MIG wrote:
The justification for closing the passageways is to prevent
congestion due to passenger flows getting diverted that way due to
the escalator works, and yet they reopen the passageways at the
busiest times.

Not exactly. The thinking is that by closing the passageways fewer
people will come to the station in the first place - this is even
spelt out explicitly in the staff briefing* on the closure.

The problem is it doesn't really work, and reopening the passageways
is the only pragmatic thing to do. Completely undermines the original
plan, and they tried not to the first couple of days this week, but
they seem to have given up now.

The vast majority of passageways are currently open,.

* http://tinyurl.com/5ofb9w

U

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On Apr 5, 7:54*pm, Mr Thant
wrote:
MIG wrote:
The justification for closing the passageways is to prevent
congestion *due to passenger flows getting diverted that way due to
the escalator works, and yet they reopen the passageways at the
busiest times.

Not exactly. The thinking is that by closing the passageways fewer
people will come to the station in the first place - this is even
spelt out explicitly in the staff briefing* on the closure.

The problem is it doesn't really work, and reopening the passageways
is the only pragmatic thing to do. Completely undermines the original
plan, and they tried not to the first couple of days this week, but
they seem to have given up now.

The vast majority of passageways are currently open,.

There is something deeply odd about deliberately creating dangerous
congestion in order to discourage dangerous congestion, but I think
that's clear to all of us now.

It might have been safer and more effective to let off stink bombs or
something. (The thought just popped into my mind that TfL would
probably let off stink bombs in order to discourage farting, using the
Bank logic.)

MIG wrote:

There is something deeply odd about deliberately creating dangerous
congestion in order to discourage dangerous congestion, but I think
that's clear to all of us now.

The basic idea is sound (i.e. keeping the Northern - DLR interchange,
and evacuation route from the DLR "clear")...But fails to take into
account the great British public.

The same can be witnessed during the evening peak at many a (National
Rail) London terminal, where despite repeated requests to wait on the
concourse for trains to be advertised, people crowd around the barriers,
causing congestion.

Cheers,

Barry

On Apr 6, 8:58*am, Barry Salter wrote:
MIG wrote:
There is something deeply odd about deliberately creating dangerous
congestion in order to discourage dangerous congestion, but I think
that's clear to all of us now.

The basic idea is sound (i.e. keeping the Northern - DLR interchange,
and evacuation route from the DLR "clear")...But fails to take into
account the great British public.

Blaming the public for this one instead of investigating the planning
process would be negligence.


The same can be witnessed during the evening peak at many a (National
Rail) London terminal, where despite repeated requests to wait on the
concourse for trains to be advertised, people crowd around the barriers,
causing congestion.

I am not aware of any situation at terminal stations where people are
forced to crowd around the barriers, to make using the barriers
unpleasant, in the hope of reducing crowding at the barriers by
discouraging people from using the station.

And 14 months just to replace 4 escalators???

Remember, they can only work overnight when the station is clear of public.

LEWIS

Why are there no information on the tube map? I would have removed the
interchange symbols and included a note.

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jhk

MIG wrote:
On Apr 6, 8:58 am, Barry Salter wrote:

The same can be witnessed during the evening peak at many a
(National Rail) London terminal, where despite repeated requests to
wait on the concourse for trains to be advertised, people crowd
around the barriers, causing congestion.

I am not aware of any situation at terminal stations where people are
forced to crowd around the barriers, to make using the barriers
unpleasant, in the hope of reducing crowding at the barriers by
discouraging people from using the station.

Take a trip to Marylebone in the evening peak, and you'll see exactly
what I'm talking about. It's made worse if a train fails, or platforms
are swapped, delaying advertising of platforms so that people crowd
round the vehicle gates, obstructing access to/from Platforms 1 and 2.

Then there's the times when regulars go to the platform their train
"always" leaves from, and miss it because the platform has been changed
and announced as having been changed, and they then outright *LIE* and
say it was advertised as being on the usual platform!

Cheers,

Barry

Remember, they can only work overnight when the station is clear of public.

Even with all the closures?

On Apr 6, 6:53*pm, alex_t wrote:
Remember, they can only work overnight when the station is clear of public.

Even with all the closures?

Bear in mind that the unnecessary closures which are causing most of
the problems are nowhere near the work.

MIG wrote:

Bear in mind that the unnecessary closures which are causing most of
the problems are nowhere near the work.

They have a significant area boarded up at the top and bottom of the
route where they are working, and there's a long passageway between
the two banks of escalators. While they might only be able to move
equipment at night, they should have plenty of space to work in during
the day.

U

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