Drivers protesting about a film
 

Seems some people have nothing better to do with their lives:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3787873.ece

Perhaps soldiers or policemen or doctors or insert any profession you
can think of here should protest about any film which shows them in a
bad light or shows something distressing related to what they do.

B2003

Drivers protesting about a film
 

On 21 Apr, 12:03, Boltar wrote:
Seems some people have nothing better to do with their lives:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3787873.ece

Perhaps soldiers or policemen or doctors or insert any profession you
can think of here should protest about any film which shows them in a
bad light or shows something distressing related to what they do.

Indeed, I don't recall any Police Federation protests about Hot
Fuzz...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Drivers protesting about a film
 

Seems some people have nothing better to do with their lives:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3787873.ece

Anyone knows when we should expect a Tube strike about the film? :-)

Drivers protesting about a film
 

alex_t wrote:
Seems some people have nothing better to do with their lives:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3787873.ece

Anyone knows when we should expect a Tube strike about the film? :-)

Will there be a long enough free slot on Bob Crow's annual strike planning
wallchart?

Yet another potential strike called off without much hue and cry last week:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7356004.stm

Paul

Drivers protesting about a film
 

In message
of
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:03:17 in uk.transport.london, Boltar
writes
Seems some people have nothing better to do with their lives:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3787873.ece

Perhaps soldiers or policemen or doctors or insert any profession you
can think of here should protest about any film which shows them in a
bad light or shows something distressing related to what they do.

B2003

That article has "Keith Norman, general secretary of Aslef (sic) [I
believe it ought to be ASLEF standing for Associated Society of
Locomotive Engineers and Firemen]" saying " ... Last year 249 bodies
ended up under trains. ..."

Can someone provide a reference to where he said so?
What is the origin of the figure?

Does that 249 refer to "Ones Under" on London Underground or nationally?
Where does the statistic come from? I failed to find 249 at
http://www.aslef.org.uk/s/search/101217/search/
I presume the incidence on those Jubilee platforms which have platform
edge doors is negligible. What does such a death cost? What would
platform edge doors cost?
I have always feared standing on LU platforms since watching Hitchcock's
39 Steps in which someone is pushed under an LU train.

I believe the Paris Métro used to have doors preventing platform access
when trains entered platforms. This feature presumably reduced dwell
time. I did not see it used when I last in Paris. What was it scrapped?
--
Walter Briscoe

Drivers protesting about a film
 

Boltar wrote:
Seems some people have nothing better to do with their lives:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3787873.ece

Perhaps soldiers or policemen or doctors or insert any profession you
can think of here should protest about any film which shows them in a
bad light or shows something distressing related to what they do.

B2003
As a driver who helps victims of train suicide I think it's very poor of
the company to take the 40 pieces of silver for this film to be made on
TFL premises, there is no rule about wiping our 3 members of the public
in a month and getting 10 years salary tax free, for some they never
make it back onto the front.

If a film company wants to make this film then fine but I don't think
that TFL should be involved, the effects on everyone involved can be
terrible, but I guess Boltar is made of sterner stuff and would be back
the following day after just a nip of brandy (make sure it's after the
drug and booze test)

Drivers protesting about a film
 

On 21 Apr, 15:20, Walter Briscoe wrote:

In message
of
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:03:17 in uk.transport.london, Boltar
writes

Seems some people have nothing better to do with their lives:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3787873.ece

Perhaps soldiers or policemen or doctors or insert any profession you
can think of here should protest about any film which shows them in a
bad light or shows something distressing related to what they do.


That article has "Keith Norman, general secretary of Aslef (sic) [I
believe it ought to be ASLEF standing for Associated Society of
Locomotive Engineers and Firemen]" [...]

Different publications use different house styles when it comes to
acronyms, and the Times is consistent with its use of Aslef. I can't
find reference to it in the Times style guide (which can be accessed
online) but I think those acronyms that can be said aloud as if they
were a word are thus treated like a proper noun and only the initial
letter is capitalised.

Drivers protesting about a film
 

On 21 Apr, 16:27, "www.waspies.net" wrote:
As a driver who helps victims of train suicide I think it's very poor of
the company to take the 40 pieces of silver for this film to be made on
TFL premises, there is no rule about wiping our 3 members of the public
in a month and getting 10 years salary tax free, for some they never
make it back onto the front.

You mean this *fictional* *comedy* film isn't really a Panorama
program in desguise and some of it actually might have been *made up*?
Well, I never... Next you'll be telling me the US government doesn't
really have Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones on the payroll fighting
aliens!

If a film company wants to make this film then fine but I don't think
that TFL should be involved, the effects on everyone involved can be
terrible, but I guess Boltar is made of sterner stuff and would be back
the following day after just a nip of brandy (make sure it's after the
drug and booze test)

Perhaps no films involving car accidents should ever be made in case
it offends someone who's ever been in a bad one then?

