Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down escalator
leading to the northbound northern line platform .There's victorian
tiling on the right hand wall as you look in from the foot of the
escalator; why?

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

On Feb 15, 11:07 pm, lonelytraveller
wrote:
At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down escalator
leading to the northbound northern line platform .There's victorian
tiling on the right hand wall as you look in from the foot of the
escalator; why?

I am going to go and have a look at it right now.

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

"lonelytraveller" wrote in
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At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down escalator
leading to the northbound northern line platform .There's victorian
tiling on the right hand wall as you look in from the foot of the
escalator; why?

Surely there's Victorian tiling in all (most) underground stations,
undernath all of the modern **** that stuck on top

tim

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

On 16 Feb, 12:23, "tim \(not at home\)"
wrote:
"lonelytraveller" wrote in
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At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down escalator
leading to the northbound northern line platform .There's victorian
tiling on the right hand wall as you look in from the foot of the
escalator; why?

Surely there's Victorian tiling in all (most) underground stations,
undernath all of the modern **** that stuck on top

tim

But the Victorians didn't have escalators, so why would there have
been a passageway in that particular location? Its parallel and next
to the passage between the bakerloo line and the northbound northern
line platforms, so it doesn't seem to be purposeful.

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

On Feb 16, 12:30*pm, lonelytraveller
wrote:
On 16 Feb, 12:23, "tim \(not at home\)"
wrote:

"lonelytraveller" wrote in
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At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down escalator
leading to the northbound northern line platform .There's victorian
tiling on the right hand wall as you look in from the foot of the
escalator; why?

Surely there's Victorian tiling in all (most) underground stations,
undernath all of the modern **** that stuck on top

tim

But the Victorians didn't have escalators, so why would there have
been a passageway in that particular location? Its parallel and next
to the passage between the bakerloo line and the northbound northern
line platforms, so it doesn't seem to be purposeful.

I'm not quite picturing all this. There would be nothing at Bakerloo/
Northern level till about 1906 or so would there?

Do you mean that there was a deep passageway predating those lines?

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

On 16 Feb, 12:30, lonelytraveller
wrote:

But the Victorians didn't have escalators, so why would there have
been a passageway in that particular location? Its parallel and next
to the passage between the bakerloo line and the northbound northern
line platforms, so it doesn't seem to be purposeful.

Don't forget that most deep stations had lifts in the beginning.
Staircases were converted to escalator machine chambers also.

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

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(lonelytraveller) wrote:

At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down escalator
leading to the northbound northern line platform .There's victorian
tiling on the right hand wall as you look in from the foot of the
escalator; why?

Given that the Northern Line opened in 1907, I doubt it's actually
Victorian. Edwardian I might believe.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

On 16 Feb, 15:47, MIG wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:30 pm, lonelytraveller



wrote:
On 16 Feb, 12:23, "tim \(not at home\)"
wrote:

"lonelytraveller" wrote in
...

At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down escalator
leading to the northbound northern line platform .There's victorian
tiling on the right hand wall as you look in from the foot of the
escalator; why?

Surely there's Victorian tiling in all (most) underground stations,
undernath all of the modern **** that stuck on top

tim

But the Victorians didn't have escalators, so why would there have
been a passageway in that particular location? Its parallel and next
to the passage between the bakerloo line and the northbound northern
line platforms, so it doesn't seem to be purposeful.

I'm not quite picturing all this. There would be nothing at Bakerloo/
Northern level till about 1906 or so would there?

Do you mean that there was a deep passageway predating those lines?

No. It would have appeared with the Northern line there. From a
distance it looks like the tiling is similar to the bakerloo line
station at Edgeware road - those decorative green tiles about mid way
up the walls - it would look glorious if it was cleaned up and on
show.

But it definitely looks older than the escalator. Anyway, I'm fairly
certain the escalator isn't original, on account of the very awkward
access to the clearly old spiral staircase adjacent to it at the top
landing.

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
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(lonelytraveller) wrote:

At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down escalator
leading to the northbound northern line platform .There's victorian
tiling on the right hand wall as you look in from the foot of the
escalator; why?

Given that the Northern Line opened in 1907, I doubt it's actually
Victorian. Edwardian I might believe.


Built using a stockpile of Victorian tiles? Perhaps they bought a job lot
cheap after Victoria's death... But seriously, how quickly do architectural
styles/materials change?

Paul S

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

On 17 Feb, 16:32, " wrote:
On 16 Feb, 12:30, lonelytraveller

wrote:

But the Victorians didn't have escalators, so why would there have
been a passageway in that particular location? Its parallel and next
to the passage between the bakerloo line and the northbound northern
line platforms, so it doesn't seem to be purposeful.

Don't forget that most deep stations had lifts in the beginning.
Staircases were converted to escalator machine chambers also.

A lift is possible, but where would it have gone? The passage is
directly beneath the westbound platform of the circle/district, and a
lift shaft there would have to have cut through the platforms, making
them rather awkward. Now there clearly used to be a lift of some sort
on the northern side, as the escalator on the northern side from the
under-circle-line passages to the ticket hall passes through a space
that is clearly circular, and cut-through lift-shaft like. But I can't
fathom where the lift could have gone to, since there doesn't appear
to be any passage on the northern side of the northern-bakerloo link.

