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On May 21, 10:19*am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
On 21 May, 17:05, 1506 wrote:

On May 21, 7:55 am, The Real Doctor wrote:
Nope. People with a financial interest in having it built have
proposed a very modest benefits to cost ration. Even then, we'd do
rather better, as I recall, sticking the money in a building society
account.
One wonders if you will still think this is true when Europe's
fianancial center has moved to Frankfurt?

Ridiculous scaremongering. If Europe's financial centre moves to
Frankfurt, it won't be because the commute in from Maidenhead hasn't
been reduced by ten minutes.

Ian

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

Many US companies favor London as a European base of operations.

For several years now US companies have been under the thumb of a
nasty piece of Legislation called Sarbanes Oxley. One partial
solution to this is to de-list on the US stock exchanges and list on
an oversea exchange. London has until now been the exchange of
choice.

Another method of reducing the impact of state and federal legislation
is the creation of upstream, offshore holding companies. Again
England & Wales is the obvious choice. Although Dubai seems to be
competing well for offshore incorporation and banking.

Against these advantages US CEOs and CFOs have to consider the
following:

London's expensive second rate hotels.

Dumb UK airport rules. One can deplane with two pieces of hand
luggage, but enplane with only one.

The almost complete inability to move about within London. Taxis are
very expensive compared with US cities and move at walking pace.
London's subway is overcrowded uncomfortable and unreliable.

It would be very easy for another European City to replace London as
the US offshore City of choice. It would only take the right tax
regime, good accommodations and good transportation. Although
availability of English would also help.

When, Frankfort, or wherever, takes the initiative London will lose
jobs.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

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"1506" wrote in message

On May 21, 10:19 am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
On 21 May, 17:05, 1506 wrote:

On May 21, 7:55 am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
Nope. People with a financial interest in having it built have
proposed a very modest benefits to cost ration. Even then, we'd do
rather better, as I recall, sticking the money in a building
society account.
One wonders if you will still think this is true when Europe's
fianancial center has moved to Frankfurt?

Ridiculous scaremongering. If Europe's financial centre moves to
Frankfurt, it won't be because the commute in from Maidenhead hasn't
been reduced by ten minutes.

Ian

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

Many US companies favor London as a European base of operations.

For several years now US companies have been under the thumb of a
nasty piece of Legislation called Sarbanes Oxley. One partial
solution to this is to de-list on the US stock exchanges and list on
an oversea exchange. London has until now been the exchange of
choice.

Another method of reducing the impact of state and federal legislation
is the creation of upstream, offshore holding companies. Again
England & Wales is the obvious choice. Although Dubai seems to be
competing well for offshore incorporation and banking.

Against these advantages US CEOs and CFOs have to consider the
following:

London's expensive second rate hotels.

True

Dumb UK airport rules. One can deplane with two pieces of hand
luggage, but enplane with only one.

No longer true. You can now take two hand bags on again at London
airports.

The almost complete inability to move about within London. Taxis are
very expensive compared with US cities and move at walking pace.
London's subway is overcrowded uncomfortable and unreliable.

It would be very easy for another European City to replace London as
the US offshore City of choice. It would only take the right tax
regime, good accommodations and good transportation. Although
availability of English would also help.

The light regulation in London is also a factor.


When, Frankfort, or wherever, takes the initiative London will lose
jobs.

But the traffic has been to, rather than from, London

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On May 21, 1:28*pm, "Recliner" wrote:
"1506" wrote in message







On May 21, 10:19 am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
On 21 May, 17:05, 1506 wrote:

On May 21, 7:55 am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
Nope. People with a financial interest in having it built have
proposed a very modest benefits to cost ration. Even then, we'd do
rather better, as I recall, sticking the money in a building
society account.
One wonders if you will still think this is true when Europe's
fianancial center has moved to Frankfurt?

Ridiculous scaremongering. If Europe's financial centre moves to
Frankfurt, it won't be because the commute in from Maidenhead hasn't
been reduced by ten minutes.

Ian

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

Many US companies favor London as a European base of operations.

For several years now US companies have been under the thumb of a
nasty piece of Legislation called Sarbanes Oxley. *One partial
solution to this is to de-list on the US stock exchanges and list on
an oversea exchange. *London has until now been the exchange of
choice.

Another method of reducing the impact of state and federal legislation
is the creation of upstream, offshore holding companies. *Again
England & Wales is the obvious choice. *Although Dubai seems to be
competing well for offshore incorporation and banking.