B2003

Drivers protesting about a film
 

In message , at 15:27:47 on Mon,
21 Apr 2008, www.waspies.net remarked:
As a driver who helps victims of train suicide I think it's very poor
of the company to take the 40 pieces of silver for this film to be made
on TFL premises, there is no rule about wiping our 3 members of the
public in a month and getting 10 years salary tax free, for some they
never make it back onto the front.

I have every sympathy with what you do in your job, but this is
just-another-case of "New Scientist" (or Which? Magazine) syndrome,
which is that any subject you don't know about seems to be depicted
pretty much OK, but anything you *do* know about is a complete travesty.

eg: Cop-shows on TV are staggeringly unrealistic when it comes to police
procedure; it's just not funny (if you worry about such things). On the
other hand, if you think scene-of-crimes officers double as a swat team,
or can read a cctv image of a car numberplate a mile away - keep
watching CSI-NewYork without complaining.
--
Roland Perry

Drivers protesting about a film
 

In message
, at
10:17:59 on Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Boltar remarked:
Perhaps no films involving car accidents should ever be made in case
it offends someone who's ever been in a bad one then?

Having been there and got the t-shirt, one of the most upsetting things
in the aftermath is any kind of funeral depicted on TV.

--
Roland Perry

Drivers protesting about a film
 

On 21 Apr, 18:19, Roland Perry wrote:
eg: Cop-shows on TV are staggeringly unrealistic when it comes to police
procedure; it's just not funny (if you worry about such things). On the
other hand, if you think scene-of-crimes officers double as a swat team,
or can read a cctv image of a car numberplate a mile away - keep
watching CSI-NewYork without complaining.

Have you seen The Wire? In terms of conveying the tedious grind,
rubbish equipment and dealing-with-demotivated-incompetents side of
police work, it seems to do quite well - at least, better than
anything else I've seen. I'm not sure how accurate it is in terms of
procedure though...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Drivers protesting about a film
 

In message
, at
11:34:45 on Mon, 21 Apr 2008, John B remarked:
Have you seen The Wire?

Never even heard of it. (I was a bit surprised that I'd only heard of
about half the BAFTA winners. Rather than going out, maybe I should stay
in more?)
--
Roland Perry

Drivers protesting about a film
 

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, www.waspies.net wrote:

Boltar wrote:
?
Seems some people have nothing better to do with their lives:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3787873.ece

Perhaps soldiers or policemen or doctors or insert any profession you
can think of here should protest about any film which shows them in a
bad light or shows something distressing related to what they do.

As a driver who helps victims of train suicide I think it's very poor of the
company to take the 40 pieces of silver for this film to be made on TFL
premises

If this film really is about suicides on the tube, and someone trying to
engineer one, then yes, this is in incredibly poor taste. But here's
something from the article:



But Crook, best known for playing the character of Gareth in The Office,
denied the new comedy about deaths on the London Underground was
insensitive.

"When I read the premise I thought this might be a touchy subject," he
said. "But it soon became obvious that wasn't what the film is about."

Crook, who said he was "very proud" of the British-made movie, said he was
"disappointed" people had been "jumping to conclusions".

"They're imagining we've made a very distasteful, bad-taste film, which we
haven't," he said. "Hopefully those people who have objected will go and
see it and realise they have got the wrong end of the stick."



Which makes it sounds like the union's concerns are misplaced. Do we have
any opinions from anyone who's actually seen the film?

tom

--
In-jokes for out-casts

Drivers protesting about a film
 

But Crook, best known for playing the character of Gareth in The Office,
denied the new comedy about deaths on the London Underground was
insensitive.

"When I read the premise I thought this might be a touchy subject," he
said. "But it soon became obvious that wasn't what the film is about."

Crook, who said he was "very proud" of the British-made movie, said he was
"disappointed" people had been "jumping to conclusions".

"They're imagining we've made a very distasteful, bad-taste film, which we
haven't," he said. "Hopefully those people who have objected will go and
see it and realise they have got the wrong end of the stick."



Which makes it sounds like the union's concerns are misplaced. Do we have
any opinions from anyone who's actually seen the film?

tom

--
In-jokes for out-casts

If someone's slagging off his bread and butter I would expect him to say
something like that. On Jonathon Ross last week he was also rather
flippant about the whole thing too. In fact I'm almost certain that he did
not even want to do the interview but "had to" just to plug the film. He
looked very uncomfortable IMHO.

Film itself not out till Fri I believe - although in the News of the screws
yest it was given a 1 star rating and basically called a load a crap (its
2hrs too)

Drivers protesting about a film
 

On Apr 22, 12:35 am, "Frank Incense" wrote:
Film itself not out till Fri I believe - although in the News of the screws
yest it was given a 1 star rating and basically called a load a crap (its
2hrs too)

Its a low budget british film. Who would expect it to be any good?

