While the current insanity prevails at Bank, it would be very helpful
if PAYG was accepted between Lewisham/Greenwich and Cannon Street.

Could the readers on the NR barriers at Cannon Street be programmed
for this or heavy sarcasmwould Cannon Street have to be closed for
six months for the installation of standalone readers, accompanied by
the closure of Blackfriars, Charing Cross, Waterloo and Victoria due
to anticipated passenger flows, making London safer for the people who
have to go there by discouraging people from going there?/heavy
sarcasm

On 3 Apr, 11:45, MIG wrote:
While the current insanity prevails at Bank, it would be very helpful
if PAYG was accepted between Lewisham/Greenwich and Cannon Street.

This would be helpful anyway, but it's not going to happen because of
what is happening at Bank - it will happen as and when Southeastern
and Southern eventually agree to accept Oyster PAYG.

Is what's happening at Bank that insane? Escalators need to have heavy
maintenance done on them from time to time after all.


Could the readers on the NR barriers at Cannon Street be programmed
for this or heavy sarcasmwould Cannon Street have to be closed for
six months for the installation of standalone readers, accompanied by
the closure of Blackfriars, Charing Cross, Waterloo and Victoria due
to anticipated passenger flows, making London safer for the people who
have to go there by discouraging people from going there?/heavy
sarcasm

Installation of standalone Oyster readers at ungated stations doesn't
seem to require much of an upheaval at all - they do of course need to
be wired up to a reliable power source and have some sort of
communications link as well, but AFaICS it's not something that CTS
make a meal over doing.

Changing the topic slightly, I'm curious as to whether a plain vanilla
phone line can be used for the communications link, and if so whether
it has to be a dedicated line or if it can be shared with other kit
(e.g. ticket machine systems) or even people (i.e. staff)...

On Apr 3, 7:09*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 3 Apr, 11:45, MIG wrote:

While the current insanity prevails at Bank, it would be very helpful
if PAYG was accepted between Lewisham/Greenwich and Cannon Street.

This would be helpful anyway, but it's not going to happen because of
what is happening at Bank - it will happen as and when Southeastern
and Southern eventually agree to accept Oyster PAYG.

A decision has been made to block the only current PAYG route (DLR)
into Bank, so if decisions can be made to block passageways that are
unaffected by the works, surely decisions can be made to provide an
alternative PAYG route.


Is what's happening at Bank that insane? Escalators need to have heavy
maintenance done on them from time to time after all.

Yes. Totally insane. I am referring to the deliberate closure of
routes with no escalators and the principle of inconveniencing
passengers unnecessarily in order to discourage them from using a
station.

TfL's priority should be to provide safe and environmentally-friendly
transport in London. Instead, their priority seems to be to make one
tiny patch totally safe with no consideration of the effects on the
safety and efficacy of the rest of transport in London.

MIG wrote:
On Apr 3, 7:09 pm, Mizter T wrote:

Is what's happening at Bank that insane? Escalators need to have
heavy maintenance done on them from time to time after all.

Yes. Totally insane. I am referring to the deliberate closure of
routes with no escalators and the principle of inconveniencing
passengers unnecessarily in order to discourage them from using a
station.

TfL's priority should be to provide safe and environmentally-friendly
transport in London. Instead, their priority seems to be to make one
tiny patch totally safe with no consideration of the effects on the
safety and efficacy of the rest of transport in London.

Are we sure that the closed passages are not being used in connection with
the escalator works? It seems to me quite possible that a multiple
escalator replacement/refurbishment project would be completed more quickly
if there was more space available for materials and equipment during the
project.

What I cannot easily excuse is deliberately concealing from the public that
the interchange route from the western end of the District platforms to the
Northern Line is open as usual. It even had "Central Line" signed that way
at Monument today despite that part of the sign being individually
illuminated. Perhap they can't find the 'off' switch!
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Apr 4, 12:26*am, "Richard J." wrote:
MIG wrote:
On Apr 3, 7:09 pm, Mizter T wrote:
Is what's happening at Bank that insane? Escalators need to have
heavy maintenance done on them from time to time after all.

Yes. *Totally insane. *I am referring to the deliberate closure of
routes with no escalators and the principle of inconveniencing
passengers unnecessarily in order to discourage them from using a
station.

TfL's priority should be to provide safe and environmentally-friendly
transport in London. *Instead, their priority seems to be to make one
tiny patch totally safe with no consideration of the effects on the
safety and efficacy of the rest of transport in London.

Are we sure that the closed passages are not being used in connection with
the escalator works? *It seems to me quite possible that a multiple
escalator replacement/refurbishment project would be completed more quickly
if there was more space available for materials and equipment during the
project.

Very unlikely, because they are far from the works and both link the
Central Line platforms with other passageways that are in use.


What I cannot easily excuse is deliberately concealing from the public that
the interchange route from the western end of the District platforms to the
Northern Line is open as usual. It even had "Central Line" signed that way
at Monument today despite that part of the sign being individually
illuminated. *Perhap they can't find the 'off' switch!

You can get to the Central eventually, but might just as well use the
street.

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:27:33 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:

While the current insanity prevails at Bank, it would be very helpful
if PAYG was accepted between Lewisham/Greenwich and Cannon Street.

This would be helpful anyway, but it's not going to happen because of
what is happening at Bank - it will happen as and when Southeastern
and Southern eventually agree to accept Oyster PAYG.

A decision has been made to block the only current PAYG route (DLR)
into Bank, so if decisions can be made to block passageways that are
unaffected by the works, surely decisions can be made to provide an
alternative PAYG route.

Just like they could have been made to allow PAYG between London
Bridge and New Cross/New Cross Gate during the ELL closure.

On Apr 5, 1:01*pm, asdf wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:27:33 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:
While the current insanity prevails at Bank, it would be very helpful
if PAYG was accepted between Lewisham/Greenwich and Cannon Street.

This would be helpful anyway, but it's not going to happen because of
what is happening at Bank - it will happen as and when Southeastern
and Southern eventually agree to accept Oyster PAYG.

A decision has been made to block the only current PAYG route (DLR)
into Bank, so if decisions can be made to block passageways that are
unaffected by the works, surely decisions can be made to provide an
alternative PAYG route.

Just like they could have been made to allow PAYG between London
Bridge and New Cross/New Cross Gate during the ELL closure.

You're forgetting that buses that can't cross the river are a
perfectly adequate replacement for the ELL (in the strange world of
TfL).

Actually, I wonder how the Oyster readers at the New Crosses are
currently programmed? Still, there would be a problem at the other
end.