Against these advantages US CEOs and CFOs have to consider the
following:

London's expensive second rate hotels.

True

Dumb UK airport rules. *One can deplane with two pieces of hand
luggage, but enplane with only one.

No longer true. You can now take two hand bags on again at London
airports.

Good news.

The almost complete inability to move about within London. *Taxis are
very expensive compared with US cities and move at walking pace.
London's subway is overcrowded uncomfortable and unreliable.

It would be very easy for another European City to replace London as
the US offshore City of choice. *It would only take the right tax
regime, good accommodations and good transportation. *Although
availability of English would also help.

The light regulation in London is also a factor.



When, Frankfort, or wherever, takes the initiative London will lose
jobs.

But the traffic has been to, rather than from, London

Thus far, yes.

But, London baddly needs an infrastructure upgrade. Crossrail is
needed.

Adrian.

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1506 wrote:

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
....
The almost complete inability to move about within London.

Rubbish. Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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On May 21, 3:04*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
1506 wrote:

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.

Rubbish. *Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.

At speeds, and comfort levels, that would be entirely unacceptable in
Atlanta, Berlin, New York, or Paris.

You need to get out more.

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1506 wrote:
On May 21, 10:19 am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
On 21 May, 17:05, 1506 wrote:

On May 21, 7:55 am, The Real Doctor wrote:
Nope. People with a financial interest in having it built have
proposed a very modest benefits to cost ration. Even then, we'd do
rather better, as I recall, sticking the money in a building society
account.
One wonders if you will still think this is true when Europe's
fianancial center has moved to Frankfurt?
Ridiculous scaremongering. If Europe's financial centre moves to
Frankfurt, it won't be because the commute in from Maidenhead hasn't
been reduced by ten minutes.

Ian

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

Many US companies favor London as a European base of operations.

For several years now US companies have been under the thumb of a
nasty piece of Legislation called Sarbanes Oxley. One partial
solution to this is to de-list on the US stock exchanges and list on
an oversea exchange. London has until now been the exchange of
choice.

Another method of reducing the impact of state and federal legislation
is the creation of upstream, offshore holding companies. Again
England & Wales is the obvious choice. Although Dubai seems to be
competing well for offshore incorporation and banking.

Against these advantages US CEOs and CFOs have to consider the
following:

London's expensive second rate hotels.

Dumb UK airport rules. One can deplane with two pieces of hand
luggage, but enplane with only one.

The almost complete inability to move about within London. Taxis are
very expensive compared with US cities and move at walking pace.
London's subway is overcrowded uncomfortable and unreliable.

It would be very easy for another European City to replace London as
the US offshore City of choice. It would only take the right tax
regime, good accommodations and good transportation. Although
availability of English would also help.

When, Frankfort, or wherever, takes the initiative London will lose
jobs.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Ok, but you'll first have to learn German and then Rhineland German.
Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

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Richard J. wrote:
1506 wrote:
Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.

Rubbish. Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.

I suspect he means that you have to mix with oiks, and people of
excessive skin pigmentation.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

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1506 wrote:
On May 21, 3:04 pm, "Richard J." wrote:
1506 wrote:

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.
Rubbish. Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.

At speeds, and comfort levels, that would be entirely unacceptable in
Atlanta, Berlin, New York, or Paris.

You need to get out more.


People do business in Baton Rouge with almost nonexistent public
transport, and don't get me started on lake Charles.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

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On May 22, 7:39 am, Martin Edwards wrote:
1506 wrote:
On May 21, 3:04 pm, "Richard J." wrote:
1506 wrote:

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.
Rubbish. Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.

At speeds, and comfort levels, that would be entirely unacceptable in
Atlanta, Berlin, New York, or Paris.

You need to get out more.

People do business in Baton Rouge with almost nonexistent public
transport, and don't get me started on lake Charles.

Ah Baton Rouge that global finance centre (center?). Just try driving
to work in the City then.
Tim

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On May 21, 9:28*pm, "Recliner" wrote:
"1506" wrote in message







On May 21, 10:19 am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
On 21 May, 17:05, 1506 wrote:

On May 21, 7:55 am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
Nope. People with a financial interest in having it built have
proposed a very modest benefits to cost ration. Even then, we'd do
rather better, as I recall, sticking the money in a building
society account.
One wonders if you will still think this is true when Europe's
fianancial center has moved to Frankfurt?

