On 8 May, 17:12, John B wrote:
In this case, Person A wasn't talking about something sensible and
straightforward like extension fares - they were suggesting that the
price differential between Oyster and paper tickets should be
abolished, despite the fact that paper tickets are substantially more
expensive for TfL to deal with.

Says who? Because they have to deal with money? No one tops up an
Oyster card with cash do they?

But that doesn't alter the original point, which is that it saves us
all a lot of time and money if people use Oyster; therefore people who
don't use Oyster cost us all a lot of time and money; therefore it's
fair to charge them more for the privilege.

********. If it applies to Oyster it applies to every other walk of
life that can use cash as a payment method. TfL are just being tight
fisted arseholes.

B2003

On 8 May, 17:47, alex_t wrote:
B) If you think I'm giving TfL my credit card details you're leaving
in a dream world

Any reasonable explanation why not?

Yes. I've had bad experiences with direct debit in the past and TfL/LU
have proven themselves time and time again to be incompetant and I
don't need the hassle of either my details being nicked by some
minimum wage eejit working in their back room or more likely just a
foul up over payment with all the hassle that entails.

Yes, but the cost of paper tickets, handling, printing, proofing them
from fakes - all the extra costs that TfL needs to cover somehow. And

Fakes?? When the hell did anyone last see a fake paper travelcard!

the less people use paper tickets, the more expensive it gets for
single ticket (economy of scale) and the bigger loss for TfL.

So self fullfilling prophesy then - less people use them because they
jack the price up so they can claim they want to get rid of them
because less people use them and hence its less economic. Nice.

B2003

On 8 May, 17:30, James Farrar wrote:
Bottom line, when you get penalised because you screwed up - that's
no-one's fault but your own.

You are a jackass arn't you. I had money on me , ergo I didn't screw
up. Money is a valid form of payment in this country in case you
hadn't noticed and everywhere else excepts it without penalties.
Except TfL. Why? Because they're nasty spiteful little ****s who
couldn't run the proverbial **** up but make life harder than it needs
to be for no good reason.

B2003

On 8 May, 19:32, MIG wrote:
They lived in Cambridge and had no intention of getting Oyster cards
(£6 in deposits?). Welcome to London.

I get the feeling there are many people on here and in TfL who simply
don't want visitors in London , or if they do at least not using
public transport.

B2003

Boltar wrote:
On 8 May, 17:30, James Farrar wrote:
Bottom line, when you get penalised because you screwed up - that's
no-one's fault but your own.

You are a jackass arn't you. I had money on me , ergo I didn't screw
up. Money is a valid form of payment in this country in case you
hadn't noticed and everywhere else excepts it without penalties.
Except TfL. Why? Because they're nasty spiteful little ****s who
couldn't run the proverbial **** up but make life harder than it needs
to be for no good reason.

B2003



TFL have decided that they want people to use Oyster as it is cheaper
for them as they do not have to deal with the expense of handling cash,
it also means that the bus drivers etc do not have so much cash on them.
They have decided to give a discount to those who want to use Oyster.
If you do not want to avail yourself of this discount, don't, but
remember it is your choice, so stop complaining.
Do you use a season ticket, if so you are getting a discount on the
normal fares, but I expect you would not use one by the same token.

--
Tony the Dragon

Yes. I've had bad experiences with direct debit in the past and TfL/LU
have proven themselves time and time again to be incompetant and I
don't need the hassle of either my details being nicked by some
minimum wage eejit working in their back room or more likely just a
foul up over payment with all the hassle that entails.

My question was about credit card, not direct debit - and it is much
easier to get refund with credit card, compared to DD.


Fakes?? When the hell did anyone last see a fake paper travelcard!

About 6 months ago I saw in the news some gang that was busted for
making fake paper travelcards.


So self fullfilling prophesy then - less people use them because they
jack the price up so they can claim they want to get rid of them
because less people use them and hence its less economic. Nice.

I'd argue that majority of people switched to Oyster because it is
much more convenient.

On May 8, 9:49*pm, Tony Dragon wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 8 May, 17:30, James Farrar wrote:
Bottom line, when you get penalised because you screwed up - that's
no-one's fault but your own.

You are a jackass arn't you. I had money on me , ergo I didn't screw
up. Money is a valid form of payment in this country in case you
hadn't noticed and everywhere else excepts it without penalties.
Except TfL. Why? Because they're nasty spiteful little ****s who
couldn't run the proverbial **** up but make life harder than it needs
to be for no good reason.

B2003

TFL have decided that they want people to use Oyster as it is cheaper
for them as they do not have to deal with the expense of handling cash,
it also means that the bus drivers etc do not have so much cash on them.
They have decided to give a discount to those who want to use Oyster.
If you do not want to avail yourself of this discount, don't, but
remember it is your choice, so stop complaining.
Do you use a season ticket, if so you are getting a discount on the
normal fares, but I expect you would not use one by the same token.

You may have had some valid arguments about handling cash etc, but to
claim that £4 single fares are simply not availing oneself of a
discount is pure spin.

If fare increases had continued, a single zone 1 cash fare would have
been about £2 by now. It couldn't possibly have reached £4.

£1.50 instead of £2 could be described as a discount.

£4 instead of £2 is a penalty fare.

Boltar wrote:
On 8 May, 17:12, John B wrote:

But that doesn't alter the original point, which is that it saves us
all a lot of time and money if people use Oyster; therefore people
who don't use Oyster cost us all a lot of time and money; therefore
it's fair to charge them more for the privilege.

********. If it applies to Oyster it applies to every other walk of
life that can use cash as a payment method.

Not true. Other walks of life tend to offer *only* card payments when they
can't justify the cost of handling cash. For example, some all-night petrol
stations offer only credit card payments at the pump. Westminster have
started to abolish cash payments at parking meters.

If you can't manage to keep a balance on your Oyster, then use auto top-up.
Being paranoid about direct debits as though TfL were some shady back-street
rip-off joint is frankly just silly. If you are capable of letting the
balance on your Oyster card run out, presumably you are also capable of
running out of cash. Who would you have blamed if you'd arrived at the tube
station and found you had just 90p in your pocket with which to buy a cash
ticket?
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

In message
,
Boltar writes

Money is a valid form of payment in this country in case you hadn't
noticed and everywhere else excepts it without penalties. Except TfL.

Many companies, especially utilities and insurance companies, charge
extra for cash payments these days. Paying for gas and electricity by
cash add over 200 pounds a year to an 800 pound annual bill. There are
many other specific examples. For instance, Virgin media charge an
additional five pounds a month (60 a year) for cash payments.

--
Paul Terry

On Thu, 8 May 2008 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Boltar
wrote:

On 8 May, 17:30, James Farrar wrote:
Bottom line, when you get penalised because you screwed up - that's
no-one's fault but your own.

You are a jackass arn't you. I had money on me , ergo I didn't screw
up.

Then why are you whingeing?

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com