I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and
someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the
barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the
inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The
guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are
staff not supposed to do something?

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www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk
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In message , MarkVarley -
MVP writes
I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and
someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the
barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the
inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The
guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are
staff not supposed to do something?

These days, there's a limit to what could be done to avoid personal
risk, be that physical abuse or trumped up "assault" charge. Oh for the
days when folk had more respect for rules and each other...
--
Kenny

On Mar 13, 11:05 am, MarkVarley - MVP
wrote:
I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and
someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the
barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the
inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The
guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are
staff not supposed to do something?

--
Mark.http://www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.ukwww....fulBondage.net

On station where there are more than one member of staff on the
gateline, they would be challenged.

If they are alone, then it could be dangerous to challenge someone.

Sometimes the staff are lucky and there are BTP on the station who are
sent after said non paying punter.

On Mar 13, 11:30 am, Kenny wrote:
In message , MarkVarley -
MVP writesI was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and
someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the
barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the
inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The
guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are
staff not supposed to do something?

These days, there's a limit to what could be done to avoid personal
risk, be that physical abuse or trumped up "assault" charge. Oh for the
days when folk had more respect for rules and each other...

Are LU staff legally allowed to grab someone? If they are I presume
this would only be on LU property so if he's legged it out the station
there wouldn't be much they could do anyway.

B2003

On 13 Mar, 17:10, Boltar wrote:
Are LU staff legally allowed to grab someone? If they are I presume
this would only be on LU property so if he's legged it out the station
there wouldn't be much they could do anyway.

Just as for anyone who has reasonable suspicion that an arrestable
offence has been committed, LU staff have the right to restrain a
suspected travel fraudster - on or off their property.

It's possible that their byelaws grant them additional rights on their
own property.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Mar 13, 11:05 am, MarkVarley - MVP
wrote:
I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and
someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the
barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the
inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The
guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are
staff not supposed to do something?

Why didn't you stop him?

On Mar 13, 5:54 pm, John B wrote:
On 13 Mar, 17:10, Boltar wrote:

Are LU staff legally allowed to grab someone? If they are I presume
this would only be on LU property so if he's legged it out the station
there wouldn't be much they could do anyway.

Just as for anyone who has reasonable suspicion that an arrestable
offence has been committed, LU staff have the right to restrain a
suspected travel fraudster - on or off their property.

Fare evasion used to be a non-arrestable offence, as was the byelaw of
failing to use the gates correctly (if, for example, the man who leapt
the gates had a valid ticket).
Recently, there have been changes to the laws of England and it may
now be that every offence is arrestable.

On 14 Mar, 02:24, Offramp wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:54 pm, John B wrote:

On 13 Mar, 17:10, Boltar wrote:

Are LU staff legally allowed to grab someone? If they are I presume
this would only be on LU property so if he's legged it out the station
there wouldn't be much they could do anyway.

Just as for anyone who has reasonable suspicion that an arrestable
offence has been committed, LU staff have the right to restrain a
suspected travel fraudster - on or off their property.

Fare evasion used to be a non-arrestable offence, as was the byelaw of
failing to use the gates correctly (if, for example, the man who leapt
the gates had a valid ticket).
Recently, there have been changes to the laws of England and it may
now be that every offence is arrestable.

Certainly DNA-able, regardless of guilt

Offramp wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:54 pm, John B wrote:
On 13 Mar, 17:10, Boltar wrote:

Are LU staff legally allowed to grab someone? If they are I presume
this would only be on LU property so if he's legged it out the station
there wouldn't be much they could do anyway.
Just as for anyone who has reasonable suspicion that an arrestable
offence has been committed, LU staff have the right to restrain a
suspected travel fraudster - on or off their property.

Fare evasion used to be a non-arrestable offence, as was the byelaw of
failing to use the gates correctly (if, for example, the man who leapt
the gates had a valid ticket).
Recently, there have been changes to the laws of England and it may
now be that every offence is arrestable.

By a constable. Other people can generally only arrest for indictable
offences.
--
Michael Hoffman

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:21:25 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote this gibberish:

On Mar 13, 11:05 am, MarkVarley - MVP
wrote:
I was waiting to meet someone at angel station the other day and
someone on their way out quite obviously and blatantly jumped over the
barrier and walked on his way, there was a member of staff on the
inner side of the barrier who just looked at him but did nothing. The
guy didn't even make a run for it he just strolled out normally, are
staff not supposed to do something?

Why didn't you stop him?

Because putting myself in the line of fire when someone has only
fractured a bylaw isn't something I do.
I have stopped people comitting other offences though, including a
recent thing at reading station.

--
Mark.
www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk
www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk
www.TwistedArts.co.uk
www.BeautifulBondage.net