Ridiculous scaremongering. If Europe's financial centre moves to
Frankfurt, it won't be because the commute in from Maidenhead hasn't
been reduced by ten minutes.

Ian

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

Many US companies favor London as a European base of operations.

For several years now US companies have been under the thumb of a
nasty piece of Legislation called Sarbanes Oxley. *One partial
solution to this is to de-list on the US stock exchanges and list on
an oversea exchange. *London has until now been the exchange of
choice.

Another method of reducing the impact of state and federal legislation
is the creation of upstream, offshore holding companies. *Again
England & Wales is the obvious choice. *Although Dubai seems to be
competing well for offshore incorporation and banking.

Against these advantages US CEOs and CFOs have to consider the
following:

London's expensive second rate hotels.

True

Dumb UK airport rules. *One can deplane with two pieces of hand
luggage, but enplane with only one.

No longer true. You can now take two hand bags on again at London
airports.

The almost complete inability to move about within London. *Taxis are
very expensive compared with US cities and move at walking pace.
London's subway is overcrowded uncomfortable and unreliable.

It would be very easy for another European City to replace London as
the US offshore City of choice. *It would only take the right tax
regime, good accommodations and good transportation. *Although
availability of English would also help.

The light regulation in London is also a factor.



When, Frankfort, or wherever, takes the initiative London will lose
jobs.

But the traffic has been to, rather than from, London- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Rubbish.

London does have it's problems but other cities in Europe are no
different.
And most of those cities are not as large population wise or as vast
in terms of infrastructure.

Travel a bit in Europe and you will find it's pretty much similar.
Public transport woes, bad airports, expensive hotels.

I travel to Frankfurt for example frequently.
Hotels in central frankfurt and fairly expensive. Plus if there's a
trade show on, forget about it.
Plus theres nowhere near as much choice as London.

Frankfurt Airport also suffers at times. Delays there are just as
prevalent.
I've queued for 45 minutes at security.

Their subway system is good. But isnt over 100 years old.
And there are times i've waited 20 minutes for a train during the
daytime.

These aren't isolated incidences.

London also has a huge talent pool (both domestic and those who come
here to work from other EU nations)
Plus culture, fashion, entertainment. Other European cities struggle
for this variety

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On 21 May, 19:11, 1506 wrote:

Against these advantages US CEOs and CFOs have to consider the
following:

London's expensive second rate hotels.

Dumb UK airport rules. One can deplane with two pieces of hand
luggage, but enplane with only one.

The almost complete inability to move about within London. Taxis are
very expensive compared with US cities and move at walking pace.
London's subway is overcrowded uncomfortable and unreliable.

Ok, so you think that having marginally easier journeys from a small
number of town near London to a small number of places within London
will suddenly overcome all other perceived problems?

"Waal, Hiram, the airports are crap, the hotels are overpriced, the
city is filthy and taxis are exhorbitant but, hey, it takes ten
minutes less to get from Slough to Tottenham Court Road than it did
before, so London wins."

Ian

Ian

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On 21 May, 22:12, 1506 wrote:

But, London baddly needs an infrastructure upgrade. Crossrail is
needed.

The whole bloody country needs an infrastructure upgrade. If Crossrail
could be done at a reasonable cost it would be fine - but the
expenditure proposed is just ridiculous.

Ian

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On 22 May, 09:56, The Real Doctor wrote:
Ok, so you think that having marginally easier journeys from a small
number of town near London to a small number of places within London
will suddenly overcome all other perceived problems?

You seem to miss that the purpose of Crossrail has nowt to do with the
outer branches. It's all about the tunnel in the middle relieving
existing tube lines to the City, Docklands, Stratford, etc. The GWML
is simply a convenient way to add Heathrow to the scheme, and they
only go to Maidenhead and Shenfield because it's easier than not doing
so.

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

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On 21 May, 23:23, 1506 wrote:

At speeds, and comfort levels, that would be entirely unacceptable in
Atlanta, Berlin, New York, or Paris.

In my experience travel in London tends to be faster than in New York;
comfort varies greatly in both places. Each city has advantages over
the other.

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On May 22, 7:36 am, Martin Edwards wrote:
Ok, but you'll first have to learn German and then Rhineland German.

Whats the difference?

Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.

Most germans high up in the finance sector will speak english as a
necessity.

B2003

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On May 22, 7:38 am, Martin Edwards wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
1506 wrote:
Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.

