"Mizter T" wrote in message
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On 22 Feb, 13:11, "Paul Scott" wrote:

Still a lot closer to town than 'London' Stansted, Luton, or Gatwick
airports - indeed closer to central London than Heathrow airport.

Is there really a possibility that Stratford could be a terminus
though - I can't see why there would be any need? Because DB, when
they introduce their new mythical London - Berlin express (if only
they would!), wouldn't want to pay the extra to go to St. Pancras?
(Though being serious I can't see that whoever owns the CTRL/HS1 by
then would really offer a discounted rate for stopping short!)


I'm thinking of a situation where Eurostar are claiming that that there
isn't any space in 'their' terminus, due to their turnround requirements.
Because the Stratford platforms are on loops, another operator could stop
there and platforming at St Pancras wouldn't be an issue.

I recall similar arguments between GNER and NR re open access to Kings
Cross...

Paul S

"John B" wrote in message
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On 22 Feb, 14:36, Mizter T wrote:
There is also a slim possibility that Stratford could be a terminus for
incoming trains from the mainland.

A bit like Ryanair stopping at somewhere other than the obvious airport
IYSWIM...

Still a lot closer to town than 'London' Stansted, Luton, or Gatwick
airports - indeed closer to central London than Heathrow airport.

Is there really a possibility that Stratford could be a terminus
though - I can't see why there would be any need? Because DB, when
they introduce their new mythical London - Berlin express (if only
they would!), wouldn't want to pay the extra to go to St. Pancras?
(Though being serious I can't see that whoever owns the CTRL/HS1 by
then would really offer a discounted rate for stopping short!)

BR once ran a cut-price train up the ECML to Newcastle (or maybe
Edinburgh) that started from Finsbury Park.

Not sure whether the logic there was to avoid taking up paths into
King's Cross, or whether it was just about deterring 'normal'
passengers from taking that train instead of the full-price ones.

Either way, I'd've appreciated such a train when I was living in
Finsbury Park with a gf in Edinburgh, rather than sailing past my
house at 100mph and then getting home 45 minutes later...


'The Highwayman' - left Newcastle very late pm, took the coastal route
through Sunderland, arrived FP about 0600. Travelled on it once in the late
60s - don't think it ran for long though, it was a bit like a fully seated
sleeper...

Paul S

On 22 Feb, 14:58, John B wrote:
On 22 Feb, 14:36, Mizter T wrote:

There is also a slim possibility that Stratford could be a terminus for
incoming trains from the mainland.

A bit like Ryanair stopping at somewhere other than the obvious airport
IYSWIM...

Still a lot closer to town than 'London' Stansted, Luton, or Gatwick
airports - indeed closer to central London than Heathrow airport.

Is there really a possibility that Stratford could be a terminus
though - I can't see why there would be any need? Because DB, when
they introduce their new mythical London - Berlin express (if only
they would!), wouldn't want to pay the extra to go to St. Pancras?
(Though being serious I can't see that whoever owns the CTRL/HS1 by
then would really offer a discounted rate for stopping short!)

BR once ran a cut-price train up the ECML to Newcastle (or maybe
Edinburgh) that started from Finsbury Park.

Not sure whether the logic there was to avoid taking up paths into
King's Cross, or whether it was just about deterring 'normal'
passengers from taking that train instead of the full-price ones.


Never heard of anything like that, it's very interesting. I'm now
wondering whether there were ever any other similar examples,
excluding times when engineering works or something else going wrong
necessitated it (like the recent occasions when GNER terminated at FP
- I hear it was mayhem, and I guess it was similarly chaotic at Harrow
& Wealdstone when Virgin had to stop/start short there).


Either way, I'd've appreciated such a train when I was living in
Finsbury Park with a gf in Edinburgh, rather than sailing past my
house at 100mph and then getting home 45 minutes later...


Pull the cord, pull the cord... Unless you were somewhat exhausted
after she'd been pulling the cord...

I suspect I'm going to get the full £1000 fine and a custodial
sentence for wilful and misleading misuse of the (word) cord...

"Send him down"...

(I'm going to stop right now!)

On 22 Feb, 15:10, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"John B" wrote in message

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On 22 Feb, 14:36, Mizter T wrote:
There is also a slim possibility that Stratford could be a terminus for
incoming trains from the mainland.

A bit like Ryanair stopping at somewhere other than the obvious airport
IYSWIM...

Still a lot closer to town than 'London' Stansted, Luton, or Gatwick
airports - indeed closer to central London than Heathrow airport.

Is there really a possibility that Stratford could be a terminus
though - I can't see why there would be any need? Because DB, when
they introduce their new mythical London - Berlin express (if only
they would!), wouldn't want to pay the extra to go to St. Pancras?
(Though being serious I can't see that whoever owns the CTRL/HS1 by
then would really offer a discounted rate for stopping short!)

BR once ran a cut-price train up the ECML to Newcastle (or maybe
Edinburgh) that started from Finsbury Park.

Not sure whether the logic there was to avoid taking up paths into
King's Cross, or whether it was just about deterring 'normal'
passengers from taking that train instead of the full-price ones.

