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On May 25, 5:33*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2008, 1506 wrote:
On May 23, 4:05*am, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 22 May, 20:06, 1506 wrote:

On May 22, 3:40*am, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2008, 1506 wrote:
You need to get out more.

You need to shut up more.

Manners.

"You need to get out more" was rather rude too, old boy. We don't need
another Polson here.

You certainly know how to grab a guy?s attention. *The last thing I
want to do is look into a mirror and see THAT sort of anger.

Mr. Anderson, please know that I regret my acerbic response to your
post.

And i mine to yours. There was something to it that tripped my troll
detector, and i abandoned politeness. I shall try to avoid such false
positives in the future.

tom

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We have exchanged views in several threads Tom. Perhaps my very pro
Crossrail stance looks like trolling. But, I assure I am NOT a
troll. I do believe it will be a step improvemint in London's
infrastructure.

Kindly yours

Adrian

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On May 25, 5:31*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2008, Martin Edwards wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2008 02:25:49 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Flying into London is, by any reasonable definition, hell.

No. *Flying into *Heathrow* is, by any reasonable definition, hell.
There are, however, many other airports in the London area, and all of
them are orders of magnitude better.

I imagine you have to be of high net worth to use City Airport.

I'm flying from Zurich to City in the summer. It was something like 20
quid more expensive than BA to Luton. Once you'd factored in the train
fare, it was only about a tenner more, and it's so much easier to get home
from there that it's worth it.

In the past I have flown into City Airport from Edinburgh very
economically. This was in 2002. The downside was the poor transit
conections. It was a pain to reach the Jubilee Line.

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On May 24, 12:47*am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
On 24 May, 00:27, 1506 wrote:

Richard J, please know that I regret my acerbic response to your
post. *I withdraw it.

Coo, isn't this newsgroup getting all polite? I like it - seriously!

Adrian

A Dr. Ian.

You had best hope that Polson does not interpret "A Dr. Ian" to mean
that your ID is an alias for me. :-)

Like you, I would much prefer that these discussions are maintained in
a civil an friendly manner.

We will have to agree to disagree on the importance of CrossRail.

Kindly

Adrian

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"1506" wrote

In the past I have flown into City Airport from Edinburgh very
economically. This was in 2002. The downside was the poor transit
conections. It was a pain to reach the Jubilee Line.

Now very straightforward. DLR to Canning Town and change to Jubilee Line
there.

Peter

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On May 28, 11:05*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"1506" wrote



In the past I have flown into City Airport from Edinburgh very
economically. *This was in 2002. *The downside was the poor transit
conections. *It was a pain to reach the Jubilee Line.

Now very straightforward. DLR to Canning Town and change to Jubilee Line
there.

Peter

In those days DLR did not run to City Airport.

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On 28 May, 19:22, 1506 wrote:

On May 28, 11:05 am, "Peter Masson" wrote:

"1506" wrote

In the past I have flown into City Airport from Edinburgh very
economically. This was in 2002. The downside was the poor transit
conections. It was a pain to reach the Jubilee Line.

Now very straightforward. DLR to Canning Town and change to Jubilee Line
there.

In those days DLR did not run to City Airport.


I'm sure Peter was merely pointing out, for the sake of clarity and
for the benefit of those who're less au fait with such matters, that
the situation has now changed.

Pre-DLR one could of course still get between the Canning Town
interchange and City Airport by bus - whether London Bus route 69 (not
sure when it started linking the two places though - perhaps on the
opening of the Jubilee line extension?) or by the dedicated airport
shuttle bus, though the latter was pricey.

When (if?) the new Crossrail station at Custom House opens, there'll
certainly be an opening (if not a need) for a direct bus link between
it and City Airport.

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On May 28, 11:43*am, Mizter T wrote:
On 28 May, 19:22, 1506 wrote:

On May 28, 11:05 am, "Peter Masson" wrote:

"1506" wrote

In the past I have flown into City Airport from Edinburgh very
economically. *This was in 2002. *The downside was the poor transit
conections. *It was a pain to reach the Jubilee Line.

Now very straightforward. DLR to Canning Town and change to Jubilee Line
there.

In those days DLR did not run to City Airport.

I'm sure Peter was merely pointing out, for the sake of clarity and
for the benefit of those who're less au fait with such matters, that
the situation has now changed.

Understood.

Pre-DLR one could of course still get between the Canning Town
interchange and City Airport by bus - whether London Bus route 69 (not
sure when it started linking the two places though - perhaps on the
opening of the Jubilee line extension?) or by the dedicated airport
shuttle bus, though the latter was pricey.

We had luggage, so the bus, which we utilized, was not a great option.

When (if?) the new Crossrail station at Custom House opens, there'll
certainly be an opening (if not a need) for a direct bus link between
it and City Airport.

That probably depends how busy the Airport becomes.

Do you still have confidence that Crossrail construction will proceed
on a timely basis?

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Graeme Wall wrote:
In message
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 07:37:40 on Wed, 28
May 2008, Martin Edwards remarked:
I still think it's difficult to argue that 35 miles
away in Bedfordshire is London, while 41 miles away in Essex isn't...

None of it is London, precisely the point I am making. As a native of
Watford, on the very rim of Greater London, I have an axe to grind.
But you can't get away from the fact that Stansted is London's official
"Third Airport".

Which official?


