DLR to Bethnal Green: Priced via Bank or Stratford?
 

On 29 Apr, 18:01, MIG wrote:
Yes, there's one near the bottom of the stairs from the Northern Line
platforms.

Sorry, I meant to ask about the arrivals platform. There's not a
second DLR validator, is there?

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DLR to Bethnal Green: Priced via Bank or Stratford?
 

On 29 Apr, 18:01, MIG wrote:
On 29 Apr, 17:13, Mr Thant
wrote:

On 29 Apr, 16:30, asdf wrote:

What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?

Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.

(Ignoring the current passageway/escalator closures.)

Well, you now [sometimes] have to pass the validator when arriving on
the DLR due to the one way system, which sends you along the
departures platform (which doesn't have its own validator, does it?).

Yes, there's one near the bottom of the stairs from the Northern Line
platforms.

(It's the one I touched "in" at when I forgot to touch in at Euston
and exited at Monument (for Cannon Street) and got charged the correct
zone 1 fare, as anecdoted before.)

Or is that the one you meant? I was comparing with the one in the
central passageway at the bottom of the escalators at the north end,
and can't remember if there's one at the bottom of the escalators from
Monument.

DLR to Bethnal Green: Priced via Bank or Stratford?
 

On 29 Apr, 18:10, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 29 Apr, 18:01, MIG wrote:

Yes, there's one near the bottom of the stairs from the Northern Line
platforms.

Sorry, I meant to ask about the arrivals platform. There's not a
second DLR validator, is there?

Ah, no; don't think so. I can picture two in the DLR part of the
station, but think logically that there must be a third.

That is, there must be one in each of the middle passageways at the
bottom of both sets of Escalators (to Central and District lines
respectively) and the one at the bottom of the Northern Line stairs.
I can't actually picture one at the Monument escalators, but think it
would have to be there.

DLR to Bethnal Green: Priced via Bank or Stratford?
 

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant wrote:

What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?

Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.

Ah, right. So it's not entirely obvious that the purpose of the
validator is for those entering/leaving the station using the lift to
KWS?

DLR to Bethnal Green: Priced via Bank or Stratford?
 

asdf wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant wrote:

What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?

Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.

Ah, right. So it's not entirely obvious that the purpose of the
validator is for those entering/leaving the station using the lift to
KWS?

Perhaps they should put a barrier line across the lift door! :-)

[not a serious suggestion - I'm unaware of the physical constraints down
there...]

Paul S

DLR to Bethnal Green: Priced via Bank or Stratford?
 

On Apr 29, 7:54*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
asdf wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant wrote:

What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?

Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.

Ah, right. So it's not entirely obvious that the purpose of the
validator is for those entering/leaving the station using the lift to
KWS?

Perhaps they should put a barrier line across the lift door! *:-)

[not a serious suggestion - I'm unaware of the physical constraints down
there...]


I really don't think it's anything to do with the lifts. I
hypothesise that there was a general decision to place validators
wherever anyone could enter or leave a DLR platform, regardless of the
barrier situation.

Not having them at Bank would have made Bank an exception, rather than
the other way round, and maybe the argument was never made.

Far more mysterious (has this been raised before?) are the Carnet
validators, which don't seem to exist at any other DLR stations.
Maybe they are to do with the lifts.

By the way, there are two Oyster validators at the north end, one
nearer the bottom of the escalators and one right by the cut through
to the departure platform. So that's three with the one at the bottom
of the Northern Line stairs and four with the one I am assuming to be
near the bottom of the Monument escalators.

DLR to Bethnal Green: Priced via Bank or Stratford?
 

MIG wrote

Not having them at Bank would have made Bank an exception, rather
than
the other way round, and maybe the argument was never made.

Far more mysterious (has this been raised before?) are the Carnet
validators, which don't seem to exist at any other DLR stations.
Maybe they are to do with the lifts.

Bank got Carnet validators because of the W&C line which had no
barriers at Bank in those distant days as it still hasn't at Waterloo.

--
Mike D

DLR to Bethnal Green: Priced via Bank or Stratford?
 

On 29 Apr, 23:54, MIG wrote:

(snip)

I really don't think it's anything to do with the lifts. I
hypothesise that there was a general decision to place validators
wherever anyone could enter or leave a DLR platform, regardless
of the barrier situation.

Not having them at Bank would have made Bank an exception, rather than
the other way round, and maybe the argument was never made.


Not true - there are no standalone Oyster readers/ validators at
Canning Town station, which is a gated station run by LU. There did
used to be standalone validators at the entrance to the NLL platforms
to enable those pax transferring between a paper rail ticket and
Oyster PAYG to touch-in/out, but the NLL at Canning Town is no longer
and neither are the validators.

The standalone Oyster validators at Bank are indeed somewhat
mysterious, though here on utl we have come up with a number of
theories about it in the past, the details of which I forget now!

How about this one - a passenger with a zones 1&2 Travelcard loaded on
Oyster boards a District line train at Olympia without touching-in
(the station is ungated), travels to Monument and then changes to the
DLR at Bank before travelling out to Beckton in zone 3 - this
passenger can thus validate their Oyster card at Bank DLR to enable
them to use Oyster PAYG to pay for the extra to travel in zone 3.
True, perhaps knowing that they were going to travel outside their
Travelcard's zones they should have touched-in at Olympia before they
began their journey, but nonetheless these readers at Bank DLR cater
for those who didn't for some reason.

