Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm

"That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."

Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
Is this a real problem?

Paul

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

Paul Scott wrote:
From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm

"That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."

Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
Is this a real problem?

Paul


Spotted the Overground wasn't there too, which begs the question what
happens on joint routes like Richmond-Gunnersbury and Queens Park-Harrow
& Wealdstone. He presumably doesn't have the power on Network Rail
(there are presumably routes wholly within London you can still *buy*
booze on the train, surely?), but I've no idea what powers he actually
has to do this (he does have them, presumably?).

Then there's the question of enforcement, of course.

Tom

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On 7 May, 12:27, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Is this a real problem?

No, but it's a good excuse for pompous moralising. See also the ramble
about privilege and individual responsibility at the end of this press
release:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/8162.aspx

Serves us right for electing a tory.

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

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Mr Thant wrote:
On 7 May, 12:27, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Is this a real problem?

No, but it's a good excuse for pompous moralising. See also the ramble
about privilege and individual responsibility at the end of this press
release:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/8162.aspx

Serves us right for electing a tory.

What exactly is your problem with requiring kids to behave with reasonable
civility in return for the privilege of free travel?
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

On May 7, 12:27 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
From:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm

"That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."

Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
Is this a real problem?

Paul

Hmm. I can't honestly say that I've seen an awefully large number of
people drinking on public transport, either tube or bus, in the few
years that I've been living in the capital. More public transport
journeys are pretty short, so there's rarely enough time for even the
most light-weighted drinker to become drunk.

Ofcourse I've seen plently of trouble on public transport involving
drunk people, but they were all already drunk before boarding,
something that Boris' new legislation will do nothing to prevent.

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

"Tom Barry" wrote in message
...
Paul Scott wrote:
From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm

"That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."

Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
Is this a real problem?

Paul

Spotted the Overground wasn't there too, which begs the question what
happens on joint routes like Richmond-Gunnersbury and Queens Park-Harrow &
Wealdstone. He presumably doesn't have the power on Network Rail (there
are presumably routes wholly within London you can still *buy* booze on
the train, surely?), but I've no idea what powers he actually has to do
this (he does have them, presumably?).


Interesting point - I'd just put it down to a cockup.

More confirmation that LO is still part of the National Network perhaps. In
your example Richmond definitely is - would Gunnersbury be a Network Rail
station leased and run by LU or LO?

Paul S

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Paul Scott wrote:

Interesting point - I'd just put it down to a cockup.

More confirmation that LO is still part of the National Network perhaps. In
your example Richmond definitely is - would Gunnersbury be a Network Rail
station leased and run by LU or LO?

Paul S



NR station managed by LU I think. It had Oyster readers long before LO
was launched.

Tom

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James wrote:

Hmm. I can't honestly say that I've seen an awefully large number of
people drinking on public transport, either tube or bus, in the few
years that I've been living in the capital. More public transport
journeys are pretty short, so there's rarely enough time for even the
most light-weighted drinker to become drunk.

Ofcourse I've seen plently of trouble on public transport involving
drunk people, but they were all already drunk before boarding,
something that Boris' new legislation will do nothing to prevent.

That's it in a nutshell - I saw someone perfectly well behaved with a
can of Magners on the tube into town last Friday, then came home myself
on a bus after a birthday night out, obviously without a drop of booze
*on* me, but with the Electric Soup lapping the tonsils. It's not
people drinking on the tube you need to worry about, it's people being
drunk *and misbehaving*, which I'm sure was already covered by various
offences.

Look at it this way - if I go to the pub and have ten pints of *******
Strength Lager, then buy a can of Coke, get on the tube and drink it,
Boris says I'm fine. If I go to the pub and have ten Cokes, then buy a
can of ******* Strength Lager, get on the tube and drink it, I get
collared. What's the logic in that? Which case is more likely to lead
to a public nuisance? In which case am I even over the drink drive
limit, for heaven's sake?

I get the fearful impression Boris is indeed cracking on with his
promises and actually believed the rubbish his campaign put out. This
may well be more dangerous than the cynical politician who says what he
thinks will get him elected, then bins it and does what he wants when
the feet are under the desk.

