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Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out. It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube. I think one of the first things boris should at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
Boltar wrote:
I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out. It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube. I think one of the first things boris should at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. B2003 That's dreadful. I think Boris should introduce a scheme whereby you can top up your Oyster automatically when it runs out... Tom |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On 6 May, 10:10, Boltar wrote:
I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out. It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube. I think one of the first things boris should at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. You realise that if it benefits TfL, that means it benefits ratepayers, right? Cash handling is expensive and it is right that this should be reflected by putting prices at a deterrent level, thereby saving us all money and allowing more spending on improving the service... [as well as the auto-top-up point someone else mentioned, aren't there any newsagents near your house?] -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On Tue, 06 May 2008 11:06:01 +0100, Tom Barry
wrote: Boltar wrote: I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out. It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube. I think one of the first things boris should at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. B2003 That's dreadful. I think Boris should introduce a scheme whereby you can top up your Oyster automatically when it runs out... Tom I thought you could by registering your bank account details on the tfl site. |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 11:12 am, John B wrote:
On 6 May, 10:10, Boltar wrote: I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out. It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube. I think one of the first things boris should at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. You realise that if it benefits TfL, that means it benefits ratepayers, right? Cash handling is expensive and it is right that this should be reflected by putting prices at a deterrent level, thereby saving us all money and allowing more spending on improving the service... If small corner shops can handle cash and still make a profit TfL can. And it costs the same amount to support cash whether 1 person per week pays using it or 1 million. If shops charged more if you paid by cash than by card there'd be an outcry , but for some reason the same rules don't seem to apply for TfL and everyone just accepts it. B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 11:12 am, John B wrote:
[as well as the auto-top-up point someone else mentioned, aren't there any newsagents near your house?] If i'd known it had run out I'd have topped it up beforehand. Its a bit late when I'm already on the bus. B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 11:15 am, Scott wrote:
I thought you could by registering your bank account details on the tfl site. You'd have to be an idiot to give your bank details to TfL. B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On 6 May, 11:12, John B wrote:
On 6 May, 10:10, Boltar wrote: I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out. It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube. I think one of the first things boris should at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. You realise that if it benefits TfL, that means it benefits ratepayers, right? Cash handling is expensive and it is right that this should be reflected by putting prices at a deterrent level, thereby saving us all money and allowing more spending on improving the service... [as well as the auto-top-up point someone else mentioned, aren't there any newsagents near your house?] It is a bit like sticking your credit card behind the bar though. It makes people not notice what they are spending, with the likely result that they spend more. And you can only do it by registering to be electronically tagged. |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 12:18 pm, MIG wrote:
And you can only do it by registering to be electronically tagged. You can always have two cards. One is set with auto-top-up so it can never run out. The other is an unregistered card that you top-up with cash. Usually you use the unregistered card. Only if your registered card runs too low and you can't top it up do you use the registered card. (You could miss out on a daily cap if your card runs out part way though the day) Tim. |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 10:10*am, Boltar wrote:
I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out. It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube. I think one of the first things boris should at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. B2003 Bad luck, I used to do that all the time until I got an auto top up card. You can get an auto top up oyster card he https://oyster.tfl.gov.uk/oyster/gue...method=display The advantage of people paying by oyster isn't just reduced costs. It's also faster journey times. It used to take forever for a long queue to board a bus, when many people were paying cash. Now that paying cash is significantly more expensive, hardly anyone does. In a sense, having to effectively pay a penalty for using cash is the price we pay for faster journey times. I don't think the people who are responsibe for the difference between oyster and cash fares were motivated by spite. |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
Boltar wrote:
If small corner shops can handle cash and still make a profit TfL can. While we're about it I suggest bringing back old money such as the groat. Then you can really get your own back by handing the bus driver a big sack of coins. You could also dress as Dickens and wave said bag in front of the revenue inspectors on bendy buses. E. |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On Tue, 6 May 2008 03:50:47 -0700 (PDT), Boltar