Its more like it goes somewhere that could then go to a lift perhaps.
Perhaps it linked up with the other side of the spiral staircase?

That spiral staircase is a bit of a curiosity really - why is it
situated so far to the south of the passage linking bakerloo to
northern line, but only go high enough to emerge beneath the circle
line platforms; if it was intended to only go that high, it would have
been better to put it next to the linking passage, if it was set so
far south for the purpose of reaching the surface, why doesn't it.

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

On Feb 17, 10:41*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message

.co.uk...

In article
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(lonelytraveller) wrote:

At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down escalator
leading to the northbound northern line platform .There's victorian
tiling on the right hand wall as you look in from the foot of the
escalator; why?

Given that the Northern Line opened in 1907, I doubt it's actually
Victorian. Edwardian I might believe.

Built using a stockpile of Victorian tiles? Perhaps they bought a job lot
cheap after Victoria's death... *But seriously, how quickly do architectural
styles/materials change?

Paul S

The Bakerloo would have opened first, and would have been abortively
built several years earlier, although I doubt if any tiling would have
been finished off.

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article
,
(lonelytraveller) wrote:

At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down escalator
leading to the northbound northern line platform .There's victorian
tiling on the right hand wall as you look in from the foot of the
escalator; why?

Given that the Northern Line opened in 1907, I doubt it's actually
Victorian. Edwardian I might believe.

According to Tim Demuth's "The Spread of London's Underground" the
Charing Cross Euston & Hampstead Railway (later to be the Northern Line
Charing Cross branch) reached Embankment from Charing Cross (later
Strand) on 6/4/1914 - so not even Edwardian.

Peter Beale

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

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(MIG) wrote:

On Feb 17, 10:41*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message

.co.uk...

In article

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(lonelytraveller)
wrote:

At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down
escalator leading to the northbound northern line platform.
There's victorian tiling on the right hand wall as you look in
from the foot of the escalator; why?

Given that the Northern Line opened in 1907, I doubt it's actually
Victorian. Edwardian I might believe.

Built using a stockpile of Victorian tiles? Perhaps they bought a job

lot cheap after Victoria's death... *But seriously, how quickly do
architectural styles/materials change?

The Bakerloo would have opened first, and would have been abortively
built several years earlier, although I doubt if any tiling would have
been finished off.

The Bakerloo opened in 1906.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

On 17 Feb, 23:50, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
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(MIG) wrote:
On Feb 17, 10:41*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message

l.co.uk...

In article

,
(lonelytraveller)
wrote:

At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down
escalator leading to the northbound northern line platform.
There's victorian tiling on the right hand wall as you look in
from the foot of the escalator; why?

Given that the Northern Line opened in 1907, I doubt it's actually
Victorian. Edwardian I might believe.

Built using a stockpile of Victorian tiles? Perhaps they bought a job
lot cheap after Victoria's death... *But seriously, how quickly do
architectural styles/materials change?

The Bakerloo would have opened first, and would have been abortively
built several years earlier, although I doubt if any tiling would have
been finished off.

The Bakerloo opened in 1906.

And I think the running tunnels would have been in place by 1901,
although probably not much station building. What I'm wondering is
whether there would have been any early work started on the layout of
the station that didn't take into account the Hampstead Tube, such
that, by the time the Bakerloo finally opened, passageways would have
had to be rearranged to take into account the Hampstead which would be
well on the way by then?

Victorian Tiling at Embankment
 

On 18 Feb, 09:55, MIG wrote:
On 17 Feb, 23:50, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:



In article
,

(MIG) wrote:
On Feb 17, 10:41 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message

l.co.uk...

In article

,
(lonelytraveller)
wrote:

At embankment station, there's a room behind/under the down
escalator leading to the northbound northern line platform.
There's victorian tiling on the right hand wall as you look in
from the foot of the escalator; why?

Given that the Northern Line opened in 1907, I doubt it's actually
Victorian. Edwardian I might believe.

Built using a stockpile of Victorian tiles? Perhaps they bought a job
lot cheap after Victoria's death... But seriously, how quickly do
architectural styles/materials change?

The Bakerloo would have opened first, and would have been abortively
built several years earlier, although I doubt if any tiling would have
been finished off.

The Bakerloo opened in 1906.

And I think the running tunnels would have been in place by 1901,
although probably not much station building. What I'm wondering is
whether there would have been any early work started on the layout of
the station that didn't take into account the Hampstead Tube, such
that, by the time the Bakerloo finally opened, passageways would have
had to be rearranged to take into account the Hampstead which would be
well on the way by then?

Well, what you'd have is two passages going east-west, right next to
each other, with one of them still in use, and the other being the now
hidden thing under the escalator.

The old bakerloo line exit, on the other hand, is still there. Its the
other staircase from the bakerloo line platforms. Take a look through
that door at the bottom of the steps to the northbound bakerloo - its
another staircase (the original staircase in fact), leading to the
other (now disused) bridge over the platforms.

The hidden thing under the escalator and the old bakerloo exit are on
completely opposite sides of the current northern-bakerloo passage, so
its unlikely that the hiding of the thing under/behind the escalator
was a result of changing the layout to accomodate the northern line..