington, rather than
the station starting further back.


So, instead of direct cycle access to the platforms from the street, you
now have to get up a few steps and down a substantial staircase (or
escalator), or else go on a detour equivalent to the frontage of Broad
St station and back walking through the Broadgate shopping centre,
instead.

This great planning success was for the London terminal at the time
still the principal one for services to Britain's premier cycling city,
Cambridge. Pillocks!


Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every morning to
run up and down the steps carrying your bike would be excellent training
for breakaways and hill attacks.

It's a shame they didn't put in a ramp inside the station, rising from
ground level at the west (Broadgate centre) end to the level of the
elevated walkways (and so the street) at the east end. Would have been
very handy, although i'm not entirely sure quite where you'd put it.

tom

--
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity -- Hanlon's Razor

MIG January 14th 08 02:39 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On Jan 14, 7:22*am, MIG wrote:
On 14 Jan, 04:35, wrote:

There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line
plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which
lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these
lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR
station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre
was built in the mid-1980s.


That makes sense. *It would have to be at that (ie south) end of the
Central Line platforms. *Presumably the passage leading to it was
tucked behind where the main escalators still are.

Do you know when it was last in use?


And further to that, the 1983 picture showed an Underground exit in
the street at the front of Broad Street. By then, that would have led
to a subway to where the main Underground ticket hall is now.

Did the lift shaft lead into that subway, or was there an exit right
inside Broad Street Station itself?

lonelytraveller January 14th 08 07:07 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On 14 Jan, 04:35, wrote:
There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line
plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which
lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these
lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR
station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre
was built in the mid-1980s.


Ah, thanks. Do you think they might reopen those tunnels if the
Crossrail plan goes ahead unchanged?

lonelytraveller January 14th 08 07:16 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On 14 Jan, 04:35, wrote:
There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line
plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which
lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these
lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR
station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre
was built in the mid-1980s.


Do you happen to know where the spiral staircase was, and what
happened to it?

Colin Rosenstiel January 14th 08 07:41 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article

,
(MIG) wrote:

I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the
arcade below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks
as if the taxis went down the side of the station, as at
Paddington, rather than the station starting further back.


So, instead of direct cycle access to the platforms from the
street, you now have to get up a few steps and down a substantial
staircase (or escalator), or else go on a detour equivalent to
the frontage of Broad St station and back walking through the
Broadgate shopping centre, instead.

This great planning success was for the London terminal at the
time still the principal one for services to Britain's premier
cycling city, Cambridge. Pillocks!


Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every
morning to run up and down the steps carrying your bike would be
excellent training for breakaways and hill attacks.

It's a shame they didn't put in a ramp inside the station, rising
from ground level at the west (Broadgate centre) end to the level
of the elevated walkways (and so the street) at the east end. Would
have been very handy, although i'm not entirely sure quite where
you'd put it.


You're right of course. Cyclists should be fit enough. However, it was a
massive step backwards for users of wheelchairs and children's buggies.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] January 14th 08 09:27 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On 14 Jan, 20:16, lonelytraveller
wrote:
On 14 Jan, 04:35, wrote:

There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line
plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which
lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these
lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR
station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre
was built in the mid-1980s.


Do you happen to know where the spiral staircase was, and what
happened to it?


The is a "lift shaft" type area located between the platforms towards
the middle. It's now a pump room (the pump was prone to fail not so
long ago, causing flooding on the platform). As others have said, the
escalator shaft towards Broad Street was located at the west end of
the platforms, up some stairs and along a passage, coming out where
the bus station now is.

Tom Anderson January 14th 08 11:55 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article

,
(MIG) wrote:

I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the
arcade below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks
as if the taxis went down the side of the station, as at
Paddington, rather than the station starting further back.

So, instead of direct cycle access to the platforms from the
street, you now have to get up a few steps and down a substantial
staircase (or escalator), or else go on a detour equivalent to
the frontage of Broad St station and back walking through the
Broadgate shopping centre, instead.

This great planning success was for the London terminal at the
time still the principal one for services to Britain's premier
cycling city, Cambridge. Pillocks!


Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every
morning to run up and down the steps carrying your bike would be
excellent training for breakaways and hill attacks.

It's a shame they didn't put in a ramp inside the station, rising
from ground level at the west (Broadgate centre) end to the level
of the elevated walkways (and so the street) at the east end. Would
have been very handy, although i'm not entirely sure quite where
you'd put it.


You're right of course. Cyclists should be fit enough. However, it was a
massive step backwards for users of wheelchairs and children's buggies.


Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every morning to
run up and down the steps carrying your wheelchair or children's buggy
would be excellent training for breakaways and hill attacks.

Well, okay, maybe not in all cases.

Is there not a lift? DDA and all that?

tom

--
Transform your language.

lonelytraveller January 15th 08 07:47 AM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
Do you happen to know where the spiral staircase was, and what
happened to it?


The is a "lift shaft" type area located between the platforms towards
the middle. It's now a pump room (the pump was prone to fail not so
long ago, causing flooding on the platform). As others have said, the
escalator shaft towards Broad Street was located at the west end of
the platforms, up some stairs and along a passage, coming out where
the bus station now is.


So I assume its been capped now at the ticket hall level, so that they
can have that newer set of escalators to the north?
But is the shaft completely blocked up, or can you still get to it
from a newer staircase, as, perhaps, an emergency escape?

What is it pumping out? (obviously water, but where is it coming from
in such heavy quantities to cause flooding - does the walbrook pass by
there?)

[email protected] January 15th 08 09:12 AM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On 15 Jan, 08:47, lonelytraveller
wrote:

So I assume its been capped now at the ticket hall level, so that they
can have that newer set of escalators to the north?
But is the shaft completely blocked up, or can you still get to it
from a newer staircase, as, perhaps, an emergency escape?


I must admit, I never actually looked up - mainly due to the smell
inside. It was always more a case of, open door, take a deep breath,
go in, reset the pump and get out before breathing again ;-)

What is it pumping out? (obviously water, but where is it coming from
in such heavy quantities to cause flooding - does the walbrook pass by
there?)


It's the lowest sump of the station. It wasn't down to the quantity of
water being pumped out that caused the flooding, it was the pump
repeatedly breaking down due to being life expired.


Colin Rosenstiel January 15th 08 04:02 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article

,
(MIG) wrote:

I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the
arcade below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks
as if the taxis went down the side of the station, as at
Paddington, rather than the station starting further back.

So, instead of direct cycle access to the platforms from the
street, you now have to get up a few steps and down a substantial
staircase (or escalator), or else go on a detour equivalent to
the frontage of Broad St station and back walking through the
Broadgate shopping centre, instead.

This great planning success was for the London terminal at the
time still the principal one for services to Britain's premier
cycling city, Cambridge. Pillocks!

Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every
morning to run up and down the steps carrying your bike would be
excellent training for breakaways and hill attacks.

It's a shame they didn't put in a ramp inside the station, rising
from ground level at the west (Broadgate centre) end to the level
of the elevated walkways (and so the street) at the east end. Would
have been very handy, although i'm not entirely sure quite where
you'd put it.


You're right of course. Cyclists should be fit enough. However,
it was a massive step backwards for users of wheelchairs and
children's buggies.


Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every
morning to run up and down the steps carrying your wheelchair or
children's buggy would be excellent training for breakaways and
hill attacks.

Well, okay, maybe not in all cases.


:-)

Is there not a lift? DDA and all that?


Not that I've noticed, so therefore stuck away in a corner, I guess.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Mr Thant January 15th 08 04:15 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On 15 Jan, 17:02, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
Not that I've noticed, so therefore stuck away in a corner, I guess.


It's very well hidden:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...ool_Street.jpg

That photo's taken on the upper concourse above the tube station
entrance.

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

Walter Briscoe January 15th 08 04:42 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
In message
of
Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:15:30 in uk.transport.london, Mr Thant
writes
On 15 Jan, 17:02, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
Not that I've noticed, so therefore stuck away in a corner, I guess.


It's very well hidden:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...ool_Street.jpg

That photo's taken on the upper concourse above the tube station
entrance.


The other stops a
-1 in the One ticket Hall to the right of all the ticket windows;
-2 in the Circle, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan ticket hall to the
left of the main entry steps.

This gives eastbound DDA access from Platform 1; unofficial westbound
access involves interchange at Aldgate - either take Circle and swap
from platform 4 to Metropolitan on platform 3 or take Metropolitan and
wait to go west.