Tom

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

On 7 May, 12:27, "Paul Scott" wrote:
From:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm

"That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."

Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
Is this a real problem?

Paul

Do you think Thames Clippers will be affected by the alcohol ban. They
sell alcohol on board. A bottle of becks on the deck of a boat down to
Woolwich on a sunny evening was one of lifes little pleasures. No more
I suppose

Rob

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

Tom Barry wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:

Interesting point - I'd just put it down to a cockup.

More confirmation that LO is still part of the National Network
perhaps. In your example Richmond definitely is - would Gunnersbury
be a Network Rail station leased and run by LU or LO?

NR station managed by LU I think. It had Oyster readers long before
LO was launched.

It was managed by Silverlink previously. LU only took over the managment
when LO was launched. I assume that formally it's still owned by Network
Rail.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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On 7 May, 13:19, Tom Barry wrote:
James wrote:

Hmm. I can't honestly say that I've seen an awefully large number of
people drinking on public transport, either tube or bus, in the few
years that I've been living in the capital. More public transport
journeys are pretty short, so there's rarely enough time for even the
most light-weighted drinker to become drunk.

Ofcourse I've seen plently of trouble on public transport involving
drunk people, but they were all already drunk before boarding,
something that Boris' new legislation will do nothing to prevent.

That's it in a nutshell - I saw someone perfectly well behaved with a
can of Magners on the tube into town last Friday, then came home myself
on a bus after a birthday night out, obviously without a drop of booze
*on* me, but with the Electric Soup lapping the tonsils. *It's not
people drinking on the tube you need to worry about, it's people being
drunk *and misbehaving*, which I'm sure was already covered by various
offences.

Look at it this way - if I go to the pub and have ten pints of *******
Strength Lager, then buy a can of Coke, get on the tube and drink it,
Boris says I'm fine. *If I go to the pub and have ten Cokes, then buy a
can of ******* Strength Lager, get on the tube and drink it, I get
collared. *What's the logic in that? *Which case is more likely to lead
to a public nuisance? *In which case am I even over the drink drive
limit, for heaven's sake?

I get the fearful impression Boris is indeed cracking on with his
promises and actually believed the rubbish his campaign put out. *This
may well be more dangerous than the cynical politician who says what he
thinks will get him elected, then bins it and does what he wants when
the feet are under the desk.

Usually something silly like this would be a way of criminalising
something everyone does so that when you want to arrest someone,
you've always got an excuse.

But in this case, almost no one ever does it anyway, so it doesn't
achieve that.

Maybe it's just a case of implementing a lot of small and easy
policies so that they can claim "we have implemented 99% of our
election pledges (by number)".

Implementing this policy requires no more effort and commitment than
sticking up some notices telling people not to do what they are not
doing.

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On May 7, 3:17*pm, MIG wrote:
On 7 May, 13:19, Tom Barry wrote:





James wrote:

Hmm. I can't honestly say that I've seen an awefully large number of
people drinking on public transport, either tube or bus, in the few
years that I've been living in the capital. More public transport
journeys are pretty short, so there's rarely enough time for even the
most light-weighted drinker to become drunk.

Ofcourse I've seen plently of trouble on public transport involving
drunk people, but they were all already drunk before boarding,
something that Boris' new legislation will do nothing to prevent.

That's it in a nutshell - I saw someone perfectly well behaved with a
can of Magners on the tube into town last Friday, then came home myself
on a bus after a birthday night out, obviously without a drop of booze
*on* me, but with the Electric Soup lapping the tonsils. *It's not
people drinking on the tube you need to worry about, it's people being
drunk *and misbehaving*, which I'm sure was already covered by various
offences.

Look at it this way - if I go to the pub and have ten pints of *******
Strength Lager, then buy a can of Coke, get on the tube and drink it,
Boris says I'm fine. *If I go to the pub and have ten Cokes, then buy a
can of ******* Strength Lager, get on the tube and drink it, I get
collared. *What's the logic in that? *Which case is more likely to lead
to a public nuisance? *In which case am I even over the drink drive
limit, for heaven's sake?