Anyway , there have been plenty of possibly potentially bad taste
films made on the tube. The was one a few years back which I saw
(can't remember the name - tried to google but can't find it) where
some driver was killed by a monster living in the tunnels. Didn't
notice them protesting about that one.

Some people just love to protest, it probably makes them feel
important.

B2003

Drivers protesting about a film
 

"Boltar" wrote in message
news:767b4858-f3c0-4b5c-86dd-


Anyway , there have been plenty of possibly potentially bad taste
films made on the tube. The was one a few years back which I saw
(can't remember the name - tried to google but can't find it) where
some driver was killed by a monster living in the tunnels. Didn't
notice them protesting about that one.


That must have been "CREEP" circa 2004. I cant imagine the RMT allowing
drivers to drive trains through tunnels where there are monsters chomping up
their drivers!
FFS its not real it's a movie!

Drivers protesting about a film
 

In message , Walter Briscoe
writes
That article has "Keith Norman, general secretary of Aslef (sic) [I
believe it ought to be ASLEF standing for Associated Society of
Locomotive Engineers and Firemen]"
I always thought it was ASLEF&C, when did they drop the last bit from
their name?
--
Clive

Drivers protesting about a film
 

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:39:58 +0100, Clive
wrote:

In message , Walter Briscoe
writes
That article has "Keith Norman, general secretary of Aslef (sic) [I
believe it ought to be ASLEF standing for Associated Society of
Locomotive Engineers and Firemen]"
I always thought it was ASLEF&C, when did they drop the last bit from
their name?

http://www.aslef.org.uk/information/...tory_of_aslef/
gives no mention of any previous name that I can see.

What's the C stand for?

Drivers protesting about a film
 

In message , James Farrar
writes
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:39:58 +0100, Clive
wrote:

In message , Walter Briscoe
writes
That article has "Keith Norman, general secretary of Aslef (sic) [I
believe it ought to be ASLEF standing for Associated Society of
Locomotive Engineers and Firemen]"
I always thought it was ASLEF&C, when did they drop the last bit from
their name?

http://www.aslef.org.uk/information/...tory_of_aslef/
gives no mention of any previous name that I can see.

What's the C stand for?
When I worked on the footplate in the 60s and 70s It was known as the
"Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers, Firemen & Cleaners. Hence
the name.
--
Clive

Drivers protesting about a film
 

On Apr 23, 7:24 pm, "Sargeant Rutter" wrote:
That must have been "CREEP" circa 2004. I cant imagine the RMT allowing

Yeah , that was the one,

B2003

Drivers protesting about a film
 

On 24 Apr, 09:27, Boltar wrote:
On Apr 23, 7:24 pm, "Sargeant Rutter" wrote:

That must have been "CREEP" circa 2004. I cant imagine the RMT allowing

Yeah , that was the one,

B2003

To be fair, a fantasy film about monsters, or even a film that shows a
rogue driver (or police officer, or lawyer, or army general) breaking
the rules isn't necessarily the same as a film implying that there is
a rule that allows drivers to benefit from suicides. I think I can
spot a kind of a difference.

Noticed a full page advert by the film makers using the protests as
publicity for what's probably a crap film anyway. Reminded of the
Last Temptation of Christ.

Drivers protesting about a film
 

MIG wrote:
On 24 Apr, 09:27, Boltar wrote:
On Apr 23, 7:24 pm, "Sargeant Rutter" wrote:

That must have been "CREEP" circa 2004. I cant imagine the RMT allowing
Yeah , that was the one,

B2003

To be fair, a fantasy film about monsters, or even a film that shows a
rogue driver (or police officer, or lawyer, or army general) breaking
the rules isn't necessarily the same as a film implying that there is
a rule that allows drivers to benefit from suicides. I think I can
spot a kind of a difference.

Noticed a full page advert by the film makers using the protests as
publicity for what's probably a crap film anyway. Reminded of the
Last Temptation of Christ.
Mark Kermode on 5 live said that the film was as funny as root canal
work, or as funny as running someone over with 200 ton of train.

Drivers protesting about a film
 

On 25 Apr, 17:01, "www.waspies.net" wrote:
Mark Kermode on 5 live said that the film was as funny as root canal
work, or as funny as running someone over with 200 ton of train.

Saw it last night, and don't know why it's been billed as a comedy.
The attempts at humour are mostly pretty awful and feel tacked on, and
it would have been a much better film without them. Certainly a
shorter film, anyway.

(they play "One Way or Another" over the montage where he's looking
for a victim, expertly fulfilling the hamfisted-use-of-music rule in
the Awful British Movie handbook)

U

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