London Buses - Why do I bother?
 

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message rPydnXNqUbpYaZjVRVnyggA@plusnet, Colin McKenzie
writes
Mizter T wrote:

I can't help but feel that some people paint their pictures of yobbery
and thuggery with a very broad and indiscriminate brush.

Buses are for people who can't or won't cycle. Bike or train is nearly
always quicker, but sometimes you can't get your bike where it needs to be.

That's just a gross oversimplification.

As an example, I had to make a quick return journey today from the Methodist
Central Hall to Covent Garden. The bus worked a treat and a Tube journey,
by the time you take in the walking and/or change depending on how you handle
the journey it would have taken longer.

(I didn't have a bike on me!)

Ah, but if you had, it would have been even quicker and more convenient.

There's no "answer" as to what's the best mode; in the way of these
things "it depends".

Yes, it depends on whether it's too far to cycle, in which case the tube
is best!

tom

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On Apr 16, 11:33 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
I would therefore put forward 15 July as my preferred option of
that selection.

Looks good to me too. I have a meeting near Euston in the afternoon

I see a plan breaking out here...

Let's make it 15 July and invite others in from here?

I heartily endorse this product and/or service.

You may have seen me in such public information films as "The 15th Of
July? I Can Make That Too."

--
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john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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In message
,
John B writes
On Apr 16, 11:33 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
I would therefore put forward 15 July as my preferred option of
that selection.

Looks good to me too. I have a meeting near Euston in the afternoon

I see a plan breaking out here...

Let's make it 15 July and invite others in from here?

I heartily endorse this product and/or service.

You may have seen me in such public information films as "The 15th Of
July? I Can Make That Too."

That's a BTF film isn't it?
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

London Buses - Why do I bother?
 

In message , Tom
Anderson writes
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message rPydnXNqUbpYaZjVRVnyggA@plusnet, Colin McKenzie
writes
Mizter T wrote:

I can't help but feel that some people paint their pictures of yobbery
and thuggery with a very broad and indiscriminate brush.
Buses are for people who can't or won't cycle. Bike or train is
nearly always quicker, but sometimes you can't get your bike where it
needs to be.

That's just a gross oversimplification.

As an example, I had to make a quick return journey today from the
Methodist Central Hall to Covent Garden. The bus worked a treat and
Tube journey, by the time you take in the walking and/or change
depending on how you handle the journey it would have taken longer.

(I didn't have a bike on me!)

Ah, but if you had, it would have been even quicker and more convenient.

Er, yes Tom but I *didn't* have one, so was faced with "dealing with the
situation" in another way. For this journey, bus was best.

There's no "answer" as to what's the best mode; in the way of these
things "it depends".

Yes, it depends on whether it's too far to cycle, in which case the
tube is best!

Don't get the top deck views, either....... ;-)
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

London Buses - Why do I bother?
 

In message , Ian Jelf
writes

Looks good to me too. I have a meeting near Euston in the afternoon

I see a plan breaking out here...

Let's make it 15 July and invite others in from here?

I heartily endorse this product and/or service.

You may have seen me in such public information films as "The 15th Of
July? I Can Make That Too."

That's a BTF film isn't it?

It sounds more like an extract from the Simpsons to me.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

London Buses - Why do I bother?
 

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message , Tom Anderson
writes
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message rPydnXNqUbpYaZjVRVnyggA@plusnet, Colin McKenzie
writes

Buses are for people who can't or won't cycle. Bike or train is nearly
always quicker, but sometimes you can't get your bike where it needs to
be.

That's just a gross oversimplification.

As an example, I had to make a quick return journey today from the
Methodist Central Hall to Covent Garden. The bus worked a treat and
Tube journey, by the time you take in the walking and/or change depending
on how you handle the journey it would have taken longer.

(I didn't have a bike on me!)

Ah, but if you had, it would have been even quicker and more convenient.

Er, yes Tom but I *didn't* have one, so was faced with "dealing with the
situation" in another way. For this journey, bus was best.

That's like saying "I didn't have an Oyster card, and i was in six-inch
heels, so the best option in this case was going by space hopper". If you
weren't in the bus mindset, perhaps you would have had a bike.

There's no "answer" as to what's the best mode; in the way of these
things "it depends".

Yes, it depends on whether it's too far to cycle, in which case the tube is
best!

Don't get the top deck views, either....... ;-)

Equally, on a bus you don't get the views of the, er, tunnel walls ...

tom

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mimeotraditionalists

London Buses - Why do I bother?
 

