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Councils block in illegit driveways
Tom Anderson (Tom Anderson ) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying: Ever heard of a conservation area or a listed building? They can tell you what colour to paint your front door. They told a friend of mine (or her landlady, anyway) that she shouldn't have double glazing. This seems a case of priorities not being right. Conservation area? Or Listed Building? If the former (far more likely) then I'll bet they didn't. They may very well have told her she couldn't replace her old windows with tupperware on the front of the building. But that's not the same thing at all. |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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16:49:22 on Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Tom Anderson remarked: Ever heard of a conservation area or a listed building? They can tell you what colour to paint your front door. They told a friend of mine (or her landlady, anyway) that she shouldn't have double glazing. This seems a case of priorities not being right. They will have been told "no ghastly white plastic UPVC double glazing". There are plenty of other (more expensive) sorts that can be deployed without defacing the property. Normal housing doesn't have such stringent rules, but neither is it a case of "no rules". And moreover, in this case, the problem is that get to the private property, you have to go over public property, the kerb, damaging it in the process. I couldn't give two hoots about some halfwit parking a car in their garden, I do, if it turns a residential street into something resembling a used car showroom. but i don't want to be paying to repair damage they cause in doing it. That as well. -- Roland Perry |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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, Boltar writes On 19 Feb, 18:27, MIG wrote: I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean, you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in Its called road fund tax. You don't generally find funiture driving down the road. The Christmas before last I was doing an evening Ghost Walk in Oxford. As the group and I crossed over the Oxford Canal, a procession of motorised office furniture (desks, takes and one filing cabinet) drove across the bridge, all driven by people dressed as Father Christmas. And I am being *deadly* serious. The group thought I'd arranged it or something. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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, Boltar writes On 19 Feb, 18:21, Adrian wrote: If to do so would cause an obstruction, yes. Absolutely. You think that's a bad thing? No , but in that case they should be allowed to park in their gardens if they want, dropped kerb or not. Who's saying that people can't park in their drives? Nobody. This isn't about whether people can park in their drives or not - but whether they can park in their front gardens which they'd like to call drives but haven't actually got vehicular access to. If its their property they can call it and do with it what they like , its none of the councils business so long as they don't cause a public nuisance or break planning laws. That latter bit can be very wide ranging, though. This damage to pavements argument is a load of old tosh since kerbstones are pretty damn tough and even with a dropped kerb the car still has to drive over normal paving anyway potentialy causing exactly the same damage so whats the difference? Its just another way for petty officials to extort more cash out of people. A few years ago a friend of ours moved into a new house in Coventry. She had space to park on her front garden but no dropped kerb *and* there was a lamp post in the way. She enquired about paying for a dropped kerb and paying for the re-siting of the lamp post and was told that both actions could be considered, at a price, which she agreed to pay. Then the fun started. She was told that they would only consider moving the lamp post once she'd had the kerb dropped (and paid for this). However, they couldn't guarantee that they'd agree to it until it came up for consideration. This meant that she risked paying for the drop kerb and then finding that they wouldn't move the lamp post. Neither department would move until the other one had done so and a sort of stalemate ensued. She's a forceful individual, though and eventually managed to knock heads together (metaphorically, I hasten to add). But it was stressful that Lamp Post Department and Dropped Kerb Department couldn't see the Big Picture, so to speak. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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, Boltar writes Why shouldn't people have a reasonable expectation of being able to park near where they live? For mothers with kids, people who use their car or van for work and elderly or partially disabled people its almost essential. Because some people's houses are located where it's not safe or practicable to park. In an ideal world, we could all park on our property or outside it but our towns and cities often aren't arranged like that. There is a reverse issue here of people in residential streets *thinking* that they somehow "own" the road outside their home. I once parked in a street with no restrictions only to have a lady come out of a house and tell me that I couldn't park there because her "husband had only just gone for petrol" and would be back soon. She was not impressed at my refusal to move, I can tell you! :-) -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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Anderson writes On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 03:27:55 on Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Boltar remarked: No , but in that case they should be allowed to park in their gardens if they want, dropped kerb or not. Why? Because its their bloody property! You going to start dictating what plants they can plant in their gardens next or perhaps what type of furniture they're allowed to buy?? Ever heard of a conservation area or a listed building? They can tell you what colour to paint your front door. They told a friend of mine (or her landlady, anyway) that she shouldn't have double glazing. This seems a case of priorities not being right. Are you sure they said "no double glazing", as opposed to no seal unit UPVC double glazing? Conservation rules are often much more flexible than people think. It's just that in order to maintain appearance (usually termed "character", special steps usually have to be taken. In most Conservation Areas (all as far as I'm aware) secondary double glazing would be fine but this is much more expensive that the wares peddled by Safestyle et al. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
Councils block in illegit driveways
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, J. Chisholm wrote:
Where I used to live some idiot insisted on parking his (almost)HGV on the footway. Apart from the damage and difficulty in getting past with prams/pushchair etc, the water main beneath the path eventually failed. Now if only it were worth suing such idiots. Why isn't it? If the damage is worth less than 5000 UKP (which seems likely), the council could do it via the small claims process. That's simple and quick, and the court can't award costs, so even if the council loses, it doesn't cost them anything other than the wasted time. Being a large organisation who would be launching these cases quite often, they could run the operation very cheaply, and pretty solidly, so they should do well at it. tom -- The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -- Alan Kay |
Councils block in illegit driveways
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Mizter T wrote:
On 20 Feb, 15:42, (Sn!pe) wrote: MIG wrote: Crossposted to uk.rec.sheds. For some reason I read that as "Composted ...". By all accounts, two-year-old compost is wonderfully friable. I think we at utl should crosspost to uk.rec.sheds more often! Don't know about that; between you and me, they're a funny lot. After all, the major London termini station buildings are referred to as trainsheds... Not terribly recreational, though. tom -- The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -- Alan Kay |
Councils block in illegit driveways
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:
In message , Boltar writes On 19 Feb, 18:27, MIG wrote: I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean, you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in Its called road fund tax. You don't generally find funiture driving down the road. The Christmas before last I was doing an evening Ghost Walk in Oxford. As the group and I crossed over the Oxford Canal, a procession of motorised office furniture (desks, takes and one filing cabinet) 'takes'? drove across the bridge, all driven by people dressed as Father Christmas. File under 'normal for Oxford'. tom -- The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -- Alan Kay |
Councils block in illegit driveways
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Adrian wrote:
Tom Anderson (Tom Anderson ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Ever heard of a conservation area or a listed building? They can tell you what colour to paint your front door. They told a friend of mine (or her landlady, anyway) that she shouldn't have double glazing. This seems a case of priorities not being right. Conservation area? Or Listed Building? If the former (far more likely) then I'll bet they didn't. They may very well have told her she couldn't replace her old windows with tupperware on the front of the building. But that's not the same thing at all. I wondered that too. I asked her, but i think i was distracted by her new fridge when she answered. It's probably a case of her landlady saying no because she doesn't want to splash out on fancy double glazing. I tried to convince her she should pursue it, since se's just throwing away money, but she wasn't very enthusiastic. I think she quite likes having a cold house! tom -- The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -- Alan Kay |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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Anderson writes On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Ian Jelf wrote: In message , Boltar writes On 19 Feb, 18:27, MIG wrote: I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean, you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in Its called road fund tax. You don't generally find funiture driving down the road. The Christmas before last I was doing an evening Ghost Walk in Oxford. As the group and I crossed over the Oxford Canal, a procession of motorised office furniture (desks, takes and one filing cabinet) 'takes'? "Tables". Sorry; long day. (Taunton then Bridgwater!) drove across the bridge, all driven by people dressed as Father Christmas. File under 'normal for Oxford'. Quite! -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
Councils block in illegit driveways
On 20 Feb, 12:20, Adrian wrote:
So how come the house across the road from me was refused planning permission for a second vehicular access to the road? How come there's a development going on at the moment just down from me which has had vehicular access restrictions placed upon the site? Quite possibly because some local authorities have planning guidance which restricts the number of parking places per dwelling. "In and out" driveways tend to potentially provide more parking spaces than a single driveway. Ealing is an example: "The maximum parking provision for each residential unit indicated in the Appendix will be applied on the basis that it does not result in sites being developed with an average of more than 1.5 off-street car parking spaces per dwelling. This is in order to reflect the guidance in PPG3 paragraph 62": http://tinyurl.com/37tcbt |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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Mizter T said: On 20 Feb, 15:42, (Sn!pe) wrote: MIG wrote: Crossposted to uk.rec.sheds. For some reason I read that as "Composted ...". By all accounts, two-year-old compost is wonderfully friable. I think we at utl should crosspost to uk.rec.sheds more often! After all, the major London termini station buildings are referred to as trainsheds... But have the trains there got leads with the plugs cut off ? Are there _canoes_ ? Don't the spiders find it all a bit stressfull ? -- Richard Robinson "The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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Councils block in illegit driveways
kevallsop ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying: So how come the house across the road from me was refused planning permission for a second vehicular access to the road? How come there's a development going on at the moment just down from me which has had vehicular access restrictions placed upon the site? Quite possibly because some local authorities have planning guidance which restricts the number of parking places per dwelling. "In and out" driveways tend to potentially provide more parking spaces than a single driveway. Nope. They have exactly the same amount of parking space as they would have with an in-and-out drive. The planning permission for the second vehicular access was specifically refused on road safety grounds - apparently pedestrians would find it "confusing" having too many entrances, despite two accesses meaning there would still be a lower density than most other similar length stretches of this same road. |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:46:29 +0000, (Sn!pe) wrote: Mizter T wrote: I think we at utl should crosspost to uk.rec.sheds more often! After all, the major London termini station buildings are referred to as trainsheds... Waterlood of rubbish, eh? It makes me charing cross. Euston me with your puns. They cannon go on much longer someone will have to be victorias. -- C:WIN | Directable Mirror Arrays The computer obeys and wins. | A better way to focus the sun You lose and Bill collects. | licences available see | http://www.sohara.org/ |
Councils block in illegit driveways
On 21 Feb, 09:56, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:15:05 +0000 James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:46:29 +0000, (Sn!pe) wrote: Mizter T wrote: I think we at utl should crosspost to uk.rec.sheds more often! After all, the major London termini station buildings are referred to as trainsheds... Waterlood of rubbish, eh? It makes me charing cross. Euston me with your puns. They cannon go on much longer someone will have to be victorias. When will some saint ban crass puns? |
Councils block in illegit driveways
Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:15:05 +0000 James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:46:29 +0000, (Sn!pe) wrote: Mizter T wrote: I think we at utl should crosspost to uk.rec.sheds more often! After all, the major London termini station buildings are referred to as trainsheds... Waterlood of rubbish, eh? It makes me charing cross. Euston me with your puns. They cannon go on much longer someone will have to be victorias. Mornington Crescent! -- Michael Hoffman |
Councils block in illegit driveways
Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:46:29 +0000, (Sn!pe) Mizter T wrote: I think we at utl should crosspost to uk.rec.sheds more often! After all, the major London termini station buildings are referred to as trainsheds... Waterlood of rubbish, eh? It makes me charing cross. Euston me with your puns. They cannon go on much longer someone will have to be victorias. Yes, you can bank on that. It'll be a monument to cross-posting. Richard |
Councils block in illegit driveways
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, J. Chisholm wrote: Where I used to live some idiot insisted on parking his (almost)HGV on the footway. Apart from the damage and difficulty in getting past with prams/pushchair etc, the water main beneath the path eventually failed. Now if only it were worth suing such idiots. Why isn't it? If the damage is worth less than 5000 UKP (which seems likely), the council could do it via the small claims process. That's simple and quick, and the court can't award costs, so even if the council loses, it doesn't cost them anything other than the wasted time. Being a large organisation who would be launching these cases quite often, they could run the operation very cheaply, and pretty solidly, so they should do well at it. tom Hopefully someone in a LA will read this and take up your sensible suggestion. I suspect the problem will be that they'll need to prove (on the balance of probability-this being a civil matter) that the damage was caused by the property owner and not some random builder working on an adjacent property who happened to park his 7 tonne truck on the pavement. Jim |
Councils block in illegit driveways
On Feb 21, 10:10*am, MIG wrote:
On 21 Feb, 09:56, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:15:05 +0000 James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:46:29 +0000, (Sn!pe) wrote: Mizter T wrote: I think we at utl should crosspost to uk.rec.sheds more often! After all, the major London termini station buildings are referred to as trainsheds... Waterlood of rubbish, eh? It makes me charing cross. Euston me with your puns. They cannon go on much longer someone will have to be victorias. When will some saint ban crass puns Oh jolly good! -- Malc |
Councils block in illegit driveways
MIG wrote:
On 21 Feb, 09:56, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:15:05 +0000 James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:46:29 +0000, (Sn!pe) wrote: Mizter T wrote: I think we at utl should crosspost to uk.rec.sheds more often! After all, the major London termini station buildings are referred to as trainsheds... Waterlood of rubbish, eh? It makes me charing cross. Euston me with your puns. They cannon go on much longer someone will have to be victorias. When will some saint ban crass puns? Bravo! |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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from Michael Hoffman contains these words: They cannon go on much longer someone will have to be victorias. Mornington Crescent! Sorry, I'm going to have to challenge that. You've assumed that Illingfield's Rectangular Inversion Rule will allow you to double back across the Circle Line. Generally, it would, of course, but don't forget the escalator's out at Warren Street. -- Skipweasel Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. |
Councils block in illegit driveways
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 03:42:33PM +0000, Sn!pe wrote:
By all accounts, two-year-old compost is wonderfully friable. Does that mean we have to also cross-post to alt.2eggs.sausage.beans.tomatoes.2toast.largetea.c heerslove? -- David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age It's my experience that neither users nor customers can articulate what it is they want, nor can they evaluate it when they see it -- Alan Cooper |
Councils block in illegit driveways
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Sn!pe wrote: MIG wrote: Crossposted to uk.rec.sheds. For some reason I read that as "Composted ...". By all accounts, two-year-old compost is wonderfully friable. I've never composted a two-year-old. Do you have to qb anything special like shred them first ? Nick -- Serendipity: http://www.leverton.org/blosxom (last update 17th February 2008) "The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life" -- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996 |
Councils block in illegit driveways
Nick Leverton wrote in :
In article , Sn!pe wrote: MIG wrote: Crossposted to uk.rec.sheds. For some reason I read that as "Composted ...". By all accounts, two-year-old compost is wonderfully friable. I've never composted a two-year-old. Do you have to qb anything special like shred them first ? Nick If they still wear nappies it is advisable to take precautions before shredding. (H&SDOC/234/****/0067A) |
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