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Nice oyster scam
If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that
doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route - don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer stations. B2003 |
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On Jun 14, 5:43*pm, wrote:
If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route - don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer stations. B2003 Wouldn't that be eight squids rather than four? |
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On Jun 14, 6:21 pm, MIG wrote:
On Jun 14, 5:43 pm, wrote: If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route - don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer stations. B2003 Wouldn't that be eight squids rather than four? Nope , it only deducts a single journey. Presumably thats the penalty fare if you realise you've forgotten something on your way to work or wherever and have to return home so touch in and out at the same station. B2003 |
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:16:20 +0100, Dave Newt wrote:
If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route - don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer stations. B2003 Wouldn't that be eight squids rather than four? Nope , it only deducts a single journey. Presumably thats the penalty fare if you realise you've forgotten something on your way to work or wherever and have to return home so touch in and out at the same station. Isn't anything longer than two hours assumed to be two separate journeys? According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station a - Within 15 minutes: no charge - Over 15 minutes apart: £8 I've never tried it, though. |
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asdf wrote:
According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station a - Within 15 minutes: no charge - Over 15 minutes apart: ?8 I've never tried it, though. I have a couple of years ago (tried to catch a coach, went halfway, lack of connecting trains meant I didn't have enough time to get to the coach stop, came back). The gates won't let you out of the station - you have to go to the ticket office to get them to resolve it. I don't know what happens if you do this at an ungated station. Theo |
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On Jun 14, 11:37 pm, asdf wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:16:20 +0100, Dave Newt wrote: If you're travelling from an LU station to an NR or DLR station that doesn't have gates and you're also travelling back the same route - don't bother touching in or out at your destination. Just touch out at your home station when you get back and you'll be charged the 4 quid maximum single fare - less than for a return journey from most outer stations. B2003 Wouldn't that be eight squids rather than four? Nope , it only deducts a single journey. Presumably thats the penalty fare if you realise you've forgotten something on your way to work or wherever and have to return home so touch in and out at the same station. Isn't anything longer than two hours assumed to be two separate journeys? According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station a - Within 15 minutes: no charge - Over 15 minutes apart: £8 I've never tried it, though. Well , it isn't 8 quid any more. Though knowing the journalistic credibility of that rag it probably never was. B2003 |
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asdf wrote:
According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station a - Within 15 minutes: no charge - Over 15 minutes apart: £8 I've never tried it, though. I have: the charge is £1.50. I was amongst those evacuated from Kings Cross on the 'booze cruise' night before the alcohol ban came in, so entered and left the same station after about 20 minutes without being able to catch a train. I suspect TfL took a tidy sum that night. Had I not tapped out (all gates were open and staff directed passengers through the pushchair/wheelchair gates), no doubt it would've been £4 instead. |
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In message , at 04:23:31 on
Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Thunderbug remarked: I was amongst those evacuated from Kings Cross on the 'booze cruise' night before the alcohol ban came in, so entered and left the same station after about 20 minutes without being able to catch a train. I suspect TfL took a tidy sum that night. Had I not tapped out (all gates were open and staff directed passengers through the pushchair/wheelchair gates), no doubt it would've been £4 instead. The Oyster system should have a means to do bulk refunds if the circumstances of such an incident is entered in. It would be an ultimate insult to be stuck on a tube train for several hours, then charged a hefty fee when you were eventually liberated. -- Roland Perry |
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Thunderbug typed
asdf wrote: According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station a - Within 15 minutes: no charge - Over 15 minutes apart: £8 I've never tried it, though. I have: the charge is £1.50. I was amongst those evacuated from Kings Cross on the 'booze cruise' night before the alcohol ban came in, so entered and left the same station after about 20 minutes without being able to catch a train. I suspect TfL took a tidy sum that night. Had I not tapped out (all gates were open and staff directed passengers through the pushchair/wheelchair gates), no doubt it would've been £4 instead. Journey History records 4 minutes (much less than 15) for my partner's entry to Paddington and he still paid £1.50. Not really worth phoning the helpline though. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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In message of Tue, 17 Jun 2008
