On 17 Apr, 14:07, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

I think this not insubstantial - there are six bus routes serving
Finchley Road, i believe.

They also serve Swiss Cottage, which has disused Met platforms, and
entrances at northbound and southbound bus stops.

So?


There are three at West Hampstead, and the
overlap with Finchley Road's routes is minimal, so unless many routes
were rearranged, the journeys possible via Finchley Road would be
lost. Finchley Road also has the hugemongous O2 leisure/shopping
centre (and a big Homebase),

The Homebase is nearer to West Hampstead than to Finchley Rd.

Only just. If you're arriving from points south then it would make
sense to alight at Finchley Road, from points east/north then West
Hampstead and the back entrance to Homebase is a good choice.


and is generally rather more of a high
street than West Hampstead.

I don't agree. Finchley Road is all poundstretchers and a strip club,
whereas West Hampstead is bars and restaurants. West Hampstead certainly has
more pedestrians than Finchley Rd at night, and possibly in the day too.


I disagree with you, I'm with Tom on this one. Finchley Road is more
of a shopping high street (it's got a Woolworths) and it does have
lots of pedestrians during the day - just because it's somewhat down
at heel doesn't disqualify it. And the o2 centre, with a large
Sainsbury's, is always pretty busy.

Yes, West End Road has more people who're out and about on it at
night, but that doesn't mean it's more of a high street.

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Mizter T wrote:

On 17 Apr, 14:07, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

I think this not insubstantial - there are six bus routes serving
Finchley Road, i believe.

They also serve Swiss Cottage, which has disused Met platforms, and
entrances at northbound and southbound bus stops.

So?

Maybe the point is that you could transfer the Met from Finchley Road to
West Hampstead, and also reopen the Met platforms at Swiss Cottage, and
that would keep everyone happy.

Except people heading to stations south of Swiss Cottage or north of West
Hampstead.

You could probably link Swiss Cottage up with South Hampstead station on
the WCML, too; if/when that gets assimilated into the NLL
post-Bakerloo-to-Watford, that would provide another useful link.

There are three at West Hampstead, and the
overlap with Finchley Road's routes is minimal, so unless many routes
were rearranged, the journeys possible via Finchley Road would be
lost. Finchley Road also has the hugemongous O2 leisure/shopping
centre (and a big Homebase),

The Homebase is nearer to West Hampstead than to Finchley Rd.

Only just. If you're arriving from points south then it would make sense
to alight at Finchley Road, from points east/north then West Hampstead
and the back entrance to Homebase is a good choice.

On the gripping hand, who goes to Homebase without a car, anyway?

and is generally rather more of a high street than West Hampstead.

I don't agree. Finchley Road is all poundstretchers and a strip club,
whereas West Hampstead is bars and restaurants. West Hampstead
certainly has more pedestrians than Finchley Rd at night, and possibly
in the day too.

I disagree with you, I'm with Tom on this one. Finchley Road is more of
a shopping high street (it's got a Woolworths) and it does have lots of
pedestrians during the day - just because it's somewhat down at heel
doesn't disqualify it. And the o2 centre, with a large Sainsbury's, is
always pretty busy.

Yes, West End Road has more people who're out and about on it at night,
but that doesn't mean it's more of a high street.

Basically, what we're saying is that we like strip clubs.

tom

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On 17 Apr, 15:20, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Mizter T wrote:

On 17 Apr, 14:07, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

I think this not insubstantial - there are six bus routes serving
Finchley Road, i believe.

They also serve Swiss Cottage, which has disused Met platforms, and
entrances at northbound and southbound bus stops.

So?

Maybe the point is that you could transfer the Met from Finchley Road to
West Hampstead, and also reopen the Met platforms at Swiss Cottage, and
that would keep everyone happy.

Except people heading to stations south of Swiss Cottage or north of West
Hampstead.

You could probably link Swiss Cottage up with South Hampstead station on
the WCML, too; if/when that gets assimilated into the NLL
post-Bakerloo-to-Watford, that would provide another useful link.

Can South Hampstead be categorised as being on the WCML? It would
normally be described as being on the DC lines, which follow the WCML
alignment most of the way to Watford Jn, but is it the WCML?

Likewise, could Hornsey be categorised as being on the ECML? Many
would describe it as being on the Great Northern route, but is it the
ECML?

I'd normally think of the ECML and WCML as being routes to Leeds and
Birmingham, but can they also be routes to the Swiss Cottage Odeon and
to Bob Hoskins' old house in Hornsey?


There are three at West Hampstead, and the
overlap with Finchley Road's routes is minimal, so unless many routes
were rearranged, the journeys possible via Finchley Road would be
lost. Finchley Road also has the hugemongous O2 leisure/shopping
centre (and a big Homebase),

The Homebase is nearer to West Hampstead than to Finchley Rd.