I have a second theory, but you'll have to read on for that one...


Far more mysterious (has this been raised before?) are the Carnet
validators, which don't seem to exist at any other DLR stations.
Maybe they are to do with the lifts.


Carnets were only for use on the Underground in zone 1, so these
Carnet validators provided for passengers arriving into Bank on the
DLR who were using another DLR-only ticket to continue their journey
on the Underground with a pre-purchased carnet ticket.

Now someone's going to ask me about DLR-only tickets! Well, a number
of DLR rover and season tickets used to exist, though I'm not sure if
you could ever get a DLR-only single ticket to/from Bank, as I forget
the details of DLR ticketing in days gone by.

Indeed, one DLR-only ticket does still exist - or should I say DLR-and-
riverboat only, because it's the "DLR Rail & River Rover" ticket.

May I therefore suggest that the mysterious standalone validators at
Bank DLR cater for people who wish to touch-in/out and transfer
between using this DLR-only ticket and Oyster PAYG. Obscure perhaps,
but bear in mind that when Oyster was being planned there were still
other DLR-only tickets around, so maybe these validators are the
vestiges of this earlier planning. Additionally, perhaps the thinking
at one time was that the DLR might possibly charge different PAYG
fares from the Underground, in which case these validators would cater
for that (though it would be a nightmare nonetheless!).

DLR to Bethnal Green: Priced via Bank or Stratford?
 

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

MIG wrote

Not having them at Bank would have made Bank an
exception, rather than the other way round, and maybe
the argument was never made.

Far more mysterious (has this been raised before?)
are the Carnet validators, which don't seem to exist
at any other DLR stations. Maybe they are to do with
the lifts.

Bank got Carnet validators because of the W&C line which had no
barriers at Bank in those distant days as it still hasn't at Waterloo.


Sorry, that doesn't make any sense - before the W&C line platforms at
Bank were brought inside the gated area, passengers transferring from
the W&C to DLR at Bank had to go through gates to enter the gated
area. These gates were located in the passageway that has the
Greathead shield in it leading away from the W&C platforms - you can
still see an equipment box for the gates down there, indeed the box
still has some kit in it.

DLR to Bethnal Green: Priced via Bank or Stratford?
 

On Apr 30, 6:07*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 29 Apr, 23:54, MIG wrote:



(snip)

I really don't think it's anything to do with the lifts. *I
hypothesise that there was a general decision to place validators
wherever anyone could enter or leave a DLR platform, regardless
of the barrier situation.

Not having them at Bank would have made Bank an exception, rather than
the other way round, and maybe the argument was never made.

Not true - there are no standalone Oyster readers/ validators at
Canning Town station, which is a gated station run by LU. There did
used to be standalone validators at the entrance to the NLL platforms
to enable those pax transferring between a paper rail ticket and
Oyster PAYG to touch-in/out, but the NLL at Canning Town is no longer
and neither are the validators.

The standalone Oyster validators at Bank are indeed somewhat
mysterious, though here on utl we have come up with a number of
theories about it in the past, the details of which I forget now!

How about this one - a passenger with a zones 1&2 Travelcard loaded on
Oyster boards a District line train at Olympia without touching-in
(the station is ungated), travels to Monument and then changes to the
DLR at Bank before travelling out to Beckton in zone 3 - this
passenger can thus validate their Oyster card at Bank DLR to enable
them to use Oyster PAYG to pay for the extra to travel in zone 3.
True, perhaps knowing that they were going to travel outside their
Travelcard's zones they should have touched-in at Olympia before they
began their journey, but nonetheless these readers at Bank DLR cater
for those who didn't for some reason.

This came up before, and by that logic every LU platform ought to have
validators for people who realise after the start of their journey
that they want to go beyond their travelcard zones.

So, reasonable and helpful though it might be, I can't believe that
that's the reason.



I have a second theory, but you'll have to read on for that one...



Far more mysterious (has this been raised before?) are the Carnet
validators, which don't seem to exist at any other DLR stations.
Maybe they are to do with the lifts.

Carnets were only for use on the Underground in zone 1, so these
Carnet validators provided for passengers arriving into Bank on the
DLR who were using another DLR-only ticket to continue their journey
on the Underground with a pre-purchased carnet ticket.

Now someone's going to ask me about DLR-only tickets! Well, a number
of DLR rover and season tickets used to exist, though I'm not sure if
you could ever get a DLR-only single ticket to/from Bank, as I forget
the details of DLR ticketing in days gone by.

Indeed, one DLR-only ticket does still exist - or should I say DLR-and-
riverboat only, because it's the "DLR Rail & River Rover" ticket.

May I therefore suggest that the mysterious standalone validators at
Bank DLR cater for people who wish to touch-in/out and transfer
between using this DLR-only ticket and Oyster PAYG. Obscure perhaps,
but bear in mind that when Oyster was being planned there were still
other DLR-only tickets around, so maybe these validators are the
vestiges of this earlier planning. Additionally, perhaps the thinking
at one time was that the DLR might possibly charge different PAYG
fares from the Underground, in which case these validators would cater
for that (though it would be a nightmare nonetheless!).

This may be the answer then, given what you say about Canning Town (my
journeys there via DLR could be counted on the hands of one finger).

It does remind me about the standalone validator I saw in the corridor
at West Ham that was out of either order or service, possibly since
the closure of the Silverlink route.