Rubbish. Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.

I suspect he means that you have to mix with oiks, and people of
excessive skin pigmentation.

Is it an obsession with some people that they must accuse or imply
racism in someone no matter what the comment? Is there some quota that
has to be fullfilled by all paid up members of the right-on losers
club?

B2003

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On May 22, 11:13 am, Boltar wrote:
Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.

Most germans high up in the finance sector will speak english as a
necessity.

Yes, but if you're a Yank expat living in Germany for two years you
might occasionally want to chat to people who aren't bankers. Even if
it's just your cleaner and the people in the local shop...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On Wed, 21 May 2008, 1506 wrote:

On May 21, 3:04*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
1506 wrote:

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.

Rubbish. *Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.

At speeds, and comfort levels, that would be entirely unacceptable in
Atlanta, Berlin, New York, or Paris.

I've been to New York. The subway there is no better when it's crowded.

You need to get out more.

You need to shut up more.

tom

--
Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. -- Mark Twain

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On 21 May, 19:11, 1506 wrote:
On May 21, 10:19*am, The Real Doctor
wrote:

On 21 May, 17:05, 1506 wrote:

On May 21, 7:55 am, The Real Doctor wrote:
Nope. People with a financial interest in having it built have
proposed a very modest benefits to cost ration. Even then, we'd do
rather better, as I recall, sticking the money in a building society
account.
One wonders if you will still think this is true when Europe's
fianancial center has moved to Frankfurt?

Ridiculous scaremongering. If Europe's financial centre moves to
Frankfurt, it won't be because the commute in from Maidenhead hasn't
been reduced by ten minutes.

Ian

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

Many US companies favor London as a European base of operations.

For several years now US companies have been under the thumb of a
nasty piece of Legislation called Sarbanes Oxley. *One partial
solution to this is to de-list on the US stock exchanges and list on
an oversea exchange. *London has until now been the exchange of
choice.

Another method of reducing the impact of state and federal legislation
is the creation of upstream, offshore holding companies. *Again
England & Wales is the obvious choice. *Although Dubai seems to be
competing well for offshore incorporation and banking.

Against these advantages US CEOs and CFOs have to consider the
following:

London's expensive second rate hotels.

Dumb UK airport rules. *One can deplane with two pieces of hand
luggage, but enplane with only one.


If poor airports are capable of wrecking an economy then the US is
screwed. In my experience any foreigner is made to feel entirely
unwelcome and treated with intense suspicion as you enter the country,
thanks to those nice chaps at the Department of Homeland Security. I
don't think it's dawned on the US government how much that's going to
put people off studying or working in the states, which over the
medium term is going to do some pretty nasty things to its economy

Jonn

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On 22 May, 12:19, Michael Hoffman wrote:
If poor airports are capable of wrecking an economy then the US is
screwed.

U.S. airports are fine. On the whole, far easier than the ones in the
London area, and far more amenable to the needs of business travelers.
They are operated by public authorities or by airlines to encourage
travel rather than to shortsightedly maximize profit as BAA tries to do.

Sorry, have you ever been to the US? That may be true for places such
as Phoenix or Detroit, which are desperately trying to persuade
businesses to relocate there (indeed, DTW is very nice). But for the
places people have to go - New York, Chicago, Washington DC and Los
Angeles, it's complete and utter nonsense.

I
don't think it's dawned on the US government how much that's going to
put people off studying or working in the states, which over the
medium term is going to do some pretty nasty things to its economy

Frankly, I don't think they care.

I suspect you're right, but that's out of arrogance more than it is
out of not *needing* to care.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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John B wrote:
On 22 May, 12:19, Michael Hoffman wrote:

I didn't actually write this bit:

If poor airports are capable of wrecking an economy then the US is
screwed.

U.S. airports are fine. On the whole, far easier than the ones in the
London area, and far more amenable to the needs of business travelers.
They are operated by public authorities or by airlines to encourage
travel rather than to shortsightedly maximize profit as BAA tries to do.

Sorry, have you ever been to the US?

I lived there for 23 years.

But for the
places people have to go - New York, Chicago, Washington DC and Los
Angeles, it's complete and utter nonsense.

I've flown through the largest international airports in all four of
those airports within the last four years. In fact, I think I've flown
through three of them within the last year. I was even in New York two
weeks ago. There, I reflected on how pleasant American Airlines's new
terminal was, how short the queues for check-in and security were, and
how seamless the transition from their old terminal was, especially when
compared to BA's recent T5 fiasco.

