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, at 02:16:21 on Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Mwmbwls remarked: I understand the pods can be fairly easilly mounted on pillars -- lighter than the DLR, although presumably less capacity than a DLR at full rate (say 1.3 people per car, one car per 5 seconds, 1000 people per hour). That's equivelent to a DLR at ~60 people per carriage, 2 carriage per train, 8tph, more frequent than many branches. The size of *a station to disgorge one car per 15 seconds (assume 3 stations either side of a central coridor) would be fairly high, but it works on ski lifts. However people on ski lifts are not normally encumbered with suitcases, baby buggies and hurricane proof rucksacks. The ultra system will work at Heathrow as it is intended to operate from relatively low density car parks to a high density terminal. The trial installation of pods will be going between *business* parking and the new BA terminal. It's not going to be used by huge numbers of families going on holiday. If you want to see the exact opposite, try watching the shuttle buses loading at the mid-stay at Luton - kitchen sink doesn't even *begin* to describe the situation! -- Roland Perry |
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On 28 Jan, 21:59, Paul Weaver wrote:
Be interesting to see how ULTRA goes at Terminal 5, There are small areas like Brent Cross that could benefit from a lightweight system like that (Euston, Kings Cross, St Pancras -- Thameslink end, or Lancaster Gate/Paddington/Marylebone/Baker Street/Marble Arch, or something involving City Thameslink, Bank and Charing Cross)- Hide quoted text - Isn't the last of these an oft proposed DLR extension? Jonn |
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On 29 Jan, 11:13, wrote:
On 28 Jan, 21:59, Paul Weaver wrote: Be interesting to see how ULTRA goes at Terminal 5, There are small areas like Brent Cross that could benefit from a lightweight system like that (Euston, Kings Cross, St Pancras -- Thameslink end, or Lancaster Gate/Paddington/Marylebone/Baker Street/Marble Arch, or something involving City Thameslink, Bank and Charing Cross)- Hide quoted text - Isn't the last of these an oft proposed DLR extension? Jonn Yeah. TfL's Transport 2025 mentions a DLR extension from Bank to Charing X via City Thameslink and Aldwych. |
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On 27 Jan, 22:49, "Lew 1" wrote:
People will tollerate public transport (reliabilty and cost issues aside) in the form of trains and planes. They dont use buses. Buses are a distress purchase, the kind of clientelle they attract are either old or scum, even compared to things like the NLL or Watford DC line. Without agreeing with what you've said, I actually agree with... erm... what you say. Buses are very often the most convenient way of getting around, and a lot of the traditional limitations of buses are slowly being fixed. However, the public perception of them is trash - and you are quite right that the general public won't get out of their cars for buses, where they might for trains, planes and monorails (I Wish!). Car-loving people use buses (station or car park to terminal, and terminal to gate) at airports, though - the key is making it free (i.e. included in the cost of the main ticket - here, free to train/ tube users), regular, clean and new. Not looking like a 'normal bus' probably helps too... -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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![]() What you might call phase 1, some sort of people-mover between Brent Cross Northern Line and (proposed) Brent Cross Thameslink, looks achievable and could help reduce car journeys in the area. Some kind of shuttle bus is planned. I seem to recall a suggestion that it be like the things you find in tourist areas in the USA, designed to look like an old fashioned tram, rather than a bus. A few years ago there was a suggestion to use the Dudding Hill line for a branch of the Heathrow Express, running in to St Pancras, but that's dead now, I think Jeremy Parker |
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In message , at 23:08:54 on Tue,
29 Jan 2008, Jeremy Parker remarked: What you might call phase 1, some sort of people-mover between Brent Cross Northern Line and (proposed) Brent Cross Thameslink, looks achievable and could help reduce car journeys in the area. Some kind of shuttle bus is planned. I seem to recall a suggestion that it be like the things you find in tourist areas in the USA, designed to look like an old fashioned tram, rather than a bus. There is a similar thing - a faux train - running between York City Centre and the Railway Museum. Quite appropriate for a City that also has buses dressed up as trams. -- Roland Perry |
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On 27 Jan, 20:41, thoss wrote:
At 12:21:09 on Sun, 27 Jan 2008 MIG opined:- The four main reasons I use buses 1) They go directly to places that aren't near a railway line. 2) They go more often than adjacent trains. 3) I want to go beyond my travelcard zones. 4) It is late at night after the trains have stopped. You forgot 5) I don't have to find somewhere to park. -- Thoss If there's a sensible choice between tube and bus (similar journey- time etc) I will always choose the bus - it's less claustrophobic and there's more to look at if you don't fancy reading. |
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