11:37:03 in uk.transport.london, Helen Deborah Vecht writes Thunderbug typed asdf wrote: According to a London Lite article I posted about here around 6 months ago, the charges for touching in then out at the same station a - Within 15 minutes: no charge - Over 15 minutes apart: £8 I've never tried it, though. I have: the charge is £1.50. I was amongst those evacuated from Kings Cross on the 'booze cruise' night before the alcohol ban came in, so entered and left the same station after about 20 minutes without being able to catch a train. I suspect TfL took a tidy sum that night. Had I not tapped out (all gates were open and staff directed passengers through the pushchair/wheelchair gates), no doubt it would've been £4 instead. Journey History records 4 minutes (much less than 15) for my partner's entry to Paddington and he still paid £1.50. Not really worth phoning the helpline though. I believe the logic is: up to 15 minutes - an in-zone fare; more than 15 - the charges for an unfinished journey and an unstarted journey. I am unsure about the boundary condition. I have not got very far trying to persuade TfL that this behaviour needs to be documented. -- Walter Briscoe |
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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
Journey History records 4 minutes (much less than 15) for my partner's entry to Paddington and he still paid £1.50. Not really worth phoning the helpline though. I went to the ticket office window at a tube station and asked them to remove it... agree that small charges are not worth calling the helpline to reclaim, but I guess it isn't an accident that the loophole remains open. |
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On Jun 17, 1:11 pm, Thunderbug wrote:
to reclaim, but I guess it isn't an accident that the loophole remains open. You bet it isn't. Anyway the whole Oyster system is just a scam to screw as much money out of people as possible with the debatable sweetener of slightly faster entry and exit from stations. Given the current levels of service on certain lines at the moment (circle, district, victoria) LU should be paying the passengers to travel on its 3rd world system. B2003 |
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On Jun 19, 8:26*am, James Farrar wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:06:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 17, 1:11 pm, Thunderbug wrote: to reclaim, but I guess it isn't an accident that the loophole remains open. You bet it isn't. Anyway the whole Oyster system is just a scam to screw as much money out of people as possible Ah, Boltar's back. There is a point in there, but it's not that the Oyster system is a scam. The Oyster system is a way of getting people to pay without being conscious of each transaction, which inevitably increases revenue (not to mention the interest earned when people store credit in advance). The scam is the system of penalty fares used to coerce people into using Pay As You Go, even if the opportunity is not available to them. Oh sorry, I forgot that it's actually a system for making life more lovely and convenient for TfL users. I take it all back. |
Nice oyster scam now meets hole in the dijk
http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,...331761b,00.htm quote Wednesday 18 June 2008, 5:03 PM Dutch researchers crack London's Oyster card Posted by David Meyer Now they've really gone and done it. At the start of the year, some Dutch researchers managed to crack the Netherlands' travelcard, the OV- chipkaart. Now, this card uses the same technology - NXP's Mifare - as Transport for London's Oyster card. When security experts said the Dutch crack meant the Oyster system should be upgraded or replaced, TfL told us there were enough additional layers of security to make the Dutch case irrelevant to London. No longer. Wouter Teepe and Bart Jacobs, from Radboud University, today told the Dutch parliament that they'd cracked and cloned London's Oyster card. They were able to not only take free rides on the Underground, but even execute a denial-of-service attack on the gates. Check out a Google translation here of an article, by Webwereld's Brenno de Winter, on the subject. We're awaiting comment from TfL, and are also in touch with one of the researchers. So, expect more on this tomorrow... I get a feeling this story will roll on and on. unquote |
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Anyway the whole Oyster system is just a scam to screw as much money
out of people as possible with the debatable sweetener of slightly faster I realised breaks of journeys get charged for but on the rail system using paper tickets it's acceptable to break journeys without extra charge (and why not?). Cockfosters to Heathrow is £2 but go out and come back in at Covent Garden and it's £4. Sure it's their ride and if you want to use it you have to pay what they ask - but the cost of carrying you on both journeys is the same (except for a bit of gate-wear as you exit and re-enter!). Shame the cost never relates to what you pay :( Cheers, Dave |
Nice oyster scam now meets hole in the dijk
On Jun 19, 8:57 am, Mwmbwls wrote:
No longer. Wouter Teepe and Bart Jacobs, from Radboud University, today told the Dutch parliament that they'd cracked and cloned London's Oyster card. They were able to not only take free rides on the Underground, but even execute a denial-of-service attack on the gates. Check out a Google translation here of an article, by Webwereld's Brenno de Winter, on the subject. DOS attack on the gates? Hmm , there must be some dodgy software in the gates because the gate hardware should easily be able to keep up with any DOS the card hardware could attempt. Still, if it is cracked I won't be shedding any tears for LUL or TfL. Serves them bloody right. B2003 |
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