Only just. If you're arriving from points south then it would make sense
to alight at Finchley Road, from points east/north then West Hampstead
and the back entrance to Homebase is a good choice.

On the gripping hand, who goes to Homebase without a car, anyway?


I do! By bike, on foot and by public transport. I genuinely know some
people who made multiple trips by tube to Finchley Road to get to
Homebase whilst they were doing up their new place.

A car is pretty useful though!


and is generally rather more of a high street than West Hampstead.

I don't agree. Finchley Road is all poundstretchers and a strip club,
whereas West Hampstead is bars and restaurants. West Hampstead
certainly has more pedestrians than Finchley Rd at night, and possibly
in the day too.

I disagree with you, I'm with Tom on this one. Finchley Road is more of
a shopping high street (it's got a Woolworths) and it does have lots of
pedestrians during the day - just because it's somewhat down at heel
doesn't disqualify it. And the o2 centre, with a large Sainsbury's, is
always pretty busy.

Yes, West End Road has more people who're out and about on it at night,
but that doesn't mean it's more of a high street.

Basically, what we're saying is that we like strip clubs.


And public transport should provide for both work and pleasure... er,
perhaps that should read work and leisure.

On 17 Apr, 16:09, Mizter T wrote:
On the gripping hand, who goes to Homebase without a car, anyway?

I do! By bike, on foot and by public transport. I genuinely know some
people who made multiple trips by tube to Finchley Road to get to
Homebase whilst they were doing up their new place.

A car is pretty useful though!

I've been from Finchley Road Homebase to Finsbury Park by tube laden
with DIY products several times [because I used to work on Finchley
Road rather than out of /sheer/ insanity], and even once from there to
Whitechapel [on way back from visiting friends in Kilburn].

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Maybe the point is that you could transfer the Met from Finchley Road to
West Hampstead, and also reopen the Met platforms at Swiss Cottage, and
that would keep everyone happy.


I thought the Swiss Cottage Met station was separate from the Jubilee
Line station? They were close (I think the Met station was where the A-
Z says the Jubilee Line station is) but there was no physical
connection and the Met station closed about a year after the Jubilee
Line (or Bakerloo as it probably was then) station opened. So I'm
going way off topic here but wouldn't you need to build connecting
passages, maybe a new entrance as well? The West Hampstead rebuilding
looks a big enough job already without bringing Swiss Cottage into
it.

Besides West Hampstead to Finchley Road is only a short distance -
about 5 mins walk? Would replacing the Finchley Road platforms with
West Hampstead platforms really make that much difference to people's
journeys?

South Hampstead-Swiss Cottage would be a good idea but they work quite
well as an interchange already. When I go to Finchley Road or further
north I go Euston to South Hampstead and then walk to Swiss Cottage.
Much smoother journey than via Baker Street and the journey seems
faster even if it isn't.

On 17 Apr, 16:38, John B wrote:
On 17 Apr, 16:09, Mizter T wrote:

On the gripping hand, who goes to Homebase without a car, anyway?

I do! By bike, on foot and by public transport. I genuinely know some
people who made multiple trips by tube to Finchley Road to get to
Homebase whilst they were doing up their new place.

A car is pretty useful though!

I've been from Finchley Road Homebase to Finsbury Park by tube laden
with DIY products several times [because I used to work on Finchley
Road rather than out of /sheer/ insanity], and even once from there to
Whitechapel [on way back from visiting friends in Kilburn].


Indeed, it's hardly an uncommon occurrence, and not everything from
Homebase weighs a ton or is awkwardly bulky. Even for larger items, if
one travels off-peak and is perhaps assisted by a companion then it
can be conveyed on public transport.

I'm quite sure that if one was to watch the comings and goings at
Finchley Road Homebase then a significant minority of punters would be
seen leaving the car park on foot, and Homebase bags aren't going to
be rare sightings at Finchley Rd or West Hampstead stations either.

Though one definitely doesn't want to spill that tin of paint on the
tube!

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Mizter T wrote:

On 17 Apr, 15:20, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Mizter T wrote:

On 17 Apr, 14:07, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

I think this not insubstantial - there are six bus routes serving
Finchley Road, i believe.

They also serve Swiss Cottage, which has disused Met platforms, and
entrances at northbound and southbound bus stops.

So?

Maybe the point is that you could transfer the Met from Finchley Road to
West Hampstead, and also reopen the Met platforms at Swiss Cottage, and
that would keep everyone happy.

Except people heading to stations south of Swiss Cottage or north of West
Hampstead.