I get the fearful impression Boris is indeed cracking on with his
promises and actually believed the rubbish his campaign put out. *This
may well be more dangerous than the cynical politician who says what he
thinks will get him elected, then bins it and does what he wants when
the feet are under the desk.

Usually something silly like this would be a way of criminalising
something everyone does so that when you want to arrest someone,
you've always got an excuse.

But in this case, almost no one ever does it anyway, so it doesn't
achieve that.

Maybe it's just a case of implementing a lot of small and easy
policies so that they can claim "we have implemented 99% of our
election pledges (by number)".

Implementing this policy requires no more effort and commitment than
sticking up some notices telling people not to do what they are not
doing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Id like to say I am a regular bus drinker and this will affect me
directly.

Rob

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Richard J. wrote:

It was managed by Silverlink previously. LU only took over the managment
when LO was launched. I assume that formally it's still owned by Network
Rail.

Thanks for clearing that up, I thought it went LU before the LO
takeover, but the announcement could have been well in advance of it
happening.

Tom

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

Paul Scott wrote:
From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm

"That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."

Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
Is this a real problem?

Paul



Explanation of the Overground anomaly:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/07/lt_booze_ban/

"Those travelling on overground services will have to suffer pie-eyed
fellow commuters for somewhat longer, however, since "Transport for
London has to apply to the Department for Transport for permission to
enforce the bar on the consumption of alcohol" on those routes."

The unions are already getting fidgety about enforcing it (they haven't
been asked, apparently), plus it's not actually being made illegal on
1st June anyway. You can be 'ejected', although by whom isn't stated,
but not punished, although presumably resisting the BTP plod who comes
to throw you out is already an offence.

Therefore, my advice to those of you who get thirsty on the tube is to
wait until you've left the station immediately before the one you want
to get off at. Then, if challenged, neck it back and descend gracefully
onto the platform at your stop with a cheery wave and polite thank you
to whatever poor sod kicked you off.

What's the longest gap between stops on the tube, anyway?

Tom Barry

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

In message , at 16:24:00 on Wed, 7
May 2008, Tom Barry remarked:
What's the longest gap between stops on the tube, anyway?

Metropolitan line (Chesham to Chalfont & Latimer - 6.26km (3.89 miles)

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/mode...derground/1608
..aspx
--
Roland Perry

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:24:00 on Wed, 7
May 2008, Tom Barry remarked:
What's the longest gap between stops on the tube, anyway?

Metropolitan line (Chesham to Chalfont & Latimer - 6.26km (3.89 miles)

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/mode...derground/1608
.aspx

Blimey. Jeroboams all round between those two, then.

Tom

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On May 7, 5:35*pm, Tom Barry wrote:

Blimey. *Jeroboams all round between those two, then.

Quite literally - I've a feeling both appeared in the Top 50 "Rich
Towns" listing in the Telegraph recently...

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Tom Barry wrote:

(there are presumably routes wholly within London you can still *buy*
booze on the train, surely?), but I've no idea what powers he actually
has to do this (he does have them, presumably?)

Are there actually any *wholely* within London for which this applies?
I can think of examples of trains that go between two places within
London that serve booze on the train (Liverpool St to Norwich between
L.St. and Stratford, for example, but I can't bring to mind any
*wholely* within London ones that serve booze on the train.

Robin

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

On 7 May, 17:45, "R.C. Payne" wrote:
(there are presumably routes wholly within London you can still *buy*
booze on the train, surely?), but I've no idea what powers he actually
has to do this (he does have them, presumably?)

Are there actually any *wholely* within London for which this applies?
I can think of examples of trains that go between two places within
London that serve booze on the train (Liverpool St to Norwich between
L.St. and Stratford, for example, but I can't bring to mind any
*wholely* within London ones that serve booze on the train.

....or Waterloo to Portsmouth via Clapham Junction. Or Olympia to
Croydon, for a limited time only...

