On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:11:09 +0000, Steve M
wrote:

Jack Taylor wrote:
Steve M wrote:
Not true. There are only a few quieter stations anywhere else on the
network, and certainly none as close to Central London as Olympia.
There are around 400 entries and 400 exits during the AM peak (0700
to 1000) which, if divided between the 12 or so trains which run
during this period, give around 30 per train, or 5 per carriage. Off
peak, the numbers are lower.

Sorry - but that doesn't square with my observations on many afternoons, on
non-exhibition days, when there is a constant stream of (mainly) business
passengers feeding into both LUL and Overground services. I'd estimate at
least double those figures from about 15:30 onwards. I can't speak for the
morning peak, as I've never used it that early, apart from on Saturdays,
when I've experienced the kind of numbers that you suggest.



Fair enough, but those are the official 2006 figures (which now seem to
be available to the public on the TfL website). Perhaps during the off
peak, all the trains between 1000 and 1500 are empty, with everyone
piling on between 1500 and 1600? Saturday numbers show as 921 across
the whole traffic day.

How accurately do the entry/exit figures reflect passenger numbers?
Presumably anyone interchanging between Silverlink (as it was then)
and LUL with a season ticket/through ticket wouldn't get recorded...

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Paul Weaver
wrote:

On 14 Mar, 00:10, Sophie wrote:
Is it quicker to walk from Earl's Court to Kensington Olympia or get
the District Line to West Brompton and London Overground to Olympia?
Or even walk from Olympia to West Brompton and overground from there?
I'm not sure how often overground trains go but I think West Brompton
is a lot closer to Earl's Court than Olympia



West Brompton and Earls Court are practically two ends of the same
building.

Indeed. Many moons ago I lived just to the west of West Brompton; I
had a Z1 Travelcard and walked to Earl's Court...

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:11:09AM +0000, Steve M wrote:

Fair enough, but those are the official 2006 figures (which now seem to
be available to the public on the TfL website).

Measured how? By tickets sold at that station? Barrier entries/exits?
Both those will be too low - the latter especially, because at least
when I've gone there for an exhibition they've just opened the gates and
let everyone flood in and out unimpeded.

--
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

Languages for which ISO-Latin-$n is not necessary, #1 in a series:

Latin

On 14 Mar, 11:25, David Cantrell wrote:

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:11:09AM +0000, Steve M wrote:
Fair enough, but those are the official 2006 figures (which now seem to
be available to the public on the TfL website).

Measured how? By tickets sold at that station? Barrier entries/exits?
Both those will be too low - the latter especially, because at least
when I've gone there for an exhibition they've just opened the gates and
let everyone flood in and out unimpeded.


Opening the automatic gates at Kensington Olympia would be difficult
because there aren't any there!

On 14 Mar, 11:25, David Cantrell wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:11:09AM +0000, Steve M wrote:
Fair enough, but those are the official 2006 figures (which now seem to
be available to the public on the TfL website).

Measured how? *By tickets sold at that station? *Barrier entries/exits?
Both those will be too low - the latter especially, because at least
when I've gone there for an exhibition they've just opened the gates and
let everyone flood in and out unimpeded.

--
David Cantrell |http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

* Languages for which ISO-Latin-$n is not necessary, #1 in a series:

* * Latin

When I am sent to a station to count passengers, the normal process is
to count the numbers Joining and Alighting (and sometimes On Train
Departure) train by train. If these are the figures used then they
could, in a few cases overstate exits and entries as anyone
interchanging would be counted even though they don't actually leave
the station. In some cases, at London Bridge for example, we sometimes
count transfers between Eastern and Central, or at other locations we
have done specific barrier counts, usually in 5 or 15 minute bands for
the purposes of calculating passenger flows.

Clearly a fully gated station should give you an ongoing idea of
passenger numbes which "manual" checks should confirm. Even at fully
barrier controlled stations, however, a lot of people with strange/non
functioning tickets and special passes will be let through the gate by
staff. Hence the need for a physical count from time to time.

It should be pointed out that this is not an exact science - counting
bobbing heads (or feet and dividing by 2) is not as easy as it might
seem; but we do our best!

MaxB

On 14 Mar, 09:00, Mizter T wrote:
On 14 Mar, 00:10, Sophie wrote:

Is it quicker to walk from Earl's Court to Kensington Olympia or get
the District Line to West Brompton and London Overground to Olympia?
Or even walk from Olympia to West Brompton and overground from there?
I'm not sure how often overground trains go but I think West Brompton
is a lot closer to Earl's Court than Olympia

Woah, this is all sounding very complicated - any able bodied person
can (and dare I suggest should!) walk it no problem at all!

This street map shows just how close everything is:http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.sr...&y=178696&ar=N

In the bottom right hand corner of the map you can just see West
Brompton station - click on the 'Large Map' link to show a wider area.
Anyone arriving at West Brompton on a mainline train and heading for
Earls Court merely has to exit the station and the Earls Court
exhibition hall is immediately visible opposite - one definitely does
not need to take the District Line from West Brompton to Earls Court
station!

