Traffic lights in North Greenwich
 

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...3892&encType=1
shows the new layout of the junction where Tunnel Avenue and Blackwall Lane
meet the A102.

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...2905&encType=1
shows the old layout.

The main change seems to be that previously you could turn right off the
northbound offslip and then turn left onto the northbound onslip (should you
so wish), whereas now the traffic turning right from the offslip is forced
into a segregated lane between the two carriageways which takes it past the
onslip without allowing access to it. The only reason I can think of for the
change is that they want to stop traffic from avoiding jams on the flyover
by coming though the junction... but since you can drive across into Tunnel
Avenue and do a comfortable leisurely U-turn back to the junction, only
losing a few seconds in the process, the change seems fairly pointless... I
saw some dangerous driver confusion while I was there, and the "No Entry"
text on the tarmac seems like an admission by the engineers that they have
created something baffling and dangerous.

Traffic lights in North Greenwich
 

The main change seems to be that previously you could turn right off the
northbound offslip and then turn left onto the northbound onslip (should you
so wish), whereas now the traffic turning right from the offslip is forced
into a segregated lane between the two carriageways which takes it past the
onslip without allowing access to it. The only reason I can think of for the
change is that they want to stop traffic from avoiding jams on the flyover
by coming though the junction

This is also why I thought they made the change. Certain several
drivers take this route.

... but since you can drive across into Tunnel
Avenue and do a comfortable leisurely U-turn back to the junction, only
losing a few seconds in the process, the change seems fairly pointless...

Whilst in principle this would be possible. In practice this would be
difficult in the morning peak as Blackwall Lane is so crowded.

However in any case, I believe there are two other ways by which
traffic exiting the northbound offslip can still enter the northbound
offslip.

First is take the middle lane on the northbound offslip (which is
signed ahead-only on the road surface) - you appear to be able to
fairly easily turn right onto the far side of the segregated Blackwall
Lane and you can then turn left onto the northbound onslip.

Second is to take the right-hand lane on the northbound offslip (which
is signed right-turn-only on the road surface) - you end up on the
near side of the segregated Blackwall Lane but for a car, it's just
possible to make a sharp left where the segregation ends and get on to
the northbound onslip (I have seen a car do this).

I
saw some dangerous driver confusion while I was there, and the "No Entry"
text on the tarmac seems like an admission by the engineers that they have
created something baffling and dangerous.

All in all, I think the engineers haven't achieved what they set out
to do. And considered the cost and inconvenience of the works, it
doesn't seem to have been a very well conceived project.

zin92

Traffic lights in North Greenwich
 

On 2 Apr, 03:49, "John Rowland"
wrote:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the new layout of the junction where Tunnel Avenue and Blackwall Lane
meet the A102.

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the old layout.

The main change seems to be that previously you could turn right off the
northbound offslip and then turn left onto the northbound onslip (should you
so wish), whereas now the traffic turning right from the offslip is forced
into a segregated lane between the two carriageways which takes it past the
onslip without allowing access to it. The only reason I can think of for the
change is that they want to stop traffic from avoiding jams on the flyover
by coming though the junction... but since you can drive across into Tunnel
Avenue and do a comfortable leisurely U-turn back to the junction, only
losing a few seconds in the process, the change seems fairly pointless... I
saw some dangerous driver confusion while I was there, and the "No Entry"
text on the tarmac seems like an admission by the engineers that they have
created something baffling and dangerous.

Don't you feel sorry for those who live on that little island amid
that traffic nightmare?

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Traffic lights in North Greenwich
 

Doug wrote:
On 2 Apr, 03:49, "John Rowland"
wrote:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the new layout of the junction where Tunnel Avenue and
Blackwall Lane meet the A102.

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the old layout.

The main change seems to be that previously you could turn right off
the northbound offslip and then turn left onto the northbound onslip
(should you so wish), whereas now the traffic turning right from the
offslip is forced into a segregated lane between the two
carriageways which takes it past the onslip without allowing access
to it. The only reason I can think of for the change is that they
want to stop traffic from avoiding jams on the flyover by coming
though the junction... but since you can drive across into Tunnel
Avenue and do a comfortable leisurely U-turn back to the junction,
only losing a few seconds in the process, the change seems fairly
pointless... I saw some dangerous driver confusion while I was
there, and the "No Entry" text on the tarmac seems like an admission
by the engineers that they have created something baffling and
dangerous.

Don't you feel sorry for those who live on that little island amid
that traffic nightmare?

They obviously like living there, why should anyone feel sorry for them?

Traffic lights in North Greenwich
 

Doug wrote:
On 2 Apr, 03:49, "John Rowland"
wrote:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the new layout of the junction where Tunnel Avenue and Blackwall Lane
meet the A102.