I apologise I am reminded of 7/7/2005. There is a memorial which always
has fresh flowers in the ticket hall. I happened on preparations for a
memorial service at 11.00 on the closest Sunday in 2007. I was unable to
stay and attend. I shall try to attend in 2008.
--
Walter Briscoe

Sir Benjamin Nunn January 21st 08 02:07 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 

"lonelytraveller" wrote in
message
...
Do you happen to know where the spiral staircase was, and what
happened to it?


The is a "lift shaft" type area located between the platforms towards
the middle. It's now a pump room (the pump was prone to fail not so
long ago, causing flooding on the platform). As others have said, the
escalator shaft towards Broad Street was located at the west end of
the platforms, up some stairs and along a passage, coming out where
the bus station now is.


So I assume its been capped now at the ticket hall level, so that they
can have that newer set of escalators to the north?



I think it's to the more extreme West of the site than that.

I had a little wander around Liverpool St the other day, and at the far
western end of the eastbound platform is a footbridge over the line, which
would make sense with an exit at that end going up a few steps then turning
due north and crossing the platform.

There's little room for anything else to be using that bridge, as the
westernmost of the three banks of escalators has already cleared that height
at the point where the line is crossed.


But is the shaft completely blocked up, or can you still get to it
from a newer staircase, as, perhaps, an emergency escape?



It looked like the 'wall' at the western ends of the central line platforms
was in effect a door/grille, so one could presumably go through there, up
the steps and over the footbridge to the lift/spiral staircase concourse at
least.

BTN



lonelytraveller January 25th 08 11:35 PM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
The is a "lift shaft" type area located between the platforms towards
the middle. It's now a pump room (the pump was prone to fail not so
long ago, causing flooding on the platform). As others have said, the
escalator shaft towards Broad Street was located at the west end of
the platforms, up some stairs and along a passage, coming out where
the bus station now is.

So I assume its been capped now at the ticket hall level, so that they
can have that newer set of escalators to the north?

I think it's to the more extreme West of the site than that.
I had a little wander around Liverpool St the other day, and at the far
western end of the eastbound platform is a footbridge over the line, which
would make sense with an exit at that end going up a few steps then turning
due north and crossing the platform.

I've noticed that, the current access to it is from the door directly
next to it on the platform - it goes up about 3 steps towards the
escalators then its a wall and you have to turn round to go up to the
bridge. I'm not sure if that's a new access to an old bridge. To me,
it seems to be too far north from liverpool street (the street) to go
directly to some sort of access to (the former) broad street station -
its closer to being directly underneath that modern shopping arcade
between liverpool street station and broadgate.

There's little room for anything else to be using that bridge, as the
westernmost of the three banks of escalators has already cleared that height
at the point where the line is crossed.

But only the middle bank of escalators is original. And the
westernmost one was most likely only added when they rebuilt liverpool
street station in the 1990s

MIG January 26th 08 12:22 AM

Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
 
On Jan 26, 12:35*am, lonelytraveller
wrote:
The is a "lift shaft" type area located between the platforms towards
the middle. It's now a pump room (the pump was prone to fail not so
long ago, causing flooding on the platform). As others have said, the
escalator shaft towards Broad Street was located at the west end of
the platforms, up some stairs and along a passage, coming out where
the bus station now is.
So I assume its been capped now at the ticket hall level, so that they
can have that newer set of escalators to the north?

I think it's to the more extreme West of the site than that.
I had a little wander around Liverpool St the other day, and at the far
western end of the eastbound platform is a footbridge over the line, which
would make sense with an exit at that end going up a few steps then turning
due north and crossing the platform.


I've noticed that, the current access to it is from the door directly
next to it on the platform - it goes up about 3 steps towards the
escalators then its a wall and you have to turn round to go up to the
bridge. I'm not sure if that's a new access *to an old bridge. To me,
it seems to be too far north from liverpool street (the street) to go
directly to some sort of access to (the former) broad street station -
its closer to being directly underneath that modern shopping arcade
between liverpool street station and broadgate.

There's little room for anything else to be using that bridge, as the
westernmost of the three banks of escalators has already cleared that height
at the point where the line is crossed.


But only the middle bank of escalators is original. And the
westernmost one was most likely only added when they rebuilt liverpool
street station in the 1990s


No; they may be new but I am sure they are exactly where they were.


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