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....what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major
projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? Paul S |
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On May 2, 12:49*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: ...what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? Paul S Probably not good. What I want to know is how a county, OK region, of seven million people could have such an abysmal choice of candidates? |
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On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT), Solario
wrote: On May 2, 12:49*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: ...what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? My guess is that those which are contractually committed will continue e.g. ELLX and DLR. I'm much less certain about Crossrail as I expect someone, somewhere will seek to reopen the funding package in order to exert some leverage. I wouldn't be surprised to see Superlink try again - Mr Schabas posted something in response to a recent article in the Standard. I certainly doubt the DfT will give Boris ELLX Phase 2 on a plate and I expect the Southern franchise "split" will stop dead in its tracks too. There are already dire reports emerging about its attractiveness to the private sector anyway due to the impact of Thameslink project disruption. Why would DfT want to fund Ken's spec for Inner London services if he's not around any more? Why would Boris want to spend the money either given he's all about value for money (i.e. cuts) rather than the output in terms of better service. The real issues that bother me are funding for Metronet once within TfL and just what work will go ahead and also the future of the bus network. The utter nonsense of Boris's bus policy could result in hundreds of millions of pounds being wasted on achieving next to nothing. I'd much rather that what money there is is spent on improving the network. The other shock people will get is bus cutbacks in West London if Boris scraps the westward CC zone and also the next fares revision. I don't recall hearing a word about Boris's policies on LU and Bus fares - prepare to be shocked come January next year. Probably not good. What I want to know is how a county, OK region, of seven million people could have such an abysmal choice of candidates? I'm actually more disappointed at what an utterly dreadful, lacklustre and irrelevant campaign it was. Very little of substance or importance was discussed (IMO) and I had 3 leaflets through my door and no canvassers at all. They all deserve a bloody great big kick up the arse if they think they can get away with a few soundbites and photos in the Standard as the sum total of their involvement with voters who have to go to work for a living. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT), Solario wrote: On May 2, 12:49 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: ...what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? My guess is that those which are contractually committed will continue e.g. ELLX and DLR. I'm much less certain about Crossrail as I expect someone, somewhere will seek to reopen the funding package in order to exert some leverage. I wouldn't be surprised to see Superlink try again - Mr Schabas posted something in response to a recent article in the Standard. I certainly doubt the DfT will give Boris ELLX Phase 2 on a plate and I expect the Southern franchise "split" will stop dead in its tracks too. There are already dire reports emerging about its attractiveness to the private sector anyway due to the impact of Thameslink project disruption. Why would DfT want to fund Ken's spec for Inner London services if he's not around any more? Why would Boris want to spend the money either given he's all about value for money (i.e. cuts) rather than the output in terms of better service. The real issues that bother me are funding for Metronet once within TfL and just what work will go ahead and also the future of the bus network. The utter nonsense of Boris's bus policy could result in hundreds of millions of pounds being wasted on achieving next to nothing. I'd much rather that what money there is is spent on improving the network. The other shock people will get is bus cutbacks in West London if Boris scraps the westward CC zone and also the next fares revision. I don't recall hearing a word about Boris's policies on LU and Bus fares - prepare to be shocked come January next year. I guess a lot depends on the small number of permanent staff at the GLA, and the transport commisioner etc. They'll need to brief Boris on the facts of all the projects - just like when Government changes and all the manifesto proposals get 'calmed down' by the civil service. I was also thinking though of the treasury tightening the purse strings - National Government aren't renowned for flashing the cash in the 'blue' parts of the country are they... Paul S |