I'd much prefer a U.S. domestic flight to a intra-European flight, any
day. If, for no other reason, than the greater cabin baggage allowance,
which makes it much easier to do a lot of traveling.

I
don't think it's dawned on the US government how much that's going to
put people off studying or working in the states, which over the
medium term is going to do some pretty nasty things to its economy
Frankly, I don't think they care.

I suspect you're right, but that's out of arrogance more than it is
out of not *needing* to care.

I didn't say it was a good thing...
--
Michael Hoffman

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On 22 May, 11:34, John B wrote:
On May 22, 11:13 am, Boltar wrote:

Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.

Most germans high up in the finance sector will speak english as a
necessity.

Yes, but if you're a Yank expat living in Germany for two years you
might occasionally want to chat to people who aren't bankers.

Sounds most implausible, based on most of the Americans I've met in
Germany.

Ian

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On 22 May, 16:07, Michael Hoffman wrote:
John B wrote:
On 22 May, 12:19, Michael Hoffman wrote:

I didn't actually write this bit:

If poor airports are capable of wrecking an economy then the US is
screwed.

Hence the extra attribution marks, and the fact that I only responded
to the bits that you wrote. I find endless tirads of "x wrote, y
wrote" unedifying; YMMV.

U.S. airports are fine. On the whole, far easier than the ones in the
London area, and far more amenable to the needs of business travelers.
They are operated by public authorities or by airlines to encourage
travel rather than to shortsightedly maximize profit as BAA tries to do.

Sorry, have you ever been to the US?

I lived there for 23 years.

Apologies for cheap sarcasm.

But for the

places people have to go - New York, Chicago, Washington DC and Los
Angeles, it's complete and utter nonsense.

I've flown through the largest international airports in all four of
those airports within the last four years. In fact, I think I've flown
through three of them within the last year. I was even in New York two
weeks ago. There, I reflected on how pleasant American Airlines's new
terminal was, how short the queues for check-in and security were, and
how seamless the transition from their old terminal was, especially when
compared to BA's recent T5 fiasco.

This is a whole world of YMMV. The only US airports I've been to in
the last year are O'Hare, which was typically awful, and Detroit Fort
Wayne, which was very nice indeed. It's possible that the New York
airports have massively improved since I did that trip regularly, but
I'm sceptical. For my money, most European airports are better than
O'Hare, JFK or Newark - and that includes Heathrow except for
transfers between T123 / T4 / T5.

I'd much prefer a U.S. domestic flight to a intra-European flight, any
day. If, for no other reason, than the greater cabin baggage allowance,
which makes it much easier to do a lot of traveling.

Is there a greater cabin baggage allowance on US domestic? I've never
noticed a difference in practice, for full-fare flights at least.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On May 22, 1:56*am, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 21 May, 19:11, 1506 wrote:

Against these advantages US CEOs and CFOs have to consider the
following:

London's expensive second rate hotels.

Dumb UK airport rules. *One can deplane with two pieces of hand
luggage, but enplane with only one.

The almost complete inability to move about within London. *Taxis are
very expensive compared with US cities and move at walking pace.
London's subway is overcrowded uncomfortable and unreliable.

Ok, so you think that having marginally easier journeys from a small
number of town near London to a small number of places within London
will suddenly overcome all other perceived problems?

"Waal, Hiram, the airports are crap, the hotels are overpriced, the
city is filthy and taxis are exhorbitant but, hey, it takes ten
minutes less to get from Slough to Tottenham Court Road than it did
before, so London wins."

Err,

Ease of transit between Heathrow, West End, City and Docklands.

Relief for the Central and Bakerloo Lines.

Step change in the capacity of London's transit system giving
increased ability.

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On May 22, 2:40*am, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 22 May, 09:56, The Real Doctor wrote:

Ok, so you think that having marginally easier journeys from a small
number of town near London to a small number of places within London
will suddenly overcome all other perceived problems?

You seem to miss that the purpose of Crossrail has nowt to do with the
outer branches. It's all about the tunnel in the middle relieving
existing tube lines to the City, Docklands, Stratford, etc. The GWML
is simply a convenient way to add Heathrow to the scheme, and they
only go to Maidenhead and Shenfield because it's easier than not doing
so.

U

--http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

Thank you "U". Well said. Yeah, you "get it".