But yes, I'm fairly sure there are no London-only routes with catering
of any kind.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On Wed, 7 May 2008, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 16:24:00 on Wed, 7
May 2008, Tom Barry remarked:
What's the longest gap between stops on the tube, anyway?

Metropolitan line (Chesham to Chalfont & Latimer - 6.26km (3.89 miles)

In alternative units, about half a pint.

tom

--
Ensure a star-man is never constructed!

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"Mr Thant" wrote in message
...
On 7 May, 12:27, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Is this a real problem?

No, but it's a good excuse for pompous moralising. See also the ramble
about privilege and individual responsibility at the end of this press
release:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/8162.aspx

Serves us right for electing a tory.

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

No chance that this ban will also apply to the TfL Commissioner drinking on
duty I suppose but then what do you expect when you vote for a Socialist.
Or pay him millions of pounds to sit on his backside doing bugger all.

Kevin

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"Tom Barry" wrote in message
...


The unions are already getting fidgety about enforcing it (they haven't
been asked, apparently),

Why is it any more dodgey than asking somebody to stop smoking, can I see
your ticket, turn your ipod down or take your feet off the seat, but then
Bob Crowe doesn't need much of an excuse to march all his members pot.

Kevin

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

So now the BTP have the distraction of having to stop people and
confiscating beer while the next suicide bomber slips by. What a waste
of policing resources!

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

On Wed, 7 May 2008 12:27:13 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm

"That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."

An idea that looks OK on paper. However how is this going to be
enforced? I think this is the biggest problem and the lack of even
initial consultation with the people who *may* have to enforce this is
rather indicative of future relationships with the TUs. Regardless of
what people think of the RMT etc it might have been wise to have had a
chat with them first given it could be their members' safety that is at
risk here.

As others have pointed out the real issue is with people being drunk or
a tad tipsy before they get on public transport. For the vast majority
they don't cause any trouble and just want to get home safely in a bit
of a blur. Given the pressure to make drink driving socially
unacceptable all that is left to people is to use public transport,
cadge a lift or take a taxi in order to get home from a night out.

Given that most incidents late at night involve alcohol consumed a long
way from TfL premises or vehicles I wonder how long it will be before
"the civility on public transport" argument means drunk or tipsy people
won't be allowed on to the system because it's incompatible with Mayoral
views on how we should conduct ourselves? How loud an outcry will there
be from the huge entertainment business sector if there is even a hint
of policy going that way? I assume alcohol is not actually being banned
- just the consumption of it? Otherwise a few supermarkets might lose
some trade from those who doing their shopping and then hop on a bus or
train home.

I look forward to seeing the detail of how this will work in practice.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

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On Wed, 7 May 2008 04:53:58 -0700 (PDT), James
wrote:

Hmm. I can't honestly say that I've seen an awefully large number of
people drinking on public transport, either tube or bus, in the few
years that I've been living in the capital. More public transport
journeys are pretty short, so there's rarely enough time for even the
most light-weighted drinker to become drunk.

It does bloody stink when someone is drinking a can of beer on the top
deck of a bus and they spill it, though. Far worse than a can of Coke
or a coffee.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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On Wed, 7 May 2008 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Rob
wrote:

Do you think Thames Clippers will be affected by the alcohol ban.

I would imagine not, as they are not under TfL's jurisdiction, so far
as I understand it. Just as drink won't be banned on mainline
stations as they, again, are not Boris's to play with.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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wrote in message
...
So now the BTP have the distraction of having to stop people and
confiscating beer while the next suicide bomber slips by. What a waste
of policing resources!

What a pathetic arguement, let's dispense with smoking bans and the need to
buy tickets for the same reason.

Kevin

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"Zen83237" wrote in message
...

"Tom Barry" wrote in message
...


The unions are already getting fidgety about enforcing it (they haven't
been asked, apparently),

Why is it any more dodgey than asking somebody to stop smoking, can I see
your ticket, turn your ipod down or take your feet off the seat, but then
Bob Crowe doesn't need much of an excuse to march all his members pot.