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On May 2, 1:43*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT), Solario wrote: On May 2, 12:49*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: ...what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? My guess is that those which are contractually committed will continue e.g. ELLX and DLR. * I'm much less certain about Crossrail as I expect someone, somewhere will seek to reopen the funding package in order to exert some leverage. *I wouldn't be surprised to see Superlink try again - Mr Schabas posted something in response to a recent article in the Standard. I certainly doubt the DfT will give Boris ELLX Phase 2 on a plate and I expect the Southern franchise "split" will stop dead in its tracks too. There are already dire reports emerging about its attractiveness to the private sector anyway due to the impact of Thameslink project disruption. Why would DfT want to fund Ken's spec for Inner London services if he's not around any more? *Why would Boris want to spend the money either given he's all about value for money (i.e. cuts) rather than the output in terms of better service. The real issues that bother me are funding for Metronet once within TfL and just what work will go ahead and also the future of the bus network. The utter nonsense of Boris's bus policy could result in hundreds of millions of pounds being wasted on achieving next to nothing. *I'd much rather that what money there is is spent on improving the network. *The other shock people will get is bus cutbacks in West London if Boris scraps the westward CC zone and also the next fares revision. *I don't recall hearing a word about Boris's policies on LU and Bus fares - prepare to be shocked come January next year. Probably not good. What I want to know is how a county, OK region, of seven million people could have such an abysmal choice of candidates? I'm actually more disappointed at what an utterly dreadful, lacklustre and irrelevant campaign it was. *Very little of substance or importance was discussed (IMO) and I had 3 leaflets through my door and no canvassers at all. * They all deserve a bloody great big kick up the arse if they think they can get away with a few soundbites and photos in the Standard as the sum total of their involvement with voters who have to go to work for a living. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! Very succinct. I cannot argue with any of your points. This is a sad day for London. Then again, I can remember the election of Horace Cuttler. Not to mention the abolition of the GLC. So given time, London should bounce back. |
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Paul Scott wrote:
I guess a lot depends on the small number of permanent staff at the GLA, and the transport commisioner etc. They'll need to brief Boris on the facts of all the projects - just like when Government changes and all the manifesto proposals get 'calmed down' by the civil service. Johnson says that TfL senior management is paid too much and needs to be shaken up. If I were them, I would be looking for new jobs. -- Michael Hoffman |
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On May 2, 2:13*pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Paul Scott wrote: I guess a lot depends on the small number of permanent staff at the GLA, and the transport commisioner etc. They'll need to brief Boris on the facts of all the projects - just like when Government changes and all the manifesto proposals get 'calmed down' by the civil service. Johnson says that TfL senior management is paid too much and needs to be shaken up. If I were them, I would be looking for new jobs. -- Michael Hoffman The man sounds clueless. This is a time of great opportunities for London. Boris sounds like just the guy to miss them. |
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Michael Hoffman wrote:
Paul Scott wrote: I guess a lot depends on the small number of permanent staff at the GLA, and the transport commisioner etc. They'll need to brief Boris on the facts of all the projects - just like when Government changes and all the manifesto proposals get 'calmed down' by the civil service. Johnson says that TfL senior management is paid too much and needs to be shaken up. If I were them, I would be looking for new jobs. http://london-underground.blogspot.c...rom-boris.html -- Michael Hoffman |
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 22:39:19 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote: Michael Hoffman wrote: Paul Scott wrote: I guess a lot depends on the small number of permanent staff at the GLA, and the transport commisioner etc. They'll need to brief Boris on the facts of all the projects - just like when Government changes and all the manifesto proposals get 'calmed down' by the civil service. Johnson says that TfL senior management is paid too much and needs to be shaken up. If I were them, I would be looking for new jobs. http://london-underground.blogspot.c...rom-boris.html Yet more cheap politics in order to grab a headline. If LU loses Tim O'Toole as a result of a Boris mayoralty then that would be a complete travesty. He's the best MD we've had in the more than 20 years I've been with LU. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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Johnson says that TfL senior management is paid too much and needs to be shaken up. If I were them, I would be looking for new jobs. I wonder what that means for a certain LUL manager who posts in this newsgroup :-| |
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On May 2, 8:49*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: ...what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? Given that he has now won, I wonder if Mercedes, Scania, Volvo et al will be beating a path to his door tomorrow morning with their plans for New Routemaster (tm)? I'll believe it when I see it... |
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In message , Paul Scott