Either way, I'd've appreciated such a train when I was living in
Finsbury Park with a gf in Edinburgh, rather than sailing past my
house at 100mph and then getting home 45 minutes later...

'The Highwayman' - left Newcastle very late pm, took the coastal route
through Sunderland, arrived FP about 0600. Travelled on it once in the late
60s - don't think it ran for long though, it was a bit like a fully seated
sleeper...


I don't think Mr Band's old enough for it to have been that, is he?

Jonn

On 22 Feb, 15:24, wrote:
BR once ran a cut-price train up the ECML to Newcastle (or maybe
Edinburgh) that started from Finsbury Park.

'The Highwayman' - left Newcastle very late pm, took the coastal route
through Sunderland, arrived FP about 0600. Travelled on it once in the late
60s - don't think it ran for long though, it was a bit like a fully seated
sleeper...

I don't think Mr Band's old enough for it to have been that, is he?

That *is* the one I meant - indeed, it stopped running a long time
before I ever went anywhere near Finsbury Park (although I thought it
survived into the 80s - ah well, only out by 20 years or so...)

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

John B wrote:

On 22 Feb, 15:24, wrote:
BR once ran a cut-price train up the ECML to Newcastle (or maybe
Edinburgh) that started from Finsbury Park.

'The Highwayman' - left Newcastle very late pm, took the coastal route
through Sunderland, arrived FP about 0600. Travelled on it once in the late
60s - don't think it ran for long though, it was a bit like a fully seated
sleeper...

I don't think Mr Band's old enough for it to have been that, is he?

That *is* the one I meant - indeed, it stopped running a long time
before I ever went anywhere near Finsbury Park (although I thought it
survived into the 80s - ah well, only out by 20 years or so...)


Ah. I misread your first comment. Apologies...

Jonn

On 22 Feb, 15:06, "Paul Scott" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

On 22 Feb, 13:11, "Paul Scott" wrote:

Still a lot closer to town than 'London' Stansted, Luton, or Gatwick
airports - indeed closer to central London than Heathrow airport.

Is there really a possibility that Stratford could be a terminus
though - I can't see why there would be any need? Because DB, when
they introduce their new mythical London - Berlin express (if only
they would!), wouldn't want to pay the extra to go to St. Pancras?
(Though being serious I can't see that whoever owns the CTRL/HS1 by
then would really offer a discounted rate for stopping short!)

I'm thinking of a situation where Eurostar are claiming that that there
isn't any space in 'their' terminus, due to their turnround requirements.
Because the Stratford platforms are on loops, another operator could stop
there and platforming at St Pancras wouldn't be an issue.

I recall similar arguments between GNER and NR re open access to Kings
Cross...


But by the looks of things sooner or later Eurostar isn't going to be
the owner of and hence be in charge of St Pancras station. It does of
course depend on how LCR is split up - will St Pancras be vested in
the owner of HS1/CTRL, or with Eurostar UK Ltd (EUKL)?

There are arguments both ways - the train operator (EUKL) being in
charge makes some sense, with regards to the fact that they are the
ones who are using it every day, unless of course there are other new
operators on the scene when having an impartial station owner starts
to make a lot more sense.

Indeed how LCR is broken up could be taken as an indicator as to how
likely TPTB consider a new international operator is to come on to the
scene. Likewise, depending on how LCR is broken up, it could provide
the necessary incentive for a new operator, or indeed provide enough
of an obstacle so as to prevent a new operator considering it
worthwhile.

I think the argument for vesting the stations in the ownership of the
HS1/CTRL company is stronger, and of course a lot less messy, than the
counter arrangement. EUKL presence at St Pancras, along with any
potential future operators, would thus be like an airline at an
airport terminal.

All that said, it seems likely that DB is keen on working with
Eurostar as opposed to running competing services, so much of this
talk is probably just hypothetical.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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All that said, it seems likely that DB is keen on working with
Eurostar as opposed to running competing services, so much of this
talk is probably just hypothetical.

As usual then! - saves a few people doing their real work g.

Paul

John Rowland wrote:
Martin Edwards wrote:
John B wrote:
On 21 Feb, 09:13, Martin Edwards wrote:
At one time there was a train from Scotland to Harwich which used
the North London Line but did not stop at a London terminus. They
cancelled it because too many people used it.
Err, cite?

[happy to believe that there was a train and that it was cancelled]
Sorry, I really can't remember, but I took it from Birmingham to
Chelmsford several times. There was a great view of the "Scrubs".

I believe this is the train which was discussed on That's Life. BR wanted to
get rid of it, but they weren't allowed to, because too many people used it.
So they omitted it from all public timetables for a few years, but carried
on running it. When this caused usage to plummet, they were then allowed to
get rid of it. This would be approx 1980.


Yes that's it exactly. My parents saw the programme. Note that this
was just when Friedmanism was beginning to bite.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

On 22 Feb, 16:23, "Paul Scott" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

All that said, it seems likely that DB is keen on working with
Eurostar as opposed to running competing services, so much of this
talk is probably just hypothetical.

As usual then! - saves a few people doing their real work g.

Paul



Though some people get paid a pretty penny to ponder such issues.
However I'm sure it's all a little bit more staid that out jolly
newsgroup discussions!