A small pocket A-Z map is an incredibly useful accessory for both
visitor and Londoner alike.

No need to be sarcastic, I do have an A-Z. I was just wondering if the
Kensington Olypmia announcer was giving the best advice, sometimes
rail staff don't. Or maybe they can't because everyone's going
somewhere different and the best way won't always be the same for
everyone. I just wanted to check I was right about the distances
because I'm not very intelligent

MaxB wrote:

It should be pointed out that this is not an exact science - counting
bobbing heads (or feet and dividing by 2) is not as easy as it might
seem; but we do our best!


They had an interesting counting thing at Euston a few weeks back. Any
time you entered any station entrance or came off a platform, you were
given a card of a certain colour. When you left the station or entered a
platform, you had to drop the coloured card into a box.

The idea being too see how many of which colour ended up where.

Of course, most people either immediately chucked the cards on the floor
or didn't remember or think to give them up when they left, so I'm not
sure what success rate they had in getting the cards back.

This was the WHOLE of Euston, LUL and NR (and OG, if you like!).

Steve M wrote in article
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MaxB wrote:
On 13 Mar, 21:08, Steve M wrote:
Jack Taylor wrote:
wrote:

Does this happen a lot? Why has the branch survived?
No - and because a hell of a lot of people use it.
Not true. There are only a few quieter stations anywhere else on
the
network, and certainly none as close to Central London as Olympia.
There
are around 400 entries and 400 exits during the AM peak (0700 to
1000)
which, if divided between the 12 or so trains which run during
this
period, give around 30 per train, or 5 per carriage. Off peak, the
numbers are lower. Roding Valley, Chigwell and Chesham are
lower... any
others?

You are referring to the Overground - the OP was talking about the
tube, and of the trains I observed (but didn't count) I would
reckon
up to 200 on several trains, maybe a 1000 in total between 0700 and
1000. Incidentally, we counted over 400 entries and exits just on
the
southbound platform.

MaxB

Nope, I'm referring to London Underground District Line services, and

the figures are LU's own. But I suppose those are subject to the
usual
caveats about data collection, surveys, people touching in and out
etc.

Those may be LU's figures but Kensington Olympia is a National Rail
station so I looked up their figures (annual, 2004-05, based on ticket
sales including seasons and the London Area Travel Survey)

It's number 257 (after Eastleigh, before Stoke-on-Trent) with 1,159,086
entries+exits (Surbiton, nr 37 has 5,845,840) so not a quiet station at
all.

See Berrylands, nr 1032 with 191,698

--
Mike D

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(Steve M) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Steve M) wrote:

Jack Taylor wrote:
wrote:
I was on a train at Earl's Court earlier and the announcer was
advising anyone who wanted Olympia to walk as it would be quicker
than waiting for the next train.

Does this happen a lot? Why has the branch survived?
No - and because a hell of a lot of people use it.
Not true. There are only a few quieter stations anywhere else on
the network, and certainly none as close to Central London as
Olympia. There are around 400 entries and 400 exits during the AM
peak (0700 to 1000) which, if divided between the 12 or so trains
which run during this period, give around 30 per train, or 5 per
carriage. Off peak, the numbers are lower. Roding Valley, Chigwell
and Chesham are lower... any others?

Yes, but how much exhibition traffic is at 0700 to 1000? What are
the evening figures, for example?

PM Peak = 397 entries, 384 exits. Evening (1900 to 2200) is 94 and
240!

I don't know how they are counting then. Whenever I go to KO (for
exhibitions), the place gets very crowded and those figures are obviously
rubbish.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 14 Mar, 00:15, Steve M wrote:
MaxB wrote:
On 13 Mar, 21:08, Steve M wrote:
Jack Taylor wrote:
wrote:
I was on a train at Earl's Court earlier and the announcer was
advising anyone who wanted Olympia to walk as it would be quicker than
waiting for the next train.
Does this happen a lot? Why has the branch survived?
No - and because a hell of a lot of people use it.
Not true. There are only a few quieter stations anywhere else on the
network, and certainly none as close to Central London as Olympia. There
are around 400 entries and 400 exits during the AM peak (0700 to 1000)
which, if divided between the 12 or so trains which run during this
period, give around 30 per train, or 5 per carriage. Off peak, the
numbers are lower. Roding Valley, Chigwell and Chesham are lower... any
others?

Cheers

Steve M

You are referring to the Overground - the OP was talking about the
tube, and of the trains I observed (but didn't count) I would reckon
up to 200 on several trains, maybe a 1000 in total between 0700 and
1000. *Incidentally, we counted over 400 entries and exits just on the
southbound platform.

MaxB

Nope, I'm referring to London Underground District Line services, and
the figures are LU's own. But I suppose those are subject to the usual
caveats about data collection, surveys, people touching in and out etc.
Is Kenny O gated?

Cheers

Steve M- Hide quoted text -

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Kenny O will be fully gated in October...
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