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the old layout.

The main change seems to be that previously you could turn right off the
northbound offslip and then turn left onto the northbound onslip (should you
so wish), whereas now the traffic turning right from the offslip is forced
into a segregated lane between the two carriageways which takes it past the
onslip without allowing access to it. The only reason I can think of for the
change is that they want to stop traffic from avoiding jams on the flyover
by coming though the junction... but since you can drive across into Tunnel
Avenue and do a comfortable leisurely U-turn back to the junction, only
losing a few seconds in the process, the change seems fairly pointless... I
saw some dangerous driver confusion while I was there, and the "No Entry"
text on the tarmac seems like an admission by the engineers that they have
created something baffling and dangerous.

Don't you feel sorry for those who live on that little island amid
that traffic nightmare?

--
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And this comment comes from somebody who lives in Catford!

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Tony the Dragon

Traffic lights in North Greenwich
 

On 2 Apr, 08:40, Tony Dragon wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 2 Apr, 03:49, "John Rowland"
wrote:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the new layout of the junction where Tunnel Avenue and Blackwall Lane
meet the A102.

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the old layout.

The main change seems to be that previously you could turn right off the
northbound offslip and then turn left onto the northbound onslip (should you
so wish), whereas now the traffic turning right from the offslip is forced
into a segregated lane between the two carriageways which takes it past the
onslip without allowing access to it. The only reason I can think of for the
change is that they want to stop traffic from avoiding jams on the flyover
by coming though the junction... but since you can drive across into Tunnel
Avenue and do a comfortable leisurely U-turn back to the junction, only
losing a few seconds in the process, the change seems fairly pointless... I
saw some dangerous driver confusion while I was there, and the "No Entry"
text on the tarmac seems like an admission by the engineers that they have
created something baffling and dangerous.

Don't you feel sorry for those who live on that little island amid
that traffic nightmare?


And this comment comes from somebody who lives in Catford!

Wrong again.

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Doug wrote:
On 2 Apr, 08:40, Tony Dragon wrote:

And this comment comes from somebody who lives in Catford!

Wrong again.

Are you denying that you live in Catford or that you made the comment?

Traffic lights in North Greenwich
 

Doug wrote:
On 2 Apr, 08:40, Tony Dragon wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 2 Apr, 03:49, "John Rowland"
wrote:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the new layout of the junction where Tunnel Avenue and Blackwall Lane
meet the A102.
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the old layout.
The main change seems to be that previously you could turn right off the
northbound offslip and then turn left onto the northbound onslip (should you
so wish), whereas now the traffic turning right from the offslip is forced
into a segregated lane between the two carriageways which takes it past the
onslip without allowing access to it. The only reason I can think of for the
change is that they want to stop traffic from avoiding jams on the flyover
by coming though the junction... but since you can drive across into Tunnel
Avenue and do a comfortable leisurely U-turn back to the junction, only
losing a few seconds in the process, the change seems fairly pointless... I
saw some dangerous driver confusion while I was there, and the "No Entry"
text on the tarmac seems like an admission by the engineers that they have
created something baffling and dangerous.
Don't you feel sorry for those who live on that little island amid
that traffic nightmare?

And this comment comes from somebody who lives in Catford!

Wrong again.

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Are you saying that you don't live in Catford?

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Traffic lights in North Greenwich
 

Doug (Doug ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Don't you feel sorry for those who live on that little island amid that
traffic nightmare?

If they moved there before the roads were built, a bit.

Traffic lights in North Greenwich
 

"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
...
Doug wrote:
On 2 Apr, 03:49, "John Rowland"
wrote:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the new layout of the junction where Tunnel Avenue and Blackwall
Lane
meet the A102.

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tyle=o&lvl=2&t...
shows the old layout.

The main change seems to be that previously you could turn right off the
northbound offslip and then turn left onto the northbound onslip (should
you
so wish), whereas now the traffic turning right from the offslip is
forced
into a segregated lane between the two carriageways which takes it past
the
onslip without allowing access to it. The only reason I can think of for
the
change is that they want to stop traffic from avoiding jams on the
flyover
by coming though the junction... but since you can drive across into
Tunnel
Avenue and do a comfortable leisurely U-turn back to the junction, only
losing a few seconds in the process, the change seems fairly pointless...
I
saw some dangerous driver confusion while I was there, and the "No Entry"
text on the tarmac seems like an admission by the engineers that they
have
created something baffling and dangerous.

Don't you feel sorry for those who live on that little island amid
that traffic nightmare?

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

And this comment comes from somebody who lives in Catford!

Can you call what Doug dose living? Existing maybe, but life seems to be
something that has decided not to venture near Doug for many a year now, even
our necrotic friend death doesn't seem to want to pop round for a quick cup
of tea with him.