writes ...what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? I'm about to leave to work in London for three days. I'm looking forward to riding on Low Floor Routemasters by Monday! ;-) Seriously, I find the news deeply depressing. The greatest flowering of public transport in London since the days of Lord Ashfield, Frank Pick and Charles Holden is perhaps coming to an end. I always wished that Ken hadn't rejoined the Labour Party. His personal win the first time, seeing off all the party candidates, gave him a sense of neutrality in my book. This time, Boris hasn't "won" this election and - unusually - Ken hasn't "lost" it. The government has lost it and because of his (vague!) association with them, they've taken Ken down with them. If Boris turns out to be the best thing that's every happened to London then no-one will be more pleased than me and I consent to having my face liberally applied with egg for what I've just written. But I doubt that will happen. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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On May 2, 8:49*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: ...what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? Paul S Because of the long lead times I don't see either the Government or Boris having a lot of wriggle room on capital investment between now and the General election in 2010. I think that the ELLX phase 2 will be given the go ahead because of the knock on implications for Thameslink and Ken is already on record leaking the approval.The Olympics and Crossrail have a momentum of their own that can only increase overtime. If either project goes over budget much recrimination will take place. Local MP's, especially in London marginals, will be more concerned about the next General rather than Mayoral election and will be seeking investment in their constituencies.I expect lots of media froth on congestion charges and bus passes etc. The major area in which the Government and Boris might lock horns will be the expansion of Heathrow. |
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On May 3, 5:35*am, Ian Jelf wrote:
In message , Paul Scott writes ...what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? I'm about to leave to work in London for three days. * I'm looking forward to riding on Low Floor Routemasters by Monday! * ;-) Seriously, I find the news deeply depressing. * The greatest flowering of public transport in London since the days of Lord Ashfield, Frank Pick and Charles Holden is perhaps coming to an end. I always wished that Ken hadn't rejoined the Labour Party. * His personal win the first time, seeing off all the party candidates, gave him a sense of neutrality in my book. * This time, Boris hasn't "won" this election and - unusually - Ken hasn't "lost" it. * The government has lost it and because of his (vague!) association with them, they've taken Ken down with them. This is precisely the problem. Their resources and troops may have seemed useful, but they are more than spent on dragging around their shameful baggage. For me, Ken was the person who boosted Tony Blair by joining New Labour within a year of the invasion of Iraq and winning London for him. For that I despise him, and it is right that he should be punished even if my city is punished along with him. Most of what people remember Ken so fondly for ceased totally when he joined New Labour. They present him as "anti-war" despite him having said almost nothing on the subject for four years. They present him as anti-racist, despite him having chosen to join the party that's done most to whip up hysteria about asylum-seekers, terrorists etc. Ken was originally opposed on principle to directly-elected Mayors on the grounds that it's anti-democratic to put all the power in the hands of one person who can overrule an entire council. I concurred with that and was disappointed when he became determined to stand, even to the extent of leaving his party to do so. I wonder if Labour will lose its enthusiasm for supermayors now (and the Conservatives will find a new enthusiasm for them). But all this is nothing to my horror at the way that people whose grandparents resisted the Luftwaffe have elected a Nazi to the GLA. |
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On Fri, 2 May 2008 15:24:33 -0700 (PDT), alex_t
wrote: Johnson says that TfL senior management is paid too much and needs to be shaken up. If I were them, I would be looking for new jobs. I wonder what that means for a certain LUL manager who posts in this newsgroup :-| If you're referring to me then probably not a lot in the short term. Who knows what 18 months will bring. I expect that people rather more senior than me will be in the firing line and it will be TfL HQ and Corporate Departments that will get the most scrutiny initially. It's when we get bus and tube strikes (both quite likely given the 3 year pay deal for LU has just ended and Unite are demanding pay parity for bus drivers) that the fun will begin. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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On May 3, 9:00 am, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2008 15:24:33 -0700 (PDT), alex_t wrote: Johnson says that TfL senior management is paid too much and needs to be shaken up. If I were them, I would be looking for new jobs. I wonder what that means for a certain LUL manager who posts in this newsgroup :-| If you're referring to me then probably not a lot in the short term. Who knows what 18 months will bring. I expect that people rather more senior than me will be in the firing line and it will be TfL HQ and Corporate Departments that will get the most scrutiny initially. It's when we get bus and tube strikes (both quite likely given the 3 year pay deal for LU has just ended and Unite are demanding pay parity for bus drivers) that the fun will begin. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! I can just imagine the election taglinea being written in Labour/Lib Dem headquarters right now. "If this is what happens when one Tory is in charge, can you imagine a whole government?" If Boris cocks up, and the consensus seems to be he will, it could well scupper Cameron's ambitions to be Prime Minister. Neill |