In message , Tom
Anderson writes
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message , Tom
Anderson writes
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message rPydnXNqUbpYaZjVRVnyggA@plusnet, Colin McKenzie
writes

Buses are for people who can't or won't cycle. Bike or train is
nearly always quicker, but sometimes you can't get your bike where
it needs to be.
That's just a gross oversimplification.
As an example, I had to make a quick return journey today from the
Methodist Central Hall to Covent Garden. The bus worked a treat
and Tube journey, by the time you take in the walking and/or change
depending on how you handle the journey it would have taken longer.
(I didn't have a bike on me!)
Ah, but if you had, it would have been even quicker and more
convenient.

Er, yes Tom but I *didn't* have one, so was faced with "dealing with
the situation" in another way. For this journey, bus was best.

That's like saying "I didn't have an Oyster card, and i was in six-inch
heels, so the best option in this case was going by space hopper". If
you weren't in the bus mindset, perhaps you would have had a bike.

It wasn't that I was "in the bus mindset"; it was that I had arrived
with 47 visitors from Abingdon on (their) coach; they had gone into the
Methodist Central Hall to eat and I needed to go to Covent Garden area
and back.

In that instance the bus *was* the best method of transport.

There's no "answer" as to what's the best mode; in the way of
these things "it depends".
Yes, it depends on whether it's too far to cycle, in which case the
tube is best!

Don't get the top deck views, either....... ;-)

Equally, on a bus you don't get the views of the, er, tunnel walls ...

Indeed you do not.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

London Buses - Why do I bother?
 

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message , Tom Anderson
writes
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message , Tom
Anderson writes
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message rPydnXNqUbpYaZjVRVnyggA@plusnet, Colin McKenzie
writes

Buses are for people who can't or won't cycle. Bike or train is nearly
always quicker, but sometimes you can't get your bike where it needs to
be.
That's just a gross oversimplification.
As an example, I had to make a quick return journey today from the
Methodist Central Hall to Covent Garden. The bus worked a treat and
Tube journey, by the time you take in the walking and/or change
depending on how you handle the journey it would have taken longer.
(I didn't have a bike on me!)
Ah, but if you had, it would have been even quicker and more convenient.

Er, yes Tom but I *didn't* have one, so was faced with "dealing with the
situation" in another way. For this journey, bus was best.

That's like saying "I didn't have an Oyster card, and i was in six-inch
heels, so the best option in this case was going by space hopper". If you
weren't in the bus mindset, perhaps you would have had a bike.

It wasn't that I was "in the bus mindset"; it was that I had arrived with 47
visitors from Abingdon on (their) coach; they had gone into the Methodist
Central Hall to eat and I needed to go to Covent Garden area and back.

In that instance the bus *was* the best method of transport.

Aha. Fair enough - in that situation, i would be very hard-pressed to find
a way to justify how you could have come to have a bike.

tom

--
mimeotraditionalists

London Buses - Why do I bother?
 

Ian Jelf wrote:
In message rPydnXNqUbpYaZjVRVnyggA@plusnet, Colin McKenzie
writes
Buses are for people who can't or won't cycle. Bike or train is nearly
always quicker, but sometimes you can't get your bike where it needs
to be.

That's just a gross oversimplification.

As an example, I had to make a quick return journey today from the
Methodist Central Hall to Covent Garden. The bus worked a treat and a
Tube journey, by the time you take in the walking and/or change
depending on how you handle the journey it would have taken longer.

(I didn't have a bike on me!)

As far as I'm concerned, that comes under can't cycle!

Colin McKenzie

--
No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at
the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as
walking.
Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.

London Buses - Why do I bother?
 

In message , Tom
Anderson writes
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message , Tom
Anderson writes
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message , Tom
Anderson writes
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Ian Jelf wrote:

In message rPydnXNqUbpYaZjVRVnyggA@plusnet, Colin McKenzie
writes

Buses are for people who can't or won't cycle. Bike or train is
nearly always quicker, but sometimes you can't get your bike
where it needs to be.
That's just a gross oversimplification.
As an example, I had to make a quick return journey today from
Methodist Central Hall to Covent Garden. The bus worked a treat
Tube journey, by the time you take in the walking and/or change
depending on how you handle the journey it would have taken longer.
(I didn't have a bike on me!)
Ah, but if you had, it would have been even quicker and more convenient.
Er, yes Tom but I *didn't* have one, so was faced with "dealing
with the situation" in another way. For this journey, bus was best.
That's like saying "I didn't have an Oyster card, and i was in
six-inch heels, so the best option in this case was going by space
hopper". If you weren't in the bus mindset, perhaps you would have
had a bike.

It wasn't that I was "in the bus mindset"; it was that I had arrived
with 47 visitors from Abingdon on (their) coach; they had gone into
the Methodist Central Hall to eat and I needed to go to Covent Garden
area and back.

In that instance the bus *was* the best method of transport.

Aha. Fair enough - in that situation, i would be very hard-pressed to
find a way to justify how you could have come to have a bike.

Just to reveal my limited cycling credentials a bit, I do own a Brompton
but it's only been to London with me once.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk