At stations where the UTS gates remain open for a part of the day, will they
close the gates and leave the side gate open but unlocked when the oyster
becomes introduced, or will they stay open like at the moment? Also, my
sister would like to know for when she gets a prepay when money be deducted,
at the start or end of the journey.
Thanks,
Joe

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:29:16 +0100, Joe Patrick wrote:
At stations where the UTS gates remain open for a part of the day, will they
close the gates and leave the side gate open but unlocked when the oyster
becomes introduced, or will they stay open like at the moment?

They will stay open but you will still have to swipe your Oyster.
Not all stations have gates but validators have been fitted in most
places. The prepay is going to require a certain amount of
honesty/random checks but that's no change from the current system.

Also, my
sister would like to know for when she gets a prepay when money be deducted,
at the start or end of the journey.

Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some
credit will be put back on at the end of your journey.

David

"Joe Patrick" wrote in message ...
At stations where the UTS gates remain open for a part of the day, will they
close the gates and leave the side gate open but unlocked when the oyster
becomes introduced, or will they stay open like at the moment? Also, my
sister would like to know for when she gets a prepay when money be deducted,
at the start or end of the journey.
Thanks,
Joe

At East Finchley most of the time the gates are open, when you renew
your Oyster via the web the card needs to be swiped in order to load
the new ticket, even with the gates open I still need to swipe
occasionally.

I've noted the new type gate give you a message something like ticket
about to expire or tkt about to expr (My ticket runs out 28th)

David Walters wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:29:16 +0100, Joe Patrick wrote:

At stations where the UTS gates remain open for a part of the day, will they
close the gates and leave the side gate open but unlocked when the oyster
becomes introduced, or will they stay open like at the moment?


They will stay open but you will still have to swipe your Oyster.
Not all stations have gates but validators have been fitted in most
places. The prepay is going to require a certain amount of
honesty/random checks but that's no change from the current system.


In fact, the other day I noticed that validators have been fitted at the
DLR stations I use. They're just stuck in the middle of no-where,
generally hanging around the places where people might walk past.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:55:31 +0100, David Walters
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:29:16 +0100, Joe Patrick wrote:
At stations where the UTS gates remain open for a part of the day, will they
close the gates and leave the side gate open but unlocked when the oyster
becomes introduced, or will they stay open like at the moment?

They will stay open but you will still have to swipe your Oyster.
Not all stations have gates but validators have been fitted in most
places. The prepay is going to require a certain amount of
honesty/random checks but that's no change from the current system.

Also, my
sister would like to know for when she gets a prepay when money be deducted,
at the start or end of the journey.

Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some
credit will be put back on at the end of your journey.

Correct.

If you only validate on exit, the full cost comes off.

If you fail to validate when entering the system and get caught by an
RPI, you're liable to penalty fare.

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In article , Robert Woolley
writes
Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some
credit will be put back on at the end of your journey.

Correct.

If you only validate on exit, the full cost comes off.

The full cost of what? Are you implying it would be the most expensive
fare that you could have needed to get there (eg a single from Z5 if you
were exiting in Z1)? Is there any warning in case it was an equipment
fault that prevented the registration of the start of your journey?
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In message , David Walters
writes
Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some credit
will be put back on at the end of your journey.

So what happens if the ticket gates are working at the start of your
journey but not at the end of your journey?
Surely it would better to take off a minimum cost single. And then take
the extra off at the end?
You don't want to overcharge people or nowt..........
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:50:32 +0100, CJG wrote:
In message , David Walters
writes
Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some credit
will be put back on at the end of your journey.

So what happens if the ticket gates are working at the start of your
journey but not at the end of your journey?
Surely it would better to take off a minimum cost single. And then take
the extra off at the end?
You don't want to overcharge people or nowt..........

There needs to be an incentive for people to scan their tickets on
the way out. If a minimum single was deducted on entry then when
people exited at a station with open barriers I suspect the number
of people claiming faulty equipment would be very high.

David

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:06:22 -0400, Roland Perry wrote:
In article , Robert Woolley
writes
Allegedly a maximum cost single will be deducted and then some
credit will be put back on at the end of your journey.

Correct.

If you only validate on exit, the full cost comes off.

The full cost of what? Are you implying it would be the most expensive
fare that you could have needed to get there (eg a single from Z5 if you
were exiting in Z1)?

Single from Z6D I assume (5.50) since they have no way of knowing
if you changed, traveled through zone 1 to get to your current zone
etc.

Is there any warning in case it was an equipment
fault that prevented the registration of the start of your journey?

If the gates are open you need to wait for them to say enter. If
you swipe to quickly (which I assume means the communication between
the barrier and your card hasn't finished) then you get a seek
assitance together with some loud beeping.

David

In article , David Walters
writes
If the gates are open you need to wait for them to say enter. If
you swipe to quickly (which I assume means the communication between
the barrier and your card hasn't finished) then you get a seek
assitance together with some loud beeping.

Bt what it you don't enter via a gate, but use one of the devices at the
ex carnet-verifier sites (like Farringdon station)?
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window a bit, type a bit, stare out of the window a bit. Networked computers
make these two activities converge, because now the thing you type on and the
window you stare out of are the same thing" - Douglas Adams 28/1/99.