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Boltar wrote:
On May 22, 7:36 am, Martin Edwards wrote:
Ok, but you'll first have to learn German and then Rhineland German.

Whats the difference?


A lot, believe me.

Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.

Most germans high up in the finance sector will speak english as a
necessity.

B2003




--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

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John B wrote:
On May 22, 11:13 am, Boltar wrote:
Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.
Most germans high up in the finance sector will speak english as a
necessity.

Yes, but if you're a Yank expat living in Germany for two years you
might occasionally want to chat to people who aren't bankers. Even if
it's just your cleaner and the people in the local shop...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Na.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

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John B wrote:
On 22 May, 16:07, Michael Hoffman wrote:
John B wrote:
But for the
places people have to go - New York, Chicago, Washington DC and Los
Angeles, it's complete and utter nonsense.
I've flown through the largest international airports in all four of
those airports within the last four years. In fact, I think I've flown
through three of them within the last year. I was even in New York two
weeks ago. There, I reflected on how pleasant American Airlines's new
terminal was, how short the queues for check-in and security were, and
how seamless the transition from their old terminal was, especially when
compared to BA's recent T5 fiasco.

This is a whole world of YMMV.

That's a change from "complete and utter nonsense."

It's possible that the New York
airports have massively improved since I did that trip regularly, but
I'm sceptical.

Despite being owned by the same governmental entity, the terminals are
run by different groups.

For my money, most European airports are better than
O'Hare, JFK or Newark - and that includes Heathrow except for
transfers between T123 / T4 / T5.

Hmm. I assume by "European airports" you mean the ones that have
transatlantic flights. Maybe. I wouldn't include Heathrow.

I'd much prefer a U.S. domestic flight to a intra-European flight, any
day. If, for no other reason, than the greater cabin baggage allowance,
which makes it much easier to do a lot of traveling.

Is there a greater cabin baggage allowance on US domestic? I've never
noticed a difference in practice, for full-fare flights at least.

Well, chiefly I find that they are less strict about excluding bags that
are slightly larger than the limit. Until earlier this year, you could
not take an additional "personal item" in the UK. I'm not sure if you
can yet at all airports.
--
Michael Hoffman

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Boltar wrote:
On May 22, 7:38 am, Martin Edwards wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
1506 wrote:
Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.
Rubbish. Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.
I suspect he means that you have to mix with oiks, and people of
excessive skin pigmentation.

Is it an obsession with some people that they must accuse or imply
racism in someone no matter what the comment? Is there some quota that
has to be fullfilled by all paid up members of the right-on losers
club?

B2003

F!"£$% if I know: I'll check with the membership secretary. No, wait,
he's in hospital.

--
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has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

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John B wrote:
On May 22, 11:13 am, Boltar wrote:
Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.
Most germans high up in the finance sector will speak english as a
necessity.

Yes, but if you're a Yank expat living in Germany for two years you
might occasionally want to chat to people who aren't bankers. Even if
it's just your cleaner and the people in the local shop...

But will they not speak Polish, like their equivalents in London?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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On May 22, 3:45*am, wrote:
On 21 May, 19:11, 1506 wrote:





On May 21, 10:19*am, The Real Doctor
wrote:

On 21 May, 17:05, 1506 wrote:

On May 21, 7:55 am, The Real Doctor wrote:
Nope. People with a financial interest in having it built have
proposed a very modest benefits to cost ration. Even then, we'd do
rather better, as I recall, sticking the money in a building society
account.
One wonders if you will still think this is true when Europe's
fianancial center has moved to Frankfurt?

Ridiculous scaremongering. If Europe's financial centre moves to
Frankfurt, it won't be because the commute in from Maidenhead hasn't
been reduced by ten minutes.

Ian

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

Many US companies favor London as a European base of operations.

For several years now US companies have been under the thumb of a
nasty piece of Legislation called Sarbanes Oxley. *One partial
solution to this is to de-list on the US stock exchanges and list on
an oversea exchange. *London has until now been the exchange of
choice.

Another method of reducing the impact of state and federal legislation
is the creation of upstream, offshore holding companies. *Again
England & Wales is the obvious choice. *Although Dubai seems to be
competing well for offshore incorporation and banking.

Against these advantages US CEOs and CFOs have to consider the
following:

London's expensive second rate hotels.

Dumb UK airport rules. *One can deplane with two pieces of hand
luggage, but enplane with only one.