Good point. For a period we nearly had "London Airport, Gaydon" which
is actually between Rugby and Coventry.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

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On May 27, 12:02*pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2008 11:12:44 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Fair enough. But I still think it's difficult to argue that 35 miles
away in Bedfordshire is London, while 41 miles away in Essex isn't...

The point is that they all *serve* London. *Gatwick isn't much
closer...

IMHO the Rail to Terminal interchange at Gatwick is about as good as
it gets. There is a frequent rail service to many destinations. The
platform overbridge leads directly into the terminal building.

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1506 wrote:
On May 27, 12:02 pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2008 11:12:44 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Fair enough. But I still think it's difficult to argue that 35 miles
away in Bedfordshire is London, while 41 miles away in Essex isn't...
The point is that they all *serve* London. Gatwick isn't much
closer...

IMHO the Rail to Terminal interchange at Gatwick is about as good as
it gets. There is a frequent rail service to many destinations. The
platform overbridge leads directly into the terminal building.

Unless you're flying into the other terminal. But it is pretty good.
--
Michael Hoffman

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In message , Steve Dulieu
writes

I imagine you have to be of high net worth to use City Airport.

Not nessaccerarly, last time I visited Munich (This January) LCY - MUC
- LCY cost 83 quid for the return...

I seem to remember that ;) LCY is a fine airport.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

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On 29 May, 18:41, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:

In message , Steve Dulieu
writes

I imagine you have to be of high net worth to use City Airport.

Not nessaccerarly, last time I visited Munich (This January) LCY - MUC
- LCY cost 83 quid for the return...

I seem to remember that ;) LCY is a fine airport.


I dunno if you'd think that if you lived under the approach path!

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In message
, at
09:15:41 on Thu, 29 May 2008, 1506
remarked:
IMHO the Rail to Terminal interchange at Gatwick is about as good as
it gets. There is a frequent rail service to many destinations. The
platform overbridge leads directly into the terminal building.

It's not far from the south terminal, if anything closer in minutes than
Stansted (where the station is actually under the departure concourse,
but some walking is required). But it's a shuttle ride to the north
terminal (can easily take 10 minutes including waiting time). I reckon
Birmingham airport is closer to its station than Gatwick North is.
--
Roland Perry

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On Thu, 29 May 2008 11:14:34 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:


On 29 May, 18:41, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:

In message , Steve Dulieu
writes

I imagine you have to be of high net worth to use City Airport.

Not nessaccerarly, last time I visited Munich (This January) LCY - MUC
- LCY cost 83 quid for the return...

I seem to remember that ;) LCY is a fine airport.


I dunno if you'd think that if you lived under the approach path!

Check Mr F's sig for where he lives. I'd say he's not very far from the
flight path.
--
Paul C

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On 29 May, 20:03, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2008 11:14:34 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:

On 29 May, 18:41, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:

In message , Steve Dulieu
writes

I imagine you have to be of high net worth to use City Airport.

Not nessaccerarly, last time I visited Munich (This January) LCY - MUC
- LCY cost 83 quid for the return...

I seem to remember that ;) LCY is a fine airport.

I dunno if you'd think that if you lived under the approach path!

Check Mr F's sig for where he lives. I'd say he's not very far from the
flight path.

Err... very good point!

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In message , Paul Corfield
writes

Not nessaccerarly, last time I visited Munich (This January) LCY - MUC
- LCY cost 83 quid for the return...

I seem to remember that ;) LCY is a fine airport.


I dunno if you'd think that if you lived under the approach path!

Check Mr F's sig for where he lives. I'd say he's not very far from the
flight path.

Fair point - I live very near it but not directly under it. I still
think that the benefits outweigh the disbenefits though.

LCY does have some quite stringent noise abatement requirements such as
the 24 hour 'quiet zone' which gives us respite from around 1500
Saturday to 1500 Sunday.
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:

IMHO the Rail to Terminal interchange at Gatwick is about as good as
it gets. There is a frequent rail service to many destinations. The
platform overbridge leads directly into the terminal building.

Agreed, though Stansted is probably as good (though not in terms of
its service) - the station there is also right under the terminal.
Birmingham might well rank higher in terms of accessibility - you do
have to ride the people-mover thingy but it has a wider range of
destinations that aren't London (and not a bad service to London
either).

Neil

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Put my first name before the at to reply.

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On Thu, 29 May 2008 11:14:34 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:

I dunno if you'd think that if you lived under the approach path!

Most of the development under the approach path (close to the airport)
on the country side is pretty new, so anyone complaining about it
wasn't paying attention when they chose to live there. On the Central
London side it is not, IMO, particuarly disruptive due to the steep
angle of approach after Canary Wharf.

Neil

--
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Put my first name before the at to reply.

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Neil Williams wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:

IMHO the Rail to Terminal interchange at Gatwick is about as good as
it gets. There is a frequent rail service to many destinations. The
platform overbridge leads directly into the terminal building.

Agreed, though Stansted is probably as good (though not in terms of
its service) - the station there is also right under the terminal.
Birmingham might well rank higher in terms of accessibility - you do
have to ride the people-mover thingy but it has a wider range of
destinations that aren't London (and not a bad service to London
either).

Neil

On the downside, the number of popular holiday destinations has actually
diminished. I often have to fly from Manchester.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

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In message , at 20:15:24 on
Tue, 27 May 2008, Charles Ellson remarked:
IIRC you'll get to London quicker from Stansted than you will
from Luton

The trains are usually a little quicker, but the service is less
frequent, especially in the evening/overnight.
--
Roland Perry