On Sun, 4 May 2008 01:57:40 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:

The main purpose of the second experiment I proposed was to work out
if there actually was such a difference (I didn't think there would be
as on the face of it it seems a bit of a pointless over-complication).

The Hammersmith example would involve one-way gates, so I think you
are right.

The remaining experiment is to see what happens if you touch out via a
DLR/luggage gate at stage 2 and somehow avoid touching in at stage 3.

I'd prefer one where you touch out at a one-way gate at stage 2 and
avoid touching in (preferably at another one-way gate) at stage 3.

If this works OK (which I suspect it would), it would give a slightly
stronger result.

Or don't touch out at stage 2 but touch in at a DLR or luggage gate at
stage 3 (maybe if I'd touched in at the luggage gate I would have been
OK).

Yes, you would have been; there's no way for such a reader to tell
whether you're entering or leaving the system, so it can't punish you
for touching it while you're supposed to be "inside". (Although it's
not entirely clear whether you would then have been OK touching out at
your destination. The other experiment would reveal this.)

On Apr 29, 4:10*pm, asdf wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:22:58 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:
You can also get to Bethnal Green without going to Z3, changing at Bow
Church/Road and Mile End.

Ah right. *That messes up my query. *I wonder if there is another
route that is priced via outer zones making it normally cheaper but
which could be done via zone 1 with a period travelcard? *Will need to
think. *The original was due to the fact that I really was thinking of
going to Bethnal Green (although didn't).

Make the destination Hackney Wick instead of Bethnal Green.

Engineering works have inhibited my ability to test this out (and
denied me an opportunity for some tourism in Hackney) but I think that
the only way it could be done in zone 1 and 2 only, without going
through a barrier (thus invalidating the experiment), would be via
Olympia and might take too long, specially with all the changes,
adding an interesting complication if it did decide to asume a PAYG
extension.

Or possibly via Bakerloo and Willesden Junction if that doesn't
involve a barrier, but I can't remember. I am assuming that there is
definitely one at Highbury and Islington.

On Mon, 5 May 2008 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:

You can also get to Bethnal Green without going to Z3, changing at Bow
Church/Road and Mile End.

Ah right. *That messes up my query. *I wonder if there is another
route that is priced via outer zones making it normally cheaper but
which could be done via zone 1 with a period travelcard? *Will need to
think. *The original was due to the fact that I really was thinking of
going to Bethnal Green (although didn't).

Make the destination Hackney Wick instead of Bethnal Green.

Engineering works have inhibited my ability to test this out (and
denied me an opportunity for some tourism in Hackney) but I think that
the only way it could be done in zone 1 and 2 only, without going
through a barrier (thus invalidating the experiment), would be via
Olympia and might take too long, specially with all the changes,
adding an interesting complication if it did decide to asume a PAYG
extension.

Or possibly via Bakerloo and Willesden Junction if that doesn't
involve a barrier, but I can't remember. I am assuming that there is
definitely one at Highbury and Islington.

There isn't. You can pass freely between the NLL, Vic, and GN&C; the
only barriers are at the exit to the street.

My prediction is that it will charge the greater fare of Origin - Bank
and Origin - Hackney Wick, which would be the latter if you have a Z12
Travelcard, or the former if you just have PAYG.

On 5 May, 20:35, asdf wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2008 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:
You can also get to Bethnal Green without going to Z3, changing at Bow
Church/Road and Mile End.

Ah right. *That messes up my query. *I wonder if there is another
route that is priced via outer zones making it normally cheaper but
which could be done via zone 1 with a period travelcard? *Will need to
think. *The original was due to the fact that I really was thinking of
going to Bethnal Green (although didn't).

Make the destination Hackney Wick instead of Bethnal Green.

Engineering works have inhibited my ability to test this out (and
denied me an opportunity for some tourism in Hackney) but I think that
the only way it could be done in zone 1 and 2 only, without going
through a barrier (thus invalidating the experiment), would be via
Olympia and might take too long, specially with all the changes,
adding an interesting complication if it did decide to asume a PAYG
extension.

Or possibly via Bakerloo and Willesden Junction if that doesn't
involve a barrier, but I can't remember. *I am assuming that there is
definitely one at Highbury and Islington.

There isn't. You can pass freely between the NLL, Vic, and GN&C; the
only barriers are at the exit to the street.

I was forgetting that PAYG had already been accepted on NLL, and
assumed a legacy barrier.


My prediction is that it will charge the greater fare of Origin - Bank
and Origin - Hackney Wick, which would be the latter if you have a Z12
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On Tue, 6 May 2008 04:50:46 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:

Or possibly via Bakerloo and Willesden Junction if that doesn't
involve a barrier, but I can't remember. *I am assuming that there is
definitely one at Highbury and Islington.

There isn't. You can pass freely between the NLL, Vic, and GN&C; the
only barriers are at the exit to the street.

I was forgetting that PAYG had already been accepted on NLL, and
assumed a legacy barrier.

There never was a barrier.