wrote: On May 6, 11:15 am, Scott wrote: I thought you could by registering your bank account details on the tfl site. You'd have to be an idiot to give your bank details to TfL. B2003 That is a different question. What the poster said was: I think Boris should introduce a scheme whereby you can top up your Oyster automatically when it runs out... I said I think you can. Are you disputing this? |
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Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 1:33 pm, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008 03:50:47 -0700 (PDT), Boltar wrote: On May 6, 11:15 am, Scott wrote: I thought you could by registering your bank account details on the tfl site. You'd have to be an idiot to give your bank details to TfL. B2003 That is a different question. What the poster said was: I think Boris should introduce a scheme whereby you can top up your Oyster automatically when it runs out... I said I think you can. Are you disputing this? Did it look like I was disputing it? Do try and keep up. B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 1:32 pm, eastender wrote:
Boltar wrote: If small corner shops can handle cash and still make a profit TfL can. While we're about it I suggest bringing back old money such as the groat. Then you can really get your own back by handing the bus driver a big sack of coins. You could also dress as Dickens and wave said bag in front of the revenue inspectors on bendy buses. Hilarious. Not. Nor is it amusing for visitors to get stitched up on fares unless they buy an oyster card which many of them probably haven't even heard of. Its also not funny to in effect have to pay a fine for forgetting to top up an oyster card by paying for cash instead. Tell you what , next time you go down the newsagents and buy your newpaper with some loose change , make sure you give the newsagent twice the price because you didn't pay by card, after all , cash is hassle isn't it? Idiot. B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 12:47 pm, wrote:
The advantage of people paying by oyster isn't just reduced costs. It's also faster journey times. It used to take forever for a long queue to board a bus, when many people were paying cash. Now that paying cash is significantly more expensive, hardly anyone does. So make it exact money only then. Problem solved. Works in loads of other places in the country. Besides which regular commuters will have an oyster card anyway because its more convenient if you travel every day so why nobble occasional commuters? B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 12:59 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: If it was spite the tube fare would presumably have a standard offset between Oyster and 'Cash'. In fact the further you go the difference reduces until it's only 50p, because the £4.00 gets you all the way from zone 1 to zone 6, a point that seems lost in the noise... If its not by spite then what is the purpose exactly? Faster boarding times hardly apply to the tube - you don't pay on the train! B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On Tue, 6 May 2008 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT), Boltar
wrote: On May 6, 1:33 pm, Scott wrote: On Tue, 6 May 2008 03:50:47 -0700 (PDT), Boltar wrote: On May 6, 11:15 am, Scott wrote: I thought you could by registering your bank account details on the tfl site. You'd have to be an idiot to give your bank details to TfL. B2003 That is a different question. What the poster said was: I think Boris should introduce a scheme whereby you can top up your Oyster automatically when it runs out... I said I think you can. Are you disputing this? Did it look like I was disputing it? Do try and keep up. It looked like you were posting randomly without regard to the previous posting but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
Scott wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2008 11:06:01 +0100, Tom Barry wrote: Boltar wrote: I think one of the first things boris should at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. B2003 That's dreadful. I think Boris should introduce a scheme whereby you can top up your Oyster automatically when it runs out... Tom I thought you could by registering your bank account details on the tfl site. I think you might have missed some of the sarcasm in Tom's suggestion above... Paul |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On Tue, 6 May 2008 15:46:46 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote: Scott wrote: On Tue, 06 May 2008 11:06:01 +0100, Tom Barry wrote: Boltar wrote: I think one of the first things boris should at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. B2003 That's dreadful. I think Boris should introduce a scheme whereby you can top up your Oyster automatically when it runs out... Tom I thought you could by registering your bank account details on the tfl site. I think you might have missed some of the sarcasm in Tom's suggestion above... Paul I think I must have missed all of it. But then again, I don't live in London. |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On 6 May, 12:47, wrote:
The advantage of people paying by oyster isn't just reduced costs. It's also faster journey times. It used to take forever for a long queue to board a bus, when many people were paying cash. Now that paying cash is significantly more expensive, hardly anyone does. In a sense, having to effectively pay a penalty for using cash is the price we pay for faster journey times. I don't think the people who are responsibe for the difference between oyster and cash fares were motivated by spite. There is also the advantage of cutting down bus robberies. There is less motive for villans to attack drivers to steal the money now that there are often only small sums of cash in the box. |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
If its not by spite then what is the purpose exactly? Faster boarding times hardly apply to the tube - you don't pay on the train! Yes, in this case you have faster entry times at stations, as swiping Oyster is much faster then using paper tickets. |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
