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Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
When it was first planned, Liverpool Street Central Line station was
to have direct-to-platform lifts (which is why the platforms are so far apart), but just before it was built the plans were changed to use escalators instead (these are probably the middle set of escalators, each in their own shaft). However, they kept one of the lift shafts in the plans, built it, but fitted it out with a spiral staircase. Where is that spiral staircase? Does it still exist? I'm also curious about the connection to Broad Street. The surface building would have been to the SW of the platforms, slightly beyond the southern headwall and then to the west. So how was the connection made to it? There are escalators between the two platforms heading south, but presumably these were added when Liverpool Street mainline station was rebuilt, so was there previously some access to broad street in their place? Or perhaps the two passages through the platforms' southern headwalls, which seem to have a couple of steps further down them, are something to do with the access? |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On 13 Jan, 16:32, lonelytraveller
wrote: When it was first planned, Liverpool Street Central Line station was to have direct-to-platform lifts (which is why the platforms are so far apart), but just before it was built the plans were changed to use escalators instead (these are probably the middle set of escalators, each in their own shaft). However, they kept one of the lift shafts in the plans, built it, but fitted it out with a spiral staircase. Where is that spiral staircase? Does it still exist? I had a feeling I'd used one there, but it could be a figment of my imagination. I'm also curious about the connection to Broad Street. The surface building would have been to the SW of the platforms, slightly beyond the southern headwall and then to the west. So how was the connection made to it? The stations were at very different levels (Liverpool Street in a cutting and Broad Street on a viaduct). I can't remember there being any route between the two except via the street. If I remember rightly, there was a continuation of Eldon Street which passed the front of the station, and there were steps leading up into the concourse. That bit of street is now obliterated. There are escalators between the two platforms heading south, but presumably these were added when Liverpool Street mainline station was rebuilt, so was there previously some access to broad street in their place? There were always escalators at that end, but that exit wasn't always open. There used to be single escalators, each in its own passage. As I remember, the external exits were in Liverpool Street (from the Circle, as now), at the back of LS station concourse ( from the West end of the Central, or the Circle, as now) and another one near the LS ticket barriers (similar to now I guess, from the East end of the Central). I don't remember any direct exit from the Underground to Broad Street. But my memory is a bit confused, because I also remember coming out in a subway with signs to different platform number ranges at LS, which related to the fact that two middle platforms went much further back into the concourse, so to proceed between the platforms either side of them you had to either walk round the buffers, go through the subway or go over the top (on a raised walkway). Or perhaps the two passages through the platforms' southern headwalls, which seem to have a couple of steps further down them, are something to do with the access? |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On 13 Jan, 16:49, MIG wrote:
On 13 Jan, 16:32, lonelytraveller wrote: When it was first planned, Liverpool Street Central Line station was to have direct-to-platform lifts (which is why the platforms are so far apart), but just before it was built the plans were changed to use escalators instead (these are probably the middle set of escalators, each in their own shaft). However, they kept one of the lift shafts in the plans, built it, but fitted it out with a spiral staircase. Where is that spiral staircase? Does it still exist? I had a feeling I'd used one there, but it could be a figment of my imagination. I'm also curious about the connection to Broad Street. The surface building would have been to the SW of the platforms, slightly beyond the southern headwall and then to the west. So how was the connection made to it? The stations were at very different levels (Liverpool Street in a cutting and Broad Street on a viaduct). *I can't remember there being any route between the two except via the street. If I remember rightly, there was a continuation of Eldon Street which passed the front of the station, and there were steps leading up into the concourse. *That bit of street is now obliterated. There are escalators between the two platforms heading south, but presumably these were added when Liverpool Street mainline station was rebuilt, so was there previously some access to broad street in their place? There were always escalators at that end, but that exit wasn't always open. *There used to be single escalators, each in its own passage. Rereading that bit, the escalators I was talking about were heading northish, ie in the line direction towards Bethnal Green. I am sure that they merely led to an exit nearer the Liverpool Street ticket barriers, and nothing to do with Broad Street. |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On 13 Jan, 16:56, MIG wrote:
