On 30 Apr, 15:45, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrotehttp://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa..._route_map.pdf

The route from Dalston Junction round to Canonbury and then H&I is
shown in lurid green. What the map doesn't show is the route of the
NLL, which will continue (exactly as it does now) east from Canonbury
to Dalston Kingsland station and then on to Hackney Central. Dalston
Kingsland station is a very short distance north of Dalston Junction.

The ELLX will actually be on the tracks of the NLL passenger service between
Dalston and Highbury & Islington, with the NLL shifted to the northern part
of the formation, using the current freight lines, and with the fourth track
reinstated. Between Highbury & Islington and Camden Road there will also be
four tracks, in this case two for the NLL passenger service and effectively
two freight loops.


Apologies, of course the NLL won't continue "exactly as it does now",
but rather "broadly as it does now", in the manner you describe - the
NLL service will basically stay the same, although of course it is set
to get a lot more frequent (8tph between Stratford and Camden Road as
opposed to the current 4, albeit with some rush-hour extras).


Half the ELLX trains will terminate at Dalston Junction, with only the other
half going on to Highbury & Islington.


I understand that actually 8tph will terminate at H&I on the ELL,
whilst 4tph will terminate at Dalston Junction. This information comes
from an an ORR document via Mr Thant's London Connections weblog - the
relevant post is here along with a diagram of the new service levels
on the NLL and bit of the ELL:

http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...e-upgrade.html


By the by, I am somewhat stuck as to whether to refer to the new East
London Line as the "ELL" or "ELLX" - I had until recently referred to
it as the ELLX (which of course made sense when London Underground's
ELL was still running), as the term seemed to encompass the great
expansion of the line. However the South London RUS referred to it as
the ELL, and that usage matches the NLL, WLL and SLL, so I half-
decided to drop the X. Of course this doesn't actually matter at all
because you'll all know what I'm talking about - nonetheless perhaps
we should coin an entirely new name for it - how about the Daldon /
Croyston / Highdon line / Croybury / Crystalburydon / Dalace /
Hoxdon / Croxdon line...you get the idea, and I suspect that several
of you could also do somewhat better too!

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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On 30 Apr, 15:45, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Mizter T"
wrotehttp://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa..._route_map.pdf

The route from Dalston Junction round to Canonbury and then H&I is
shown in lurid green. What the map doesn't show is the route of the
NLL, which will continue (exactly as it does now) east from Canonbury
to Dalston Kingsland station and then on to Hackney Central. Dalston
Kingsland station is a very short distance north of Dalston Junction.

The ELLX will actually be on the tracks of the NLL passenger service
between
Dalston and Highbury & Islington, with the NLL shifted to the northern
part
of the formation, using the current freight lines, and with the fourth
track
reinstated. Between Highbury & Islington and Camden Road there will also
be
four tracks, in this case two for the NLL passenger service and
effectively
two freight loops.


Apologies, of course the NLL won't continue "exactly as it does now",
but rather "broadly as it does now", in the manner you describe - the
NLL service will basically stay the same, although of course it is set
to get a lot more frequent (8tph between Stratford and Camden Road as
opposed to the current 4, albeit with some rush-hour extras).


Half the ELLX trains will terminate at Dalston Junction, with only the
other
half going on to Highbury & Islington.


I understand that actually 8tph will terminate at H&I on the ELL,
whilst 4tph will terminate at Dalston Junction. This information comes
from an an ORR document via Mr Thant's London Connections weblog - the
relevant post is here along with a diagram of the new service levels
on the NLL and bit of the ELL:

http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...e-upgrade.html


By the by, I am somewhat stuck as to whether to refer to the new East
London Line as the "ELL" or "ELLX" - I had until recently referred to
it as the ELLX (which of course made sense when London Underground's
ELL was still running), as the term seemed to encompass the great
expansion of the line. However the South London RUS referred to it as
the ELL, and that usage matches the NLL, WLL and SLL, so I half-
decided to drop the X. Of course this doesn't actually matter at all
because you'll all know what I'm talking about - nonetheless perhaps
we should coin an entirely new name for it - how about the Daldon /
Croyston / Highdon line / Croybury / Crystalburydon / Dalace /
Hoxdon / Croxdon line...you get the idea, and I suspect that several
of you could also do somewhat better too!

ELL - Thameslink East
WLL - Thameslink West
NLL - Crossrail North
SLL - Crossrail South

:-)

Paul S

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Paul Scott wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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By the by, I am somewhat stuck as to whether to refer to the new East
London Line as the "ELL" or "ELLX" - I had until recently referred to
it as the ELLX (which of course made sense when London Underground's
ELL was still running), as the term seemed to encompass the great
expansion of the line. However the South London RUS referred to it as
the ELL, and that usage matches the NLL, WLL and SLL, so I half-
decided to drop the X. Of course this doesn't actually matter at all
because you'll all know what I'm talking about - nonetheless perhaps we
should coin an entirely new name for it - how about the Daldon /
Croyston / Highdon line / Croybury / Crystalburydon / Dalace / Hoxdon /
Croxdon line...you get the idea, and I suspect that several of you
could also do somewhat better too!

Follow the example of the light blue line and just call it the Whitechapel
line?

ELL - Thameslink East
WLL - Thameslink West
NLL - Crossrail North
SLL - Crossrail South

The full orbital service - Thamescross Linkrail

tom

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