Oh No Kenny O
 

On 27 Apr, 13:06, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

Anyway, if we're utilising such spurious reasoning then one could also
ask the question "Doesn't the fact that all the Nazis are supporting
Boris Ken tell you anything?"

For the context of the above:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ondon08.london

Oh The Guardian, that's a reliable source. I only know one person who's
voting BNP, and he's giving his second vote to Ken because he hates Boris so
much.


I did look quickly for this yesterday on the BNP website but I didn't
find it. However thanks to this story on the MayorWatch website...
http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/article_id-1474.html
...I found a link to the horses mouth on the London BNP webpages, and
here is what it says:

Source - http://london.bnp.org.uk/?p=61
---quote---
Our suggestion, however, is that you hold your nose and cast it in
favour of the Conservative candidate, Boris Johnson. This is not
because we think that Johnson would be any good as Mayor - he is as
Politically Correct as any of the other candidates and has no real
ties to our London - but because he wouldn’t be actively bad in the
way that Livingstone is. Nor do we have any time for the Conservative
party, with its long record of treason on Europe and supporting mass
immigration because it helps drive down wages. But, in this race, the
Tory clown Johnson is a lesser evil than the Marxist crank
Livingstone, so replacing the latter with the former would, on
balance, be an improvement for the majority of Londoners. So even if
Johnson condemns the BNP (and as a Tory ‘wet’ he’s bound to), a second
choice vote for him gives you the chance to vote BNP as your first
preference and still vote to get Livingstone out of office.
---/quote---


And this is what Boris Johnson has to say on the matter...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7366131.stm
---quote---
The British National Party are said to have told their voters to put
"the joker Boris" as their second preference.

But Mr Johnson told the programme: "I don't want a single second
preference vote from a BNP supporter."
---/quote---

The plans for Camden Town was Oh No Kenny O
 

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008, Stuart wrote:

MIG wrote:

In Camden, far from the station, the Stables market at least is under
threat,

Oh, i see. They're redeveloping it - in the sense of expanding it,
cleaning it up, adding better access, and putting a roof on it, not the
sense of turning it into a supermarket. Not what i'd call 'under threat'.
But maybe the current plan is only what it is because of the public
outcry.

Cheers for the info.

Certainly the new stories a few months back sounded pretty
devastating, but that may have been spin by the protesters competing
with spin by the developers.

I can see that the plans might effectively result in an indoor
shopping centre on the layout of the former market.

You don't have to go to Camden to visit an indoor shopping centre
(maybe I could have stopped after the first seven words of that
sentence).

The atmosphere of the market is set by the nature of the traders, not the
buildings they're in (up to a point), so the rebuild itself won't affect
it, but changes in the policy about who gets a space could do. The Camden
council document says they want to continue to have independent traders,
as now, rather than chains, so hopefully, the shopping centre scenario
won't come to pass.

It's more than under threat, when i went there a couple of weeks ago it was a
huge building site.

The arches where the furniture stall were have totally gone. the indoor
bit contianing the antiques market was closed and home to builders and
the stalls that back on to the road were all closed.

I was there yesterday. Here's a map of what was going on:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...1e65c8501d0a6f

The Stable Market is gone, the Canal market 'went on fire'... if the one
next to the tube station disappears thy won't need the tube extension

The Stable market most certainly is not gone, the Canal market got burnt
but is mostly still there, the Lock market, which you seem to have
forgotten, is untouched, and all the other non-market shops in Camden are
fine (apart from the ones which burnt down).

Jesus Christ! There's more! There are whole bits of space that aren't in
use by the market:

http://www.camdenguide.co.uk/news/catacombs.html
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...bs/index.shtml

Including an underground canal basin! UNDERGROUND CANAL BASIN!

So, there's even room for the Market to grow in the opposite direction -
downwards ...

Bit more he

http://www.glias.org.uk/news/229news.html#D

I have no idea how much of all this remains, and how much has already been
assimilated. But it seems the former Camden goods complex was rather
bigger than the market is now.

tom

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The plans for Camden Town was Oh No Kenny O
 

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:35:45 +0100, Stuart wrote:

The Stable Market is gone, the Canal market 'went on fire'... if the one
next to the tube station disappears thy won't need the tube extension

I was looking forward to visiting the markets. How much is left? The Canal
market was the one across the canal bridge and one the same side of the
road as Camden Town tube station, wasn't it?

Yes.

How much is left on the opposite side of the road?

All of it.

Except a fairly minor bit which is currently being redeveloped.

tom

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There are lousy reviews, and then there's empirical ****ness. -- pikelet

The plans for Camden Town was Oh No Kenny O
 

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:35:17 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote:

I was there yesterday. Here's a map of what was going on:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...1e65c8501d0a6f

What exactly is at the "Here be Goths" marker?

--
jhk

The plans for Camden Town was Oh No Kenny O
 

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:35:17 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote:

I was there yesterday. Here's a map of what was going on:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...1e65c8501d0a6f

What exactly is at the "Here be Goths" marker?

A lot of goths!

Sorry, it was a little bit of a joke. Just as ancient sea maps say "Here
be Dragons", to mean they don't really know what's there, i thought i'd
include an oblique reference to the fact that my cartography is also a bit
approximate.

tom

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The plans for Camden Town was Oh No Kenny O
 

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:35:17 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote:

I was there yesterday. Here's a map of what was going on:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...1e65c8501d0a6f


What exactly is at the "Here be Goths" marker?

A lot of goths!

Sorry, it was a little bit of a joke. Just as ancient sea maps say "Here
be Dragons", to mean they don't really know what's there, i thought i'd
include an oblique reference to the fact that my cartography is also a
bit approximate.

As this is uk.railway, I'll be anoraky enough to mention that there is
only one known map (well, globe) with the phrase :-)
http://www.maphist.nl/extra/herebedragons.html

I've never found a decent picture of it, sadly.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

The plans for Camden Town was Oh No Kenny O
 

"Arthur Figgis" wrote

As this is uk.railway, I'll be anoraky enough to mention that there is
only one known map (well, globe) with the phrase :-)
http://www.maphist.nl/extra/herebedragons.html

I recall seeing an early map ,of America which contained the, rather more
accurate, legend 'Extensive plain full of buffaloes'.

Peter

The plans for Camden Town was Oh No Kenny O
 

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Arthur Figgis wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:35:17 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote:

I was there yesterday. Here's a map of what was going on:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...1e65c8501d0a6f

What exactly is at the "Here be Goths" marker?

A lot of goths!

Sorry, it was a little bit of a joke. Just as ancient sea maps say "Here be
Dragons", to mean they don't really know what's there, i thought i'd
include an oblique reference to the fact that my cartography is also a bit
approximate.

As this is uk.railway, I'll be anoraky enough to mention that there is only
one known map (well, globe) with the phrase :-)
http://www.maphist.nl/extra/herebedragons.html

Well, yes. What i would have said, if i wasn't so lazy, is that it's a
phrased use by modern non-serious cartographers [1] in homage to the
ancient practice of actually drawing sea monsters on bits of the ocean
that were unknown, or at least empty; a practice which was not universal,
but at least exists in more than one instance.

tom

[1] With one use on a serious map - this is how the north pole of the
asteroid Vesta is labelled on a 1997 map:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/twic/2450510984/

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