Scott wrote:
It looked like you were posting randomly without regard to the previous posting but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Just to be clear, it's a nailed on certainty that any thread featuring 'Boltar' will degenerate into a blizzard of very short postings from said gentleman mostly being unpleasantly rude and refusing to engage in any actual discussion. I therefore decided to go straight to sarcasm and leave it there. Saves time, and it's not like anyone can persuade him otherwise anyway. Tom |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On Tue, 06 May 2008 19:25:56 +0100, Tom Barry
wrote: Scott wrote: It looked like you were posting randomly without regard to the previous posting but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Just to be clear, it's a nailed on certainty that any thread featuring 'Boltar' will degenerate into a blizzard of very short postings from said gentleman mostly being unpleasantly rude and refusing to engage in any actual discussion. I therefore decided to go straight to sarcasm and leave it there. Saves time, and it's not like anyone can persuade him otherwise anyway. Tom Okay, I have looked back. I see what has happened. Not being a Londoner I did not fully appreciate this earlier on. |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On 6 May, 19:25, Tom Barry wrote:
Scott wrote: It looked like you were posting randomly without regard to the previous posting but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Just to be clear, it's a nailed on certainty that any thread featuring 'Boltar' will degenerate into a blizzard of very short postings from said gentleman mostly being unpleasantly rude and refusing to engage in any actual discussion. I therefore decided to go straight to sarcasm and leave it there. Saves time, and it's not like anyone can persuade him otherwise anyway. Ha , thats ironic given the number of LU & TfL sheeple on here who no matter what these organisations do or suggest its always a good idea. TfL could suggest invading Poland and someone on here would nod in approval. Until someone can give me a good reason why paying by cash should be penalised by TfL then I don't see why I should change my opinion. I'm not interested in how it may or may not benefit TfL , as a passenger thats of no concern to me anymore than I give a rats arse how Asda or Tesco or Mr Patel in his corner shop deal with cash. I want to know how it benefits me and frankly I can't think of any good reason for them to penalise its use from a passengers point of view. B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On 6 May, 17:53, alex_t wrote:
If its not by spite then what is the purpose exactly? Faster boarding times hardly apply to the tube - you don't pay on the train! Yes, in this case you have faster entry times at stations, as swiping Oyster is much faster then using paper tickets. For the small amount of people who'd still buy a paper ticket thats an irrelevance. And people who don't know how to use an Oyster card still stand in front of the gate thoroughly confused anyway just as they do with a paper ticket. B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On 6 May, 20:15, Boltar wrote:
For the small amount of people who'd still buy a paper ticket What makes you think the number would still be small if there was price parity? U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
Mr Thant wrote:
On 6 May, 20:15, Boltar wrote: For the small amount of people who'd still buy a paper ticket What makes you think the number would still be small if there was price parity? When the Luas trams were introduced in Dublin a lot more people were buying daily single tickets than had been expected. This meant things like emptying the ticket machines was costing more than planned, plus queues were forming. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 10:10 am, Boltar wrote:
I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out. It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube. I think one of the first thingsborisshould at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. B2003 Why? |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 2:39*pm, Boltar wrote:
On May 6, 12:47 pm, wrote: The advantage of people paying by oyster isn't just reduced costs. It's also faster journey times. It used to take forever for a long queue to board a bus, when many people were paying cash. Now that paying cash is significantly more expensive, hardly anyone does. So make it exact money only then. Problem solved. Works in loads of other places in the country. Besides which regular commuters will have an oyster card anyway because its more convenient if you travel every day so why nobble occasional commuters? B2003 Exact money still quite a lot slower than oyster. People fiddle about opening their wallet, a ticket has to be dispensed. Also, if the rule were exact money only, then some people might find that annoying as well, on occasions when they were caught short of change... |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On Tue, 6 May 2008, Boltar wrote:
On 6 May, 19:25, Tom Barry wrote: Scott wrote: It looked like you were posting randomly without regard to the previous posting but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Just to be clear, it's a nailed on certainty that any thread featuring 'Boltar' will degenerate into a blizzard of very short postings from said gentleman mostly being unpleasantly rude and refusing to engage in any actual discussion. I therefore decided to go straight to sarcasm and leave it there. Saves time, and it's not like anyone can persuade him otherwise anyway. Ha , thats ironic given the number of LU & TfL sheeple on here who no matter what these organisations do or suggest its always a good idea. TfL could suggest invading Poland and someone on here would nod in approval. GODWIN! tom -- First man to add a mixer get a shoeing! -- The Laird |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 6, 9:50 pm, Mr Thant
