"John Rowland" wrote in message
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David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2008 12:01:58 +0100 someone who may be "John Rowland"
wrote this:-

How does a cyclist cause danger to a motorist?

By flying head-first through the window of a car

Presumably this was a side window and it might have been open too?

It was the back window and it wasn't openable (or it was, but it wasn't
closeable!). The cyclist could not remove his head without the assistance
of the driver.

Recently, in Poole IIRC, a cyclist went into the back of a van that had
stopped at a pedestrian crossing with such force he died - what might have
happened to the pedestrians if the van hadn't protected them?

--
Steve Huddy
http://trainsferriesbuses.co.uk

"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
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Colin McKenzie wrote:

Should anyone wish, despite this, to cycle, it is made clear to
them
that they are being suicidally reckless and are unlikely to
survive
long

Some cyclists are, without doubt, reckless, and are a danger not
only to
themselves but to others. When I were a lad, such people were the
exception. Perhaps they still are, but it seems to be less of an
exception than it was.

If cycling has recently doubled, as it has, then half the cyclists on
the road are novices.

If they have only recently taken cycling up, they must be idiots, for
not having done so earlier.

Jeremy Parker

"Ken" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 May 2008 23:03:58 +0100, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote:

In article , Ian Jelf
writes
Surprised at being asked, I was staggered when they said that their
grounds for suspicion was that I was carrying.......an umbrella!

With hindsight, I suppose it did look a bit odd in yesterday's lovely
sunny weather

Some years ago I was at a technical conference in London. The
conference
itself was at Lancaster Gate but the evening social was at Tower
Bridge
(on the gantries). One of the (sponsored) free gifts was an umbrella.

So one July, on a scorching hot day, you got to see 500 geeks carrying
umbrellas as they rode the Underground from Lancaster Gate to Tower
Bridge.

Wouldn't a true geek walk to Marble Arch and take the no. 15?

A true geek would walk to Marble Arch and take the F.

Peter Smyth

On Fri, 09 May 2008 10:16:00 +0000, Chris Tolley wrote:

snip
Over the past year, I can recall one situation I observed where I felt
that a motorist had potentially caused danger to a cyclist. It would be
four or five where the cause of the danger was the cyclist.

... and that's before we get on to the question of whether cyclists have
lights and visible reflectors when they go out at night...

As a pedestrian, I feel threatened by both bad drivers and bad cyclists -
and I certainly accept that there are bad pedestrians as well. However,
in general driving offences in towns (where I am most likely to be
walking) are illegal parking and speeding. What they don't do is to drive
at night with no lights, to drive the wrong way up one-way streets, or to
to crash red traffic lights. I see this behaviour from cyclists just
about every day, and I am not exaggerating.


--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

In article ,
David Buttery wrote:
As a pedestrian, I feel threatened by both bad drivers and bad cyclists -
and I certainly accept that there are bad pedestrians as well. However,
in general driving offences in towns (where I am most likely to be
walking) are illegal parking and speeding. What they don't do is to drive
at night with no lights, to drive the wrong way up one-way streets,

I see that (and making a illegal left turn that conflicts with
the green phase of a pelican) regularly from car drivers.

or to
to crash red traffic lights.

I reckon you'd see that about one cycle of the lights in 2 or 3
(from cars). You'd probably see more if the impatient car could
overtake the law abiding one.

I see this behaviour from cyclists just
about every day, and I am not exaggerating.

Illegality is endemic on the roads, I agree, and no mode of transport
is exempt.

--
Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Best of 3!
-- Flash

"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message
news
In article , Ian Jelf
writes
Surprised at being asked, I was staggered when they said that their
grounds for suspicion was that I was carrying.......an umbrella!

With hindsight, I suppose it did look a bit odd in yesterday's lovely
sunny weather

Some years ago I was at a technical conference in London. The
conference itself was at Lancaster Gate but the evening social was at
Tower Bridge (on the gantries). One of the (sponsored) free gifts was
an umbrella.
So one July, on a scorching hot day, you got to see 500 geeks carrying
umbrellas as they rode the Underground from Lancaster Gate to Tower
Bridge.

Even better, almost 20 years ago I was at a large international sales
conference in Jamaica. We were all given a world-time clock as a gift.
I don't think anyone confessed to security that we were all carrying an
electronic black box timer device. Nobody had any problems with
security, and, of course, no planes got blown-up.

In message
David Hansen wrote:

On Fri, 9 May 2008 12:01:58 +0100 someone who may be "John Rowland"
wrote this:-

How does a cyclist cause danger to a motorist?

By flying head-first through the window of a car

As I said in my next sentence, which you snipped, "While most things
are possible it is not easy."

Presumably this was a side window and it might have been open too?



The case I saw he went through the rear window of an estate. To add to the
fun it was a policeman!

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

On Fri, 09 May 2008 20:02:21 +0100, Mike Bristow wrote:

snip
or to crash red traffic lights.

I reckon you'd see that about one cycle of the lights in 2 or 3 (from
cars). You'd probably see more if the impatient car could overtake the
law abiding one.
snip

Hmmm. In terms of cars being naughty and going through lights just after
they've changed to red, you may have a point. However, cyclists seem much
more brazen about jumping lights in the *middle* of the red phase. There
is no question that for the set of lights I use most often (the pelican
crossing in Bewdley town centre) cyclists are *much* worse.

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:01:40 +0100 someone who may be "Bridgwatarian"
wrote this:-

Recently, in Poole IIRC, a cyclist went into the back of a van that had
stopped at a pedestrian crossing with such force he died - what might have
happened to the pedestrians if the van hadn't protected them?

Probably very little. Probably some minor injuries, if the cyclist
had struck any of them.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

In message
David Hansen wrote:

On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:01:40 +0100 someone who may be "Bridgwatarian"
wrote this:-

Recently, in Poole IIRC, a cyclist went into the back of a van that had
stopped at a pedestrian crossing with such force he died - what might have
happened to the pedestrians if the van hadn't protected them?

Probably very little. Probably some minor injuries, if the cyclist
had struck any of them.



So a hansen ploughing into a group of old age pensioners at a speed fast
enough to kill the hansen if he hits another vehicle is only going to
cause a few minor injuries. That's all right then.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html