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On Sat, 3 May 2008 02:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Neill
wrote: On May 3, 9:00 am, Paul Corfield wrote: On Fri, 2 May 2008 15:24:33 -0700 (PDT), alex_t wrote: Johnson says that TfL senior management is paid too much and needs to be shaken up. If I were them, I would be looking for new jobs. I wonder what that means for a certain LUL manager who posts in this newsgroup :-| If you're referring to me then probably not a lot in the short term. Who knows what 18 months will bring. I expect that people rather more senior than me will be in the firing line and it will be TfL HQ and Corporate Departments that will get the most scrutiny initially. It's when we get bus and tube strikes (both quite likely given the 3 year pay deal for LU has just ended and Unite are demanding pay parity for bus drivers) that the fun will begin. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! I can just imagine the election taglinea being written in Labour/Lib Dem headquarters right now. "If this is what happens when one Tory is in charge, can you imagine a whole government?" If Boris cocks up, and the consensus seems to be he will, it could well scupper Cameron's ambitions to be Prime Minister. Consensus was that his campaign would be gaffe-filled, too... |
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At 13:02:28 on Fri, 2 May 2008 Solario opined:-
On May 2, 12:49*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: ...what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? Paul S Probably not good. What I want to know is how a county, OK region, of seven million people could have such an abysmal choice of candidates? Maybe because you didn't stand. -- Thoss |
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In message
, at 23:42:22 on Fri, 2 May 2008, Mwmbwls remarked: The major area in which the Government and Boris might lock horns will be the expansion of Heathrow. Irrespective of who is for and against it - what's the chances of a third runway opening before oil is $400 a barrel? Incidentally, one of the new items in the USA at the moment is airlines "flying slower" in order to save fuel. One unexpected consequence of that is the need to make airports more efficient in order to turn the planes round quicker to make up time. -- Roland Perry |
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thoss wrote:
At 13:02:28 on Fri, 2 May 2008 Solario opined:- On May 2, 12:49 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: What I want to know is how a county, OK region, of seven million people could have such an abysmal choice of candidates? Maybe because you didn't stand. Only 2million voted though - Did 5 million abstain? |
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Mystery Flyer wrote:
thoss wrote: At 13:02:28 on Fri, 2 May 2008 Solario opined:- On May 2, 12:49 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: What I want to know is how a county, OK region, of seven million people could have such an abysmal choice of candidates? Maybe because you didn't stand. Only 2million voted though - Did 5 million abstain? The 7 million figure includes children. |
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Mystery Flyer gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying: Only 2million voted though - Did 5 million abstain? 45% turnout - which is far more than for the usual local election - even the last mayoral only saw about 35%. |
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In message , at 12:07:10 on Sat,
3 May 2008, John Rowland remarked: Only 2million voted though - Did 5 million abstain? The 7 million figure includes children. Turnout was 45% (biggest ever apparently), so with 2.20 million voting that gives an electorate of 4.88 million. -- Roland Perry |
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1506 wrote:
On May 2, 2:13 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote: Paul Scott wrote: I guess a lot depends on the small number of permanent staff at the GLA, and the transport commisioner etc. They'll need to brief Boris on the facts of all the projects - just like when Government changes and all the manifesto proposals get 'calmed down' by the civil service. Johnson says that TfL senior management is paid too much and needs to be shaken up. If I were them, I would be looking for new jobs. -- Michael Hoffman The man sounds clueless. This is a time of great opportunities for London. Boris sounds like just the guy to miss them. He is the kind of buffoon who gave the Python team the material for the Upper class twit of the year show. Be afraid, be very afraid. -- Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management decisions. -From “Rollerball” |
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On May 3, 10:20*am, Neill wrote:
On May 3, 9:00 am, Paul Corfield wrote: On Fri, 2 May 2008 15:24:33 -0700 (PDT), alex_t wrote: Johnson says that TfL senior management is paid too much and needs to be shaken up. If I were them, I would be looking for new jobs. I wonder what that means for a certain LUL manager who posts in this newsgroup :-| If you're referring to me then probably not a lot in the short term. Who knows what 18 months will bring. *I expect that people rather more senior than me will be in the firing line and it will be TfL HQ and Corporate Departments that will get the most scrutiny initially. It's when we get bus and tube strikes (both quite likely given the 3 year pay deal for LU has just ended and Unite are demanding pay parity for bus drivers) that the fun will begin. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! I can just imagine the election taglinea being written in Labour/Lib Dem headquarters right now. "If this is what happens when one Tory is in charge, can you imagine a whole government?" If Boris cocks up, and the consensus seems to be he will, it could well scupper Cameron's ambitions to be Prime Minister. He won't cock up. He won't be involved. The party will employ a bunch of racists and union-bashers and Boris will be forbidden to speak. |
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Paul Scott wrote:
....what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? Unlike most others in this thread, I'm prepared to give Boris a chance and judge him by his actions and results as mayor - rather than engage in rabid scaremongering, dubious fabrications and character assassination, without even the slightest reference to his manifesto; http://www.backboris.com/policy/transport/index.php It should not be forgotten that similar woeful diatribes were gushing forth in regards to Red Ken's initial appointment and he wasn't the total disaster that was so widely feared (although that may depend on how you view the congestion charge, for example). My main worry is that central government will play party politics and attempt to scupper progress as much as they can - even with existing projects that have been committed to. ESB |
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On 2 May, 22:01, Solario wrote:
This is a sad day for London. It would have been even sadder if that disingenuous whining little commie prick had stayed in power. B2003 |
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On 3 May, 15:30, MIG wrote:
He won't cock up. He won't be involved. The party will employ a bunch of racists You sad little ******. B2003 |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 23:42:22 on Fri, 2 May 2008, Mwmbwls remarked: The major area in which the Government and Boris might lock horns will be the expansion of Heathrow. Irrespective of who is for and against it - what's the chances of a third runway opening before oil is $400 a barrel? Incidentally, one of the new items in the USA at the moment is airlines "flying slower" in order to save fuel. One unexpected consequence of that is the need to make airports more efficient in order to turn the planes round quicker to make up time. While on the subject of oil prices - what's the prognosis for the 'special arrangement' with Venezuela? Paul |
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Ernst S Blofeld wrote:
rather than engage in rabid scaremongering, dubious fabrications and character assassination, without even the slightest reference to his manifesto; Isn't that what Usenet is for? -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On May 3, 9:44*am, wrote:
On Sat, 3 May 2008 13:19:27 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: Turnout was 45% (biggest ever apparently), so with 2.20 million voting that gives an electorate of 4.88 million. 2,456,990 papers counted out of an electorate of 5,419,913 - giving a turnout of 45.33% according to 'London Elects'. There were 2,415,958 'good' votes after 41,032 had been rejected and 13,034 seen to be blank papers. Now the UK can look forward to private health insurance and unchecked Drug makers, serves ya right for torching our White House in 1812...JG |
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On May 3, 6:36*pm, Boltar wrote:
On 3 May, 15:30, MIG wrote: He won't cock up. *He won't be involved. *The party will employ a bunch of racists You sad little ******. Very sad that Boris (ie his puppetmasters) won. On the bright side, Ken lost. Shame there weren't any decent candidates with a chance. |
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On May 3, 3:10*am, thoss wrote:
At 13:02:28 on Fri, 2 May 2008 Solario opined:- On May 2, 12:49*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: ...what might be the effect on TfL's ability to press on with all the major projects, given that Ken seems so much of a motivator? Paul S Probably not good. What I want to know is how a county, OK region, of seven million people could have such an abysmal choice of candidates? Maybe because you didn't stand. -- Thoss Had I stood, you may have stood against me. Given your superior wit, I would have lost my deposit. |
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On 3 May, 19:34, MIG wrote:
Shame there weren't any decent candidates with a chance. Well never mind eh. Maybe next time Left List won't bother resurrecting Nanna Moon to represent them and they might get more than 1/4 the BNP vote. I'm surprised George Galloway didn't put himself forward , though perhaps even he knew there weren't enough gullible bengalis in tower hamlets left to fall for his noble-sacrifice-for-the-people BS routine to get a look in for this gig. B2003 |