On 13 Jan, 16:49, MIG wrote: On 13 Jan, 16:32, lonelytraveller wrote: When it was first planned, Liverpool Street Central Line station was to have direct-to-platform lifts (which is why the platforms are so far apart), but just before it was built the plans were changed to use escalators instead (these are probably the middle set of escalators, each in their own shaft). However, they kept one of the lift shafts in the plans, built it, but fitted it out with a spiral staircase. Where is that spiral staircase? Does it still exist? I had a feeling I'd used one there, but it could be a figment of my imagination. I've found this pictu http://www.ltmcollection.org/images/...76/9865076.jpg which seems to show some sort of stairs, but I can't work out how that fits into the modern layout, or what it actually represents There were always escalators at that end, but that exit wasn't always open. There used to be single escalators, each in its own passage. Rereading that bit, the escalators I was talking about were heading northish, ie in the line direction towards Bethnal Green. I am sure that they merely led to an exit nearer the Liverpool Street ticket barriers, and nothing to do with Broad Street. That's the middle set of escalators, until the 90s that side of liverpool street mainline station didn't begin until much further north, roughly where the northern ticket hall for the central line is now (which is why that ticket hall is in that position). Here's a photograph of the exterior before the 90s: http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/England%20Photos/London,%20Liverpool%20Street%20Station%201920's.jp g and the same view afterwards (at night) from a very similar point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:L...rior_night.jpg I don't remember any direct exit from the Underground to Broad Street. Here's a picture of the entrance at the surface: http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s.../index50.shtml Here's what it looked like from the inside: http://www.ltmcollection.org/images/...70/9865070.jpg and also (from the other direction): http://www.ltmcollection.org/images/best/72/9865072.jpg I don't know how it fits together at platform level. |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On 13 Jan, 21:14, lonelytraveller
wrote: On 13 Jan, 16:56, MIG wrote: On 13 Jan, 16:49, MIG wrote: On 13 Jan, 16:32, lonelytraveller wrote: When it was first planned, Liverpool Street Central Line station was to have direct-to-platform lifts (which is why the platforms are so far apart), but just before it was built the plans were changed to use escalators instead (these are probably the middle set of escalators, each in their own shaft). However, they kept one of the lift shafts in the plans, built it, but fitted it out with a spiral staircase. Where is that spiral staircase? Does it still exist? I had a feeling I'd used one there, but it could be a figment of my imagination. I've found this pictuhttp://www.ltmcollection.org/images/...76/9865076.jpg which seems to show some sort of stairs, but I can't work out how that fits into the modern layout, or what it actually represents There were always escalators at that end, but that exit wasn't always open. *There used to be single escalators, each in its own passage. Rereading that bit, the escalators I was talking about were heading northish, ie in the line direction towards Bethnal Green. *I am sure that they merely led to an exit nearer the Liverpool Street ticket barriers, and nothing to do with Broad Street. That's the middle set of escalators, until the 90s that side of liverpool street mainline station didn't begin until much further north, roughly where the northern ticket hall for the central line is now (which is why that ticket hall is in that position). Here's a photograph of the exterior before the 90s:http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/...ndon,%20Liverp... and the same view afterwards (at night) from a very similar point:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:L...tion_exterior_... I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the arcade below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks as if the taxis went down the side of the station, as at Paddington, rather than the station starting further back. Broad Street is on the viaduct on the left. I don't remember any direct exit from the Underground to Broad Street. Here's a picture of the entrance at the surface:http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s.../index50.shtml Here's what it looked like from the inside:http://www.ltmcollection.org/images/...70/9865070.jpg and also (from the other direction):http://www.ltmcollection.org/images/best/72/9865072.jpg I don't know how it fits together at platform level. The main Underground ticket hall is not that different from how it was, in that you went in facing south and then straight on towards the circle line clockwise platform, from which you could take a bridge over to the anticlockwise and also to the exit on the opposite side of Liverpool Street. You turned right and right again, as now, to go down the main Central Line escalators. This was also the main Broad Street exit as well. I'd forgotten that there must have been a subway linking down the road to Broad Street, but this would have been just below the surface and not related to anything at the Central Line platform level. I am sure that the escalators at the north end of the Central were just for peak access to the main Liverpool Street platforms. The picture you have found shows an Underground exit at the front of Broad Street, just to the West of the main Underground ticket hall. Escalators at the north end of the Central Line wouldn't have got you any nearer to this. |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line
plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre was built in the mid-1980s. |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On 14 Jan, 04:35, wrote:
There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre was built in the mid-1980s. That makes sense. It would have to be at that (ie south) end of the Central Line platforms. Presumably the passage leading to it was tucked behind where the main escalators still are. Do you know when it was last in use? |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (MIG) wrote: I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the arcade below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks as if the taxis went down the side of the station, as at Paddington, rather than the station starting further back. So, instead of direct cycle access to the platforms from the street, you now have to get up a few steps and down a substantial staircase (or escalator), or else go on a detour equivalent to the frontage of Broad St station and back walking through the Broadgate shopping centre, instead. This great planning success was for the London terminal at the time still the principal one for services to Britain's premier cycling city, Cambridge. Pillocks! Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every morning to run up and down the steps carrying your bike would be excellent training for breakaways and hill attacks. It's a shame they didn't put in a ramp inside the station, rising from ground level at the west (Broadgate centre) end to the level of the elevated walkways (and so the street) at the east end. Would have been very handy, although i'm not entirely sure quite where you'd put it. tom -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity -- Hanlon's Razor |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On Jan 14, 7:22*am, MIG wrote:
On 14 Jan, 04:35, wrote: There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre was built in the mid-1980s. That makes sense. *It would have to be at that (ie south) end of the Central Line platforms. *Presumably the passage leading to it was tucked behind where the main escalators still are. Do you know when it was last in use? And further to that, the 1983 picture showed an Underground exit in the street at the front of Broad Street. By then, that would have led to a subway to where the main Underground ticket hall is now. Did the lift shaft lead into that subway, or was there an exit right inside Broad Street Station itself? |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On 14 Jan, 04:35, wrote:
There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre was built in the mid-1980s. Ah, thanks. Do you think they might reopen those tunnels if the Crossrail plan goes ahead unchanged? |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On 14 Jan, 04:35, wrote:
There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre was built in the mid-1980s. Do you happen to know where the spiral staircase was, and what happened to it? |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (MIG) wrote: I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the arcade below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks as if the taxis went down the side of the station, as at Paddington, rather than the station starting further back. So, instead of direct cycle access to the platforms from the street, you now have to get up a few steps and down a substantial staircase (or escalator), or else go on a detour equivalent to the frontage of Broad St station and back walking through the Broadgate shopping centre, instead. This great planning success was for the London terminal at the time still the principal one for services to Britain's premier cycling city, Cambridge. Pillocks! Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every morning to run up and down the steps carrying your bike would be excellent training for breakaways and hill attacks. It's a shame they didn't put in a ramp inside the station, rising from ground level at the west (Broadgate centre) end to the level of the elevated walkways (and so the street) at the east end. Would have been very handy, although i'm not entirely sure quite where you'd put it. You're right of course. Cyclists should be fit enough. However, it was a massive step backwards for users of wheelchairs and children's buggies. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On 14 Jan, 20:16, lonelytraveller
wrote: On 14 Jan, 04:35, wrote: There was an exit at the extreme rear end of the EB Central Line plaform. You went up stairs then turned right into a corridor which lead due north to reach the lifts lower landing. At top level these lifts allowed access directly onto the concourse of Broad Street BR station. All this was still there disused until the Broadgate Centre was built in the mid-1980s. Do you happen to know where the spiral staircase was, and what happened to it? The is a "lift shaft" type area located between the platforms towards the middle. It's now a pump room (the pump was prone to fail not so long ago, causing flooding on the platform). As others have said, the escalator shaft towards Broad Street was located at the west end of the platforms, up some stairs and along a passage, coming out where the bus station now is. |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Tom Anderson) wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (MIG) wrote: I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the arcade below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks as if the taxis went down the side of the station, as at Paddington, rather than the station starting further back. So, instead of direct cycle access to the platforms from the street, you now have to get up a few steps and down a substantial staircase (or escalator), or else go on a detour equivalent to the frontage of Broad St station and back walking through the Broadgate shopping centre, instead. This great planning success was for the London terminal at the time still the principal one for services to Britain's premier cycling city, Cambridge. Pillocks! Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every morning to run up and down the steps carrying your bike would be excellent training for breakaways and hill attacks. It's a shame they didn't put in a ramp inside the station, rising from ground level at the west (Broadgate centre) end to the level of the elevated walkways (and so the street) at the east end. Would have been very handy, although i'm not entirely sure quite where you'd put it. You're right of course. Cyclists should be fit enough. However, it was a massive step backwards for users of wheelchairs and children's buggies. Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every morning to run up and down the steps carrying your wheelchair or children's buggy would be excellent training for breakaways and hill attacks. Well, okay, maybe not in all cases. Is there not a lift? DDA and all that? tom -- Transform your language. |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
Do you happen to know where the spiral staircase was, and what
happened to it? The is a "lift shaft" type area located between the platforms towards the middle. It's now a pump room (the pump was prone to fail not so long ago, causing flooding on the platform). As others have said, the escalator shaft towards Broad Street was located at the west end of the platforms, up some stairs and along a passage, coming out where the bus station now is. So I assume its been capped now at the ticket hall level, so that they can have that newer set of escalators to the north? But is the shaft completely blocked up, or can you still get to it from a newer staircase, as, perhaps, an emergency escape? What is it pumping out? (obviously water, but where is it coming from in such heavy quantities to cause flooding - does the walbrook pass by there?) |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On 15 Jan, 08:47, lonelytraveller
wrote: So I assume its been capped now at the ticket hall level, so that they can have that newer set of escalators to the north? But is the shaft completely blocked up, or can you still get to it from a newer staircase, as, perhaps, an emergency escape? I must admit, I never actually looked up - mainly due to the smell inside. It was always more a case of, open door, take a deep breath, go in, reset the pump and get out before breathing again ;-) What is it pumping out? (obviously water, but where is it coming from in such heavy quantities to cause flooding - does the walbrook pass by there?) It's the lowest sump of the station. It wasn't down to the quantity of water being pumped out that caused the flooding, it was the pump repeatedly breaking down due to being life expired. |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Tom Anderson) wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (MIG) wrote: I think this is roughly where the bus station is now, above the arcade below, but further west than the platforms. So it looks as if the taxis went down the side of the station, as at Paddington, rather than the station starting further back. So, instead of direct cycle access to the platforms from the street, you now have to get up a few steps and down a substantial staircase (or escalator), or else go on a detour equivalent to the frontage of Broad St station and back walking through the Broadgate shopping centre, instead. This great planning success was for the London terminal at the time still the principal one for services to Britain's premier cycling city, Cambridge. Pillocks! Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every morning to run up and down the steps carrying your bike would be excellent training for breakaways and hill attacks. It's a shame they didn't put in a ramp inside the station, rising from ground level at the west (Broadgate centre) end to the level of the elevated walkways (and so the street) at the east end. Would have been very handy, although i'm not entirely sure quite where you'd put it. You're right of course. Cyclists should be fit enough. However, it was a massive step backwards for users of wheelchairs and children's buggies. Rubbish, it's good for you! In fact, taking ten minutes every morning to run up and down the steps carrying your wheelchair or children's buggy would be excellent training for breakaways and hill attacks. Well, okay, maybe not in all cases. :-) Is there not a lift? DDA and all that? Not that I've noticed, so therefore stuck away in a corner, I guess. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On 15 Jan, 17:02, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
Not that I've noticed, so therefore stuck away in a corner, I guess. It's very well hidden: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...ool_Street.jpg That photo's taken on the upper concourse above the tube station entrance. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
In message
of Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:15:30 in uk.transport.london, Mr Thant writes On 15 Jan, 17:02, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: Not that I've noticed, so therefore stuck away in a corner, I guess. It's very well hidden: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...ool_Street.jpg That photo's taken on the upper concourse above the tube station entrance. The other stops a -1 in the One ticket Hall to the right of all the ticket windows; -2 in the Circle, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan ticket hall to the left of the main entry steps. This gives eastbound DDA access from Platform 1; unofficial westbound access involves interchange at Aldgate - either take Circle and swap from platform 4 to Metropolitan on platform 3 or take Metropolitan and wait to go west. I apologise I am reminded of 7/7/2005. There is a memorial which always has fresh flowers in the ticket hall. I happened on preparations for a memorial service at 11.00 on the closest Sunday in 2007. I was unable to stay and attend. I shall try to attend in 2008. -- Walter Briscoe |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
"lonelytraveller" wrote in message ... Do you happen to know where the spiral staircase was, and what happened to it? The is a "lift shaft" type area located between the platforms towards the middle. It's now a pump room (the pump was prone to fail not so long ago, causing flooding on the platform). As others have said, the escalator shaft towards Broad Street was located at the west end of the platforms, up some stairs and along a passage, coming out where the bus station now is. So I assume its been capped now at the ticket hall level, so that they can have that newer set of escalators to the north? I think it's to the more extreme West of the site than that. I had a little wander around Liverpool St the other day, and at the far western end of the eastbound platform is a footbridge over the line, which would make sense with an exit at that end going up a few steps then turning due north and crossing the platform. There's little room for anything else to be using that bridge, as the westernmost of the three banks of escalators has already cleared that height at the point where the line is crossed. But is the shaft completely blocked up, or can you still get to it from a newer staircase, as, perhaps, an emergency escape? It looked like the 'wall' at the western ends of the central line platforms was in effect a door/grille, so one could presumably go through there, up the steps and over the footbridge to the lift/spiral staircase concourse at least. BTN |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
The is a "lift shaft" type area located between the platforms towards
the middle. It's now a pump room (the pump was prone to fail not so long ago, causing flooding on the platform). As others have said, the escalator shaft towards Broad Street was located at the west end of the platforms, up some stairs and along a passage, coming out where the bus station now is. So I assume its been capped now at the ticket hall level, so that they can have that newer set of escalators to the north? I think it's to the more extreme West of the site than that. I had a little wander around Liverpool St the other day, and at the far western end of the eastbound platform is a footbridge over the line, which would make sense with an exit at that end going up a few steps then turning due north and crossing the platform. I've noticed that, the current access to it is from the door directly next to it on the platform - it goes up about 3 steps towards the escalators then its a wall and you have to turn round to go up to the bridge. I'm not sure if that's a new access to an old bridge. To me, it seems to be too far north from liverpool street (the street) to go directly to some sort of access to (the former) broad street station - its closer to being directly underneath that modern shopping arcade between liverpool street station and broadgate. There's little room for anything else to be using that bridge, as the westernmost of the three banks of escalators has already cleared that height at the point where the line is crossed. But only the middle bank of escalators is original. And the westernmost one was most likely only added when they rebuilt liverpool street station in the 1990s |
Redevelopment at Liverpool Street
On Jan 26, 12:35*am, lonelytraveller
wrote: The is a "lift shaft" type area located between the platforms towards the middle. It's now a pump room (the pump was prone to fail not so long ago, causing flooding on the platform). As others have said, the escalator shaft towards Broad Street was located at the west end of the platforms, up some stairs and along a passage, coming out where the bus station now is. So I assume its been capped now at the ticket hall level, so that they can have that newer set of escalators to the north? I think it's to the more extreme West of the site than that. I had a little wander around Liverpool St the other day, and at the far western end of the eastbound platform is a footbridge over the line, which would make sense with an exit at that end going up a few steps then turning due north and crossing the platform. I've noticed that, the current access to it is from the door directly next to it on the platform - it goes up about 3 steps towards the escalators then its a wall and you have to turn round to go up to the bridge. I'm not sure if that's a new access *to an old bridge. To me, it seems to be too far north from liverpool street (the street) to go directly to some sort of access to (the former) broad street station - its closer to being directly underneath that modern shopping arcade between liverpool street station and broadgate. There's little room for anything else to be using that bridge, as the westernmost of the three banks of escalators has already cleared that height at the point where the line is crossed. But only the middle bank of escalators is original. And the westernmost one was most likely only added when they rebuilt liverpool street station in the 1990s No; they may be new but I am sure they are exactly where they were. |
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