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Stephen Allcroft writes

: Agreed. But no more Tridents, please........

I'm sure I'm going to regret saying this, but why..? From a driver's point
of view, I quite like the Tridents. They're certainly better than a lot of
the alternatives, particularly the Volvo B7's which I detest with a
passion.

Alexander Dennis have discontinued the Trident. About 2 years ago it
was replaced with the Enviro 400

No they haven't.

The Trident is a chassis which is still produced today, just slightly
updated and can be bodied by anyone else although they are mainly AD
bodied currently. What is known as the Enviro 400 is an Alexander
Dennis body style which is also fitted to Scania chassis at least.
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Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message
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Stephen Allcroft writes

: Agreed. But no more Tridents, please........

I'm sure I'm going to regret saying this, but why..? From a driver's
point
of view, I quite like the Tridents. They're certainly better than a
lot of
the alternatives, particularly the Volvo B7's which I detest with a
passion.

Alexander Dennis have discontinued the Trident. About 2 years ago it
was replaced with the Enviro 400

No they haven't.

The Trident is a chassis which is still produced today, just slightly
updated and can be bodied by anyone else although they are mainly AD
bodied currently. What is known as the Enviro 400 is an Alexander
Dennis body style which is also fitted to Scania chassis at least.

And the Volvo B9 now too.

From what I understand while the Enviro200 and 400s are marketed as
Integrals the underpinning Dart/Trident chassis is built at Guildford
and then taken to Falkirk for bodying

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And the Volvo B9 now too.

*From what I understand while the Enviro200 and 400s are marketed as
Integrals the underpinning Dart/Trident chassis is built at Guildford
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That was pretty much AIUI too except that no one else has bodied the
Enviro 400 or 500 underframes.
The previous posters "Slight Update" Much longer front overhang
trapezoid fuel tank new electrics Cuymmins ISB rather than C series...

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Stephen Allcroft writes

*From what I understand while the Enviro200 and 400s are marketed as
Integrals the underpinning Dart/Trident chassis is built at Guildford
and then taken to Falkirk for bodying- Hide quoted text -


That was pretty much AIUI too except that no one else has bodied the
Enviro 400 or 500 underframes.
The previous posters "Slight Update" Much longer front overhang
trapezoid fuel tank new electrics Cuymmins ISB rather than C series...

But there is no such thing as an Enviro 400 underframe. It's a Trident,
just slightly updated from the last one with a new engine. And at least
East Lancs (as were) have bodied the Trident in many numbers.
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Stephen Allcroft wrote:
And the Volvo B9 now too.

From what I understand while the Enviro200 and 400s are marketed as
Integrals the underpinning Dart/Trident chassis is built at Guildford
and then taken to Falkirk for bodying- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That was pretty much AIUI too except that no one else has bodied the
Enviro 400 or 500 underframes.
The previous posters "Slight Update" Much longer front overhang
trapezoid fuel tank new electrics Cuymmins ISB rather than C series...

East Lancs/Darwen are doing a batch on the E400Trident for HCT

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On 6 Jun, 20:19, Mark B wrote:
Stephen Allcroft wrote:
And the Volvo B9 now too.

*From what I understand while the Enviro200 and 400s are marketed as
Integrals the underpinning Dart/Trident chassis is built at Guildford
and then taken to Falkirk for bodying- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That was pretty much AIUI too except that no one else has bodied the
Enviro 400 or 500 underframes.
The previous posters "Slight Update" *Much longer front overhang
trapezoid fuel tank new electrics Cuymmins ISB rather than C series...

East Lancs/Darwen are doing a batch on the E400Trident for HCT

The first not bodied by ADL, so I was right until these are done.

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In message
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Stephen Allcroft writes

That was pretty much AIUI too except that no one else has bodied the
Enviro 400 or 500 underframes.
The previous posters "Slight Update" *Much longer front overhang
trapezoid fuel tank new electrics Cuymmins ISB rather than C series...

East Lancs/Darwen are doing a batch on the E400Trident for HCT

The first not bodied by ADL, so I was right until these are done.

ADL don't think they're any different from earlier Trident chassis as
they have allocated them the same chassis number series.

Manufacturers frequently do updates to their chassis - I hardly think
that a change in the shape of fuel tank or a change in the chassis
length/overhang is a radical change, the Trident always had a choice of
lengths anyway - and as for engines, the buyer can specify from a choice
of engines so that hardly makes it special.

The bottom line is that the Trident is still a Trident whatever the
marketing people try to say it is. E400 is just an ADL body style.
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On 17 Jun, 11:59, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
East Lancs/Darwen are doing a batch on the E400Trident for HCT

The first not bodied by ADL, so I was right until these are done.

ADL don't think they're any different from earlier Trident chassis as
they have allocated them the same chassis number series.

Leyland at one (or more) stage(s) numbered all its commercials and
PSVs together; Daimler did till BLMC shut it, now does that make a
CVG6 a Roadliner and a Fleetline Identical?

Manufacturers frequently do updates to their chassis - I hardly think
that a change in the shape of fuel tank or a change in the chassis
length/overhang is a radical change,

Not even when these were combined to increase lower deck seating
capacity, combining seats ahead of the front wheelarch, more seats on
the lower deck and on an underframe available until recently only
with a Falkirk built body for which it was designed.

the Trident always had a choice of
lengths anyway -.

Lengths is not the point re-engineered front and rear modules is the
point. WB is a function of a relatively simple central frame module.
Look, the amount of changes between a Guy Arab Mk2 and Mk3 were an
awful lot less than between this current ADL underframe and the
previous marque of Trident.

and as for engines, the buyer can specify from a choice
of engines so that hardly makes it special

No ADL only offer a 6litre cummins adblue engine, before they offered
an 8 litre cummins euro 3 in the previous 2 axle Trident. They do not
and did not give the operator any choice as to the make of the power
unit or its capacity.

The days where you could (Metrobus, Olympian Dominator) as a purchaser
specify whatever power unit you wished have long gone.

The bottom line is that the Trident is still a Trident whatever the
marketing people try to say it is. *E400 is just an ADL body style.

ADL have whatever you may think of them decided to call the underframe
the same as the body I have no brief for ADL but until the Hackney
buses appear all of this design of vehicle had the adl body for which
they were built.