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On May 3, 10:49*pm, Boltar wrote:
On 3 May, 19:34, MIG wrote: Shame there weren't any decent candidates with a chance. Well never mind eh. Maybe next time Left List won't bother resurrecting Nanna Moon to represent them and they might get more than 1/4 the BNP vote. I'm surprised George Galloway didn't put himself forward , though perhaps even he knew there weren't enough gullible bengalis in tower hamlets left to fall for his noble-sacrifice-for-the-people BS routine to get a look in for this gig. Interesting guesses. Actually, the existence of the role is so wrong that the concept of a decent candidate probably makes no sense. Whoever you vote for, some politician ends up in a grossly overpowered and anti-democratic role. They should have a council where representatives of several constituencies could actually vote on stuff, avoiding whimsical (and expensive) swings of policy. They could call it, I dunno, the GLC? |
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On May 3, 3:43*pm, MIG wrote:
On May 3, 10:49*pm, Boltar wrote: On 3 May, 19:34, MIG wrote: Shame there weren't any decent candidates with a chance. Well never mind eh. Maybe next time Left List won't bother resurrecting Nanna Moon to represent them and they might get more than 1/4 the BNP vote. I'm surprised George Galloway didn't put himself forward , though perhaps even he knew there weren't enough gullible bengalis in tower hamlets left to fall for his noble-sacrifice-for-the-people BS routine to get a look in for this gig. Interesting guesses. Actually, the existence of the role is so wrong that the concept of a decent candidate probably makes no sense. *Whoever you vote for, some politician ends up in a grossly overpowered and anti-democratic role. They should have a council where representatives of several constituencies could actually vote on stuff, avoiding whimsical (and expensive) swings of policy. *They could call it, I dunno, the GLC? Nah, Middlesex County Council. |
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On 3 May, 23:43, MIG wrote:
On May 3, 10:49*pm, Boltar wrote: On 3 May, 19:34, MIG wrote: Shame there weren't any decent candidates with a chance. Well never mind eh. Maybe next time Left List won't bother resurrecting Nanna Moon to represent them and they might get more than 1/4 the BNP vote. I'm surprised George Galloway didn't put himself forward , though perhaps even he knew there weren't enough gullible bengalis in tower hamlets left to fall for his noble-sacrifice-for-the-people BS routine to get a look in for this gig. Interesting guesses. Actually, the existence of the role is so wrong that the concept of a decent candidate probably makes no sense. *Whoever you vote for, some politician ends up in a grossly overpowered and anti-democratic role. They should have a council where representatives of several constituencies could actually vote on stuff, avoiding whimsical (and expensive) swings of policy. *They could call it, I dunno, the GLC? Well, considering that more people voted for someone other than Boris it would be a good idea, I just have this sense of dread that the nasty party is coming back. But, given that Labour now seems to have more Conservative ideas that the Conservatives, maybe they have changed. What are the chances? |
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On May 4, 9:13*am, Railist wrote:
On 3 May, 23:43, MIG wrote: On May 3, 10:49*pm, Boltar wrote: On 3 May, 19:34, MIG wrote: Shame there weren't any decent candidates with a chance. Well never mind eh. Maybe next time Left List won't bother resurrecting Nanna Moon to represent them and they might get more than 1/4 the BNP vote. I'm surprised George Galloway didn't put himself forward , though perhaps even he knew there weren't enough gullible bengalis in tower hamlets left to fall for his noble-sacrifice-for-the-people BS routine to get a look in for this gig. Interesting guesses. Actually, the existence of the role is so wrong that the concept of a decent candidate probably makes no sense. *Whoever you vote for, some politician ends up in a grossly overpowered and anti-democratic role. They should have a council where representatives of several constituencies could actually vote on stuff, avoiding whimsical (and expensive) swings of policy. *They could call it, I dunno, the GLC? Well, considering that more people voted for someone other than Boris it would be a good idea, I just have this sense of dread that the nasty party is coming back. But, given that Labour now seems to have more Conservative ideas that the Conservatives, maybe they have changed. What are the chances? I tend to think that oppositions can say what they like, but whoever gets elected will carry out conservative policies. I would be amused to speculate on what the SWP's, I mean Left List's, pragmatic argument would be for continuing with PPP, handing over parts of LU to NR-style franchises etc, but we aren't going to find out. |
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On Sun, 4 May 2008 01:13:07 -0700 (PDT), Railist
wrote: On 3 May, 23:43, MIG wrote: They should have a council where representatives of several constituencies could actually vote on stuff, avoiding whimsical (and expensive) swings of policy. *They could call it, I dunno, the GLC? Well, considering that more people voted for someone other than Boris True, but Boris achieved a higher first-round percentage than Livingstone did in either 2000 or 2004. (Or 2008, obviously.) |
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