wrote: On 6 May, 20:15, Boltar wrote: For the small amount of people who'd still buy a paper ticket What makes you think the number would still be small if there was price parity? Because if you're a regular commuter you're not going to buy a paper ticket every day, you'll get an Oyster card for the convenience. B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 7, 12:11 am, francis wrote:
On May 6, 10:10 am, Boltar wrote: I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out. It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube. I think one of the first thingsborisshould at is ditch Kens idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL. B2003 Why? Why not? Or perhaps you'd like to pay double for petrol at a filling station if you pay by cash instead of paying with BP Card or Shell Card or whatever? B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 7, 12:53 am, wrote:
On May 6, 2:39 pm, Boltar wrote: On May 6, 12:47 pm, wrote: The advantage of people paying by oyster isn't just reduced costs. It's also faster journey times. It used to take forever for a long queue to board a bus, when many people were paying cash. Now that paying cash is significantly more expensive, hardly anyone does. So make it exact money only then. Problem solved. Works in loads of other places in the country. Besides which regular commuters will have an oyster card anyway because its more convenient if you travel every day so why nobble occasional commuters? B2003 Exact money still quite a lot slower than oyster. People fiddle about opening their wallet, a ticket has to be dispensed. That happens anyway on the tube when people top up their oyster cards. As for the buses yes it could slow things down a little but I think its a fair trade off. Also, if the rule were exact money only, then some people might find that annoying as well, on occasions when they were caught short of change... Well there could always be a rule of exact money or more if they only have a 2 pound coin for a 1 pound journey, The choice would then be theres as to whether to travel or find a shop and get some change. The problem with this country is its always the stick approach , never the carrot. Instead of "we'll penalise you if you pay by cash" it should be "if you use Oyster X times in a month you'll get a free 5 pound top-up" or something like that. But no , that would be far too civilised. B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 7, 9:10 am, Boltar wrote:
The problem with this country is its always the stick approach , never the carrot. Instead of "we'll penalise you if you pay by cash" it should be "if you use Oyster X times in a month you'll get a free 5 pound top-up" or something like that. But no , that would be far too civilised. The point is, given that fares are set with the aim of getting a specific level of farebox revenue, those two things are *exactly the ****ing same*. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 7, 9:19 am, John B wrote:
On May 7, 9:10 am, Boltar wrote: The problem with this country is its always the stick approach , never the carrot. Instead of "we'll penalise you if you pay by cash" it should be "if you use Oyster X times in a month you'll get a free 5 pound top-up" or something like that. But no , that would be far too civilised. The point is, given that fares are set with the aim of getting a specific level of farebox revenue, those two things are *exactly the ****ing same*. Right , that would be why this sort of incentive is used with store cards , because getting a discount if you spend X amount is "exactly the f*cking same" as telling people to use our store card because otherwise we'll charge you twice the price. Oh , and thats after you'd paid 3 quid for the priviledge of buying said card (though I think that might have been waived now, not sure). They may well have reduced the Oyster fares initially a small amount , but those reductions have long since vanished and since then the cash fare on the buses have become extortionate and now its a minimum 4 quid to go anywhere on the tube! B2003 |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 7, 9:35 am, Boltar wrote:
The problem with this country is its always the stick approach , never the carrot. Instead of "we'll penalise you if you pay by cash" it should be "if you use Oyster X times in a month you'll get a free 5 pound top-up" or something like that. But no , that would be far too civilised. The point is, given that fares are set with the aim of getting a specific level of farebox revenue, those two things are *exactly the ****ing same*. Right , that would be why this sort of incentive is used with store cards , because getting a discount if you spend X amount is "exactly the f*cking same" as telling people to use our store card because otherwise we'll charge you twice the price. With store cards: 1) of course they jack the price up for non-cardholders. What, you think Tesco is a charity now? 2) the card data allows them to do targeted promotions. Not so important for TfL ("we see you enjoy travelling from Highgate to Moorgate. Why not try Notting Hill Gate and Southgate?") -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
Boris - remove this absurd Oyster vs cash cost disparity
On May 7, 9:50 am, John B wrote:
With store cards: 1) of course they jack the price up for non-cardholders. What, you think Tesco is a charity now? AFAIK you don't get anything any cheaper when you buy with these cards apart from the odd promotional item. No doubt you can collect points or whatever , but god help you if you don't cough up on time because the interest rates will nail you. 2) the card data allows them to do targeted promotions. Not so important for TfL ("we see you enjoy travelling from Highgate to Moorgate. Why not try Notting Hill Gate and Southgate?") :o) Wouldn't put it past them at some point to use that info for non transport purposes though , depending on the data protection act (though thats never stopped reams of companies flogging our personal data in the past). Maybe if you always travel to a station with a new supermarket or something opening near by, you might get a promotional leaftlet through your door one day , who knows. B2003 |
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