If poor airports are capable of wrecking an economy then the US is
screwed. In my experience any foreigner is made to feel entirely
unwelcome and treated with intense suspicion as you enter the country,
thanks to those nice chaps at the Department of Homeland Security. *I
don't think it's dawned on the US government how much that's going to
put people off studying or working in the states, which over the
medium term is going to do some pretty nasty things to its economy

You are confusing airports and their employees, with US federal
government functionaries. At some airports, some USCIS enforcers can
be brusque. These people are outwith the control of the airport.

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On May 22, 3:40*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2008, 1506 wrote:
On May 21, 3:04*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
1506 wrote:

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.
...
The almost complete inability to move about within London.

Rubbish. *Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.

At speeds, and comfort levels, that would be entirely unacceptable in
Atlanta, Berlin, New York, or Paris.

I've been to New York. The subway there is no better when it's crowded.

Point taken.

You need to get out more.

You need to shut up more.

Manners.

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On May 22, 7:33 pm, 1506 wrote:
If poor airports are capable of wrecking an economy then the US is
screwed. In my experience any foreigner is made to feel entirely
unwelcome and treated with intense suspicion as you enter the country,
thanks to those nice chaps at the Department of Homeland Security. I
don't think it's dawned on the US government how much that's going to
put people off studying or working in the states, which over the
medium term is going to do some pretty nasty things to its economy

You are confusing airports and their employees, with US federal
government functionaries. At some airports, some USCIS enforcers can
be brusque. These people are outwith the control of the airport.

If every Underground train contained a violent drunk who stole your
wallet, then even if said violent drunk wasn't employed by London
Underground and London Underground had no control over the violent
drunks, it would be fair to say that they made journeys on London
Underground substantially less pleasant than journeys on the New York
Subway or Paris Metro.

The same applies for security screeners and immigration personnel at
US airports.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On May 22, 12:08*pm, John B wrote:
On May 22, 7:33 pm, 1506 wrote:

If poor airports are capable of wrecking an economy then the US is
screwed. In my experience any foreigner is made to feel entirely
unwelcome and treated with intense suspicion as you enter the country,
thanks to those nice chaps at the Department of Homeland Security. *I
don't think it's dawned on the US government how much that's going to
put people off studying or working in the states, which over the
medium term is going to do some pretty nasty things to its economy

You are confusing airports and their employees, with US federal
government functionaries. *At some airports, some USCIS enforcers can
be brusque. *These people are outwith the control of the airport.

If every Underground train contained a violent drunk who stole your
wallet, then even if said violent drunk wasn't employed by London
Underground and London Underground had no control over the violent
drunks, it would be fair to say that they made journeys on London
Underground substantially less pleasant than journeys on the New York
Subway or Paris Metro.

The same applies for security screeners and immigration personnel at
US airports.

You argued this very clearly. I cannot disagree with your point.

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On Thu, 22 May 2008, 1506 wrote:

On May 22, 3:40*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2008, 1506 wrote:
On May 21, 3:04*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
1506 wrote:

Allow me to appraise you of some facts.

The almost complete inability to move about within London.

Rubbish. *Over 1 billion passenger journeys are made on London Underground
every year, and nearly twice that number on the buses.

At speeds, and comfort levels, that would be entirely unacceptable in
Atlanta, Berlin, New York, or Paris.

I've been to New York. The subway there is no better when it's crowded.

Point taken.

You need to get out more.

You need to shut up more.

Manners.

Yes, sorry.

tom

--
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On Thu, 22 May 2008 18:10:22 +0100, Arthur Figgis wrote in
, seen in uk.railway:
John B wrote:
On May 22, 11:13 am, Boltar wrote:

Though most ex-gymnasium scholars speak English, they are in a minority.
Most germans high up in the finance sector will speak english as a
necessity.

Yes, but if you're a Yank expat living in Germany for two years you
might occasionally want to chat to people who aren't bankers. Even if
it's just your cleaner and the people in the local shop...

But will they not speak Polish, like their equivalents in London?

Frankfurt? Probably Ukrainian or Russian (depending whether they're
Wessie-Ukrainian or Ossie-Ukrainian) rather than Polish, IMLX.

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On May 23, 1:27 am, Ross wrote:
Frankfurt? Probably Ukrainian or Russian (depending whether they're
Wessie-Ukrainian or Ossie-Ukrainian) rather than Polish, IMLX.

A lot of east ukrainians - especially from cities like Donetsk -
prefer to be called Russian :)

B2003