You could probably link Swiss Cottage up with South Hampstead station on
the WCML, too; if/when that gets assimilated into the NLL
post-Bakerloo-to-Watford, that would provide another useful link.

Can South Hampstead be categorised as being on the WCML? It would
normally be described as being on the DC lines, which follow the WCML
alignment most of the way to Watford Jn, but is it the WCML?

Likewise, could Hornsey be categorised as being on the ECML? Many
would describe it as being on the Great Northern route, but is it the
ECML?

I'd normally think of the ECML and WCML as being routes to Leeds and
Birmingham, but can they also be routes to the Swiss Cottage Odeon and
to Bob Hoskins' old house in Hornsey?

I did pause to ponder this very question for a few moments before i wrote
that. I don't really know what to call the route from Euston to Watford as
a whole; the WCML could describe the fast pair, and perhaps the slows too,
and the DC Line could describe the, er, DC line. But what do you call the
whole thing?

I would usually apply Great Northern to the whole shebang coming out of
King's Cross, so that the ECML, in London, is part of the GN. I'm not
aware of an equivalent for the Euston line, though. What was it called
originally? The LNWR?

and is generally rather more of a high street than West Hampstead.

I don't agree. Finchley Road is all poundstretchers and a strip club,
whereas West Hampstead is bars and restaurants. West Hampstead
certainly has more pedestrians than Finchley Rd at night, and possibly
in the day too.

I disagree with you, I'm with Tom on this one. Finchley Road is more of
a shopping high street (it's got a Woolworths) and it does have lots of
pedestrians during the day - just because it's somewhat down at heel
doesn't disqualify it. And the o2 centre, with a large Sainsbury's, is
always pretty busy.

Yes, West End Road has more people who're out and about on it at night,
but that doesn't mean it's more of a high street.

Basically, what we're saying is that we like strip clubs.

And public transport should provide for both work and pleasure...

Quite so. The poles on tube trains, for example, could put to much better
use.

tom

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"Mizter T" wrote

Can South Hampstead be categorised as being on the WCML? It would
normally be described as being on the DC lines, which follow the WCML
alignment most of the way to Watford Jn, but is it the WCML?

IIRC South Hampstead has the remains of long disused platforms on the WCML
Slow Lines, as well as the extant platforms on the DC Lines. Is the medium
term plan still to extend the ELLX to Queens Park via Primrose Hill, so that
they would serve south Hampstead, extend the Bakerloo Line to Watford
Junction, and to withdraw the DC service out of Euston?

Peter.

In article
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Mizter T writes
Can South Hampstead be categorised as being on the WCML? It would
normally be described as being on the DC lines, which follow the WCML
alignment most of the way to Watford Jn, but is it the WCML?

Likewise, could Hornsey be categorised as being on the ECML? Many
would describe it as being on the Great Northern route, but is it the
ECML?

Hornsey is definitely on the ECML, even if it only has platforms on two
of the tracks. Nothing (except fiscal sanity) stops an Open Access
operator running a Hornsey to Morpeth service, for example.

South Hampstead is harder; the DC lines have a separate Engineering Line
Reference and don't follow the same alignment. I forget if it ever had
platforms on the WCML proper.

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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Sophie wrote:

Maybe the point is that you could transfer the Met from Finchley Road
to West Hampstead, and also reopen the Met platforms at Swiss Cottage,
and that would keep everyone happy.

I thought the Swiss Cottage Met station was separate from the Jubilee
Line station? They were close (I think the Met station was where the A-
Z says the Jubilee Line station is) but there was no physical connection
and the Met station closed about a year after the Jubilee Line (or
Bakerloo as it probably was then) station opened.

Yes, i think that's true.

So I'm going way off topic here but wouldn't you need to build
connecting passages, maybe a new entrance as well?

Yes.

The West Hampstead rebuilding looks a big enough job already without
bringing Swiss Cottage into it.

Oh, but while we're pondering implausible schemes, that's hardly a
consideration!

Besides West Hampstead to Finchley Road is only a short distance - about
5 mins walk? Would replacing the Finchley Road platforms with West
Hampstead platforms really make that much difference to people's
journeys?

I wonder. In principle, no, but people do seem to have a powerful aversion
to walking. Particularly walking between stations: wandering around inside
Bank is fine, but the same distance on the streets is somehow prohibitive.

South Hampstead-Swiss Cottage would be a good idea but they work quite
well as an interchange already. When I go to Finchley Road or further
north I go Euston to South Hampstead and then walk to Swiss Cottage.
Much smoother journey than via Baker Street and the journey seems faster
even if it isn't.

Interesting, i'd never thought of trying that, but it's a great idea!

tom

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