"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li
On Apr 2, 10:48 am, wrote:

"The Croxley Rail Link is not just the icing on the cake for the
people of West Watford, it is the cherry on the icing of the cake."

While we're on the subject:

Wouldn't it make sense for the branch to be NR rather than LU? Watford
Junction and Watford High Street are NR stations, and AIUI the
Metropolitan line north of Harrow-on-the-Hill is also owned by NR (the
fasts, at least).

No, all the tracks are LU-owned from HoH to just north of Amersham.
Chiltern runs on LU metals, not vice versa.

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:34:40 -0700 (PDT), Adrian
wrote:

It will allow a large chunk of "Metroland" access to mainline services
without going by way of London Euston.

Access to very limited mainline services after the next timetable
change, i.e. one Manchester and one Birmingham an hour, as I recall,
and because it's not the terminus less choice of seats.

I think most would continue to go via Euston, especially given that
all of them[1] have a direct train to Euston Square whereas only some
will have one to Watford.

[1] OK, except Chesham...

Neil

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On 2 Apr, 19:47, Tom Anderson wrote:
Although now i'm confused about who owns the lines round there.

Anything electrified is LUL, anything not is NR. Thus all tracks
between HotH and Amersham are LUL.

Also, what were the railways around Watford like before they got axed and
mothballed and so on?

I made a map of it during a moment of boredom a while ago:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...eb4e8&t=h&z=14

U

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant
wrote:

On 2 Apr, 19:47, Tom Anderson wrote:
Although now i'm confused about who owns the lines round there.

Anything electrified is LUL, anything not is NR.

IIRC the boundary at Harrow is beyond the end of electrification on
the Marylebone route. Possibly likewise to the west of Amersham.

Thus all tracks
between HotH and Amersham are LUL.

Yes.
Also, what were the railways around Watford like before they got axed and
mothballed and so on?

I made a map of it during a moment of boredom a while ago:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...eb4e8&t=h&z=14

U

On 2 Apr, 19:04, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Boltar wrote:
On Apr 2, 10:48 am, wrote:

"The Croxley Rail Link is not just the icing on the cake for the
people of West Watford, it is the cherry on the icing of the cake."

Unless they're travelling to harrow or some other nearby suburb , why
would someone get the met from watford junction and be taken on a tour
of north west london when they could get a direct train to euston
instead?

They won't. Presumably, you'd like to see Croydon Tramlink closed down,
because it doesn't provide a sensible way to get to central London?

It does , its a feeder system to a number of mainline stations. But I
take the point.


Watford is a major town, and a centre of employment, in its own right.

True , but a lot of that employment is in industrial estates around
the town (I used to work in one of them back in the mid 90s) which
with the best will in the world arn't exactly easy walking distance
from watford junction.

B2003

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(Mr Thant) wrote:

On 2 Apr, 19:47, Tom Anderson wrote:
Although now i'm confused about who owns the lines round there.

Anything electrified is LUL, anything not is NR. Thus all tracks
between HotH and Amersham are LUL.

Also, what were the railways around Watford like before they got
axed and mothballed and so on?

I made a map of it during a moment of boredom a while ago:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...60141566065590
39825.00044285a70fcf91eb4e8&t=h&z=14

Line 4?

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On 2 Apr, 20:43, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 2 Apr, 19:47, Tom Anderson wrote:

Although now i'm confused about who owns the lines round there.

Anything electrified is LUL, anything not is NR. Thus all tracks
between HotH and Amersham are LUL.

Also, what were the railways around Watford like before they got axed and
mothballed and so on?

I made a map of it during a moment of boredom a while ago:http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...id=10601415660...

Curiously , looking at google earth and some pics online the track for
the croxley line is still in situ, even the conductor rail, except
that most of the bridges have been removed. Which means short of
getting a bunch of pikeys to drive a transit van up the embankment NR
will never be able to recover the track. Why wasn't the track lifted
befor the bridges were demolished? Or is this a new form of
mothballing?

B2003

Tom Anderson wrote:

But now i'm reading CULG and Clive says "LU
takes over ownership of all 6 tracks just south of [HotH]", and on
his layout diagram, the border is drawn on the NR lines, and not the
Met ones. Oh, but hang on, there's another border just north of
Amersham, at Mantles Wood junction. So do LU really own the shared
fasts from HotH to Mantles Wood? So Chiltern trains run over NR, then
LU, the NR?

Other than that Mantles Wood is not a junction, just a boundary, that is
correct. Mantles Wood to Harrow South Junction is entirely LUL, with
Chiltern having running rights over the fast lines.

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Boltar wrote:

On 2 Apr, 19:04, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Boltar wrote:
On Apr 2, 10:48 am, wrote:

"The Croxley Rail Link is not just the icing on the cake for the
people of West Watford, it is the cherry on the icing of the cake."

Unless they're travelling to harrow or some other nearby suburb , why
would someone get the met from watford junction and be taken on a tour
of north west london when they could get a direct train to euston
instead?

Watford is a major town, and a centre of employment, in its own right.

True , but a lot of that employment is in industrial estates around the
town (I used to work in one of them back in the mid 90s) which with the
best will in the world arn't exactly easy walking distance from watford
junction.

That's true enough. But bear in mind that other stations are being added
to the system: Watford High Street already exists, but will gain the
Croxley service, and that's pretty close to all the stuff on the southeast
corner of town (although i think that's mostly commercial); the estates on
the southwest corner of town aren't that far from the Ascot Way station,
and actually not that far from the existing Croxley LU, which will gain
more trains. For places on the northeast side of town, though, no, the new
train won't be so great. Unless they can work out through running onto the
St Albans Abbey branch!

Interestingly, running right through the middle of the huge industrial
estates on the southwest side of town is the old Watford and Rickmansworth
Railway alignment, now a cycle path. Perhaps one day that could also be
brought back into the fold.

tom

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Mr Thant wrote:

On 2 Apr, 19:47, Tom Anderson wrote:

Also, what were the railways around Watford like before they got axed and
mothballed and so on?

I made a map of it during a moment of boredom a while ago:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...eb4e8&t=h&z=14

Ooh, very good. But it doesn't show the Watford and Rickmansworth Railway!

And while rowlanding, i noticed yet another branch of that, coming off
the main line to Ricky he

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.6...=UTF8&t=h&z=16

And heading north. I saw a mention of a branch that was built to the
Croxley printworks - is this it? Seems a bit mad that this railway built
two separate branches that went to almost the same place. No wonder they
went bust.

tom

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