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On 14 Feb, 09:16, "Richard J." wrote:
Mizter T wrote: (snip) The class 172 trains will work the Gospel Oak to Barking line (north east London)- the so-called "GOBLIN", though that's definitely an unofficial name! The only other diesel trains that provide an element of local service in London are really just longer distance trains, and run out of Marylebone and Paddington. Except for the Paddington-Greenford service. I think that it and GOBLIN are the only two diesel services that operate entirely within Greater London. -- Richard J. I knew I'd overlook something! I guess I was lumping the Paddington- Greenford service in with all the other Paddington services, but as you rightly say it's very much a local service. |
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On 14 Feb, 09:16, "Richard J." wrote:
Except for the Paddington-Greenford service. *I think that it and GOBLIN are the only two diesel services that operate entirely within Greater London. A lot of local London rail services leave the boundary though. I'd count the Chiltern most-stops service to Gerrard's Cross. I think the next the FGW semi-fasts to Oxford, calling several stops in London. There's very little after that - and I'm fairly sure the diesel South West Trains service suggested upthread is pick-up/set-down only at Clapham Junction, so that doesn't count. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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On Feb 14, 12:11 pm, Mr Thant
wrote: Except for the Paddington-Greenford service. I think that it and GOBLIN are the only two diesel services that operate entirely within Greater London. A lot of local London rail services leave the boundary though. I'd count the Chiltern most-stops service to Gerrard's Cross. I think the next the FGW semi-fasts to Oxford, calling several stops in London. There's very little after that - and I'm fairly sure the diesel South West Trains service suggested upthread is pick-up/set-down only at Clapham Junction, so that doesn't count. There are also the slow hourly FGWs to Reading calling at (I think) more London stops, and certainly a higher proportion of London stops, than the Oxford slows. Are the Southern services to Uckfield pick-up/set-down only at East Croydon? And does XC still run between Olympia and East Croydon? -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On 14 Feb, 12:11, Mr Thant
wrote: On 14 Feb, 09:16, "Richard J." wrote: Except for the Paddington-Greenford service. I think that it and GOBLIN are the only two diesel services that operate entirely within Greater London. A lot of local London rail services leave the boundary though. I'd count the Chiltern most-stops service to Gerrard's Cross. I think the next the FGW semi-fasts to Oxford, calling several stops in London. There's very little after that - and I'm fairly sure the diesel South West Trains service suggested upthread is pick-up/set-down only at Clapham Junction, so that doesn't count. U The down (ex Waterloo) South West Trains diesel services are pick up only at Clapham Junction. This is specifically noted in the relevant SWT timetable booklet, and they are not advertised as stopping at CJ on the Waterloo departure boards. The up diesel services (to Waterloo) however are not restricted as pick-up only. I think they are advertised as Waterloo services on the departure screens at CJ, as well as on the big LED departure board in the southern ticket hall/ concourse. However the signs and posters at CJ direct all Waterloo bound passengers to platforms 3, 4 or 10 from whence very regular trains depart. The longer distance services, including the diesel trains, stop at platform 7 (though at times of disruption I have seen them stop at platform 8, which the opposite platform face to p7 on an island platform). On the bridge and in the subway there are platform specific LED based PIS displays - however those for platform 7 and 8 do not display the next train information, merely some generic "Welcome to CJ" text. However, down at platform level the PIS displays *do* show the times of the next three trains to Waterloo. You can see the one on platform 7 from the top of the stairs on the bridge if you bend over a bit! I've taken trains from platform 7 a few times, in part just because I can and because it's something different from the norm, also because they don't stop at Vauxhall (or Queenstown Rd) so notionally they could get to Waterloo faster - however this often seemed to backfire, as those trains often seem to get held outside Waterloo waiting for a platform whilst across the tracks one can see the less exotic suburban services trundle right into an empty waiting platform. Anyway, I would agree that these up trains don't count as they're not providing a local service - between CJ and Waterloo that is quite bountifully provided by suburban electric trains. |
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On 14 Feb, 12:44, John B wrote:
On Feb 14, 12:11 pm, Mr Thant wrote: Except for the Paddington-Greenford service. I think that it and GOBLIN are the only two diesel services that operate entirely within Greater London. A lot of local London rail services leave the boundary though. I'd count the Chiltern most-stops service to Gerrard's Cross. I think the next the FGW semi-fasts to Oxford, calling several stops in London. There's very little after that - and I'm fairly sure the diesel South West Trains service suggested upthread is pick-up/set-down only at Clapham Junction, so that doesn't count. There are also the slow hourly FGWs to Reading calling at (I think) more London stops, and certainly a higher proportion of London stops, than the Oxford slows. Are the Southern services to Uckfield pick-up/set-down only at East Croydon? And does XC still run between Olympia and East Croydon? I don't think Southern's Uckfield service is pick-up/set-down only at East Croydon - the PDF timetables on Southern's website certainly don't suggest this is the case: http://southernrailway.go-cms.co.uk/...able_a_165.pdf http://southernrailway.go-cms.co.uk/...able_a_205.pdf XC does still run between Olympia and East Croydon - I think it's two trains a day each way, but the timetable needs a bit of decoding to work this out as the East Croydon and Olympia stops only appear in the notes: http://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/...ssets/3/16.pdf |
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Mizter T wrote:
I don't think Southern's Uckfield service is pick-up/set-down only at East Croydon - the PDF timetables on Southern's website certainly don't suggest this is the case: It isn't. I use them regularly. |
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Neil Williams wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:58:39 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant wrote: What alternative are you suggesting would be cheaper? I was under the impression that the Government were putting actual cash up, like BR would have had. What, like they did for the class 50s? Leasing is nothing new. Robin |
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![]() Kirk Northrop wrote regional characters. So, how many people get gibberish when I say the price of a One Day Bus Pass currently stands at £3.50? You'd think that most reasonably modern newsreaders would be able to use UTF-8, wouldn't you... UTF-8 is fairly rare, or rather characters other than basic ascii and utf-8 are uncommon and may be mistaken for some other fault. On a private news-server (Baen's Bar) with many utf-8 posts one US user of Agent found his setup gave ? for curly quotes because he wasn't using a Unicode font. I don't recognise Alpine, but many reasonably modern newsreaders don't handle Html well either. -- Mike D |
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Once upon a time -- around about 2/13/08 19:35 --
possibly wrote: So, how many people get gibberish when I say the price of a One Day Bus Pass currently stands at £3.50? Works fine here in the USA ![]() -- A true friend would stab you in the front. -- Anon |
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Chris Tolley wrote:
Mizter T wrote: I'm well aware that others use the GBP notation, but I do find it somewhat cumbersome, especially on a uk.* newsgroup where I would expect many readers usenet clients to be able to handle the correct regional characters. So, how many people get gibberish when I say the price of a One Day Bus Pass currently stands at £3.50? Some. Then some more get gibberish when someone who got gibberish replies to your post, quoting it, and so on. There will also be some people who for bizarre reasons not worth going into think that the symbol pronounced "pound" is a noughts-and-crosses grid. Astounding! As any fule know, this is called the octothorpe. tom -- Work alone does not suffice: the efforts must be intelligent. -- Charles B. Rogers |
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