Kevin

The drivers are on 40 grand a year for Christs sake! let them earn their
money by telling a crowd of ****ed up yobs to stop drinking or get of the
train. Some people are taking money for nothing!!

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On May 7, 9:49*pm, "Sargeant Rutter" wrote:
"Zen83237" wrote in message

...



"Tom Barry" wrote in message
...

The unions are already getting fidgety about enforcing it (they haven't
been asked, apparently),

Why is it any more dodgey than asking somebody to stop smoking, can I see
your ticket, turn your ipod down or take your feet off the seat, but then
Bob Crowe doesn't need much of an excuse to march all his members pot.

Kevin

The drivers are on 40 grand a year for Christs sake! let them earn their
money by telling a crowd of ****ed up yobs to stop drinking or get of the
train. Some people are taking money for nothing!!

That's presumably unless there's someone on the train who earns more
than that who can do it instead?

I hadn't noticed a correlation between high salary and the expectation
of having physical confrontation added to your job description without
consultation.

However, if you are right, the politicians will be carrying out their
own policies very directly.

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John B wrote:

But yes, I'm fairly sure there are no London-only routes with catering
of any kind.

I must confess I was finding it hard to think of any -
Paddington-Ealing Broadway, perhaps, or Marylebone-South Ruislip, but
I'm by no means certain of either case. Waterloo-Wimbledon?

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

Tom

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:
However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote:
On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? IIRC they do.

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

In article , Sargeant Rutter wrote:

The drivers are on 40 grand a year for Christs sake!

Hmm, perhaps Amateur Transplants should update their song lyrics.

Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban
 

On May 8, 12:14*am, 1506 wrote:
On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote: On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? *IIRC they do.

I don't think it does have 'class' implications. I think there is a
problem with anti-social behaviour on the Underground, but my issue is
how will this be enforced?

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On 8 May, 00:14, 1506 wrote:
On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote: On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? *IIRC they do.

No, because they no longer exist.

They were also removed from The fast Cambridge / Kings Lynn services
on the GN route when FCC took over.

Whoever operates the trollies on "Southern" services did have alcahol
available a few months back on the Brighton line. I wouldn't normally
take a lot of notice, however a business type indulged in a couple of
shorts en route to Brighton on the 09.06 from Victoria and recieved
some unaproving glances.

Grid

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In message
, Rob
writes

Id like to say I am a regular bus drinker and this will affect me
directly.

Interesting - what does a bus taste like?

gets coat and exits stage left with a quick "I thank you"



--
Mike Hughes
A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England

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On Wed, 07 May 2008 19:14:29 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

I wonder how long it will be before
"the civility on public transport" argument means drunk or tipsy people
won't be allowed on to the system

Isn't that already in the CoC?

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

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John B gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer can't even drink
one...

Well, they can - but it depends on which train they catch. Met line? No.
Chiltern? Yes.

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In message , at 20:29:40 on Wed,
7 May 2008, Neil Williams remarked:
It does bloody stink when someone is drinking a can of beer on the top
deck of a bus and they spill it, though. Far worse than a can of Coke
or a coffee.

Plenty of bus operators ban all food and drink.
--
Roland Perry

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On 7 May, 21:49, "Sargeant Rutter" wrote:
"Zen83237" wrote in message

...



"Tom Barry" wrote in message
...

The unions are already getting fidgety about enforcing it (they haven't
been asked, apparently),

Why is it any more dodgey than asking somebody to stop smoking, can I see
your ticket, turn your ipod down or take your feet off the seat, but then
Bob Crowe doesn't need much of an excuse to march all his members pot.

Kevin

The drivers are on 40 grand a year for Christs sake! let them earn their
money by telling a crowd of ****ed up yobs to stop drinking or get of the
train. Some people are taking money for nothing!!



It's difficult enough educating people not to play their music loudly,
to get keep their feet off the seats and to take their litter home -
and you're seriously expecting someone to go up to a crowd of tanked
